Deception in the church
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Secularism seems to trump our Christian calling in some universities that claim they are following Christ. We have lost our true foundation for education--Jesus and The Bible.
Without that foundation, we can so easily get swept away into the prevailing culture of Babylon that is rampant around the world, especially prosperous countries.
If our education (and lives on the whole) are not focused on our relationship with Jesus Christ, it will all ultimately be vanity as Paul highlights to Timothy above in the verses you cited.
Without that foundation, we can so easily get swept away into the prevailing culture of Babylon that is rampant around the world, especially prosperous countries.
If our education (and lives on the whole) are not focused on our relationship with Jesus Christ, it will all ultimately be vanity as Paul highlights to Timothy above in the verses you cited.
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It's interesting that you mentioned sorceries (pharmakeia).
In Revelation 9:21, we read - and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts. The Greek word for "sorceries" is - pharmakeía Strong's #5331 (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson).
In Revelation 9:21, we read - and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts. The Greek word for "sorceries" is - pharmakeía Strong's #5331 (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson).
I understand the thinking behind the requirement as one who wants surgery feels more at ease knowing the surgeon has had the education and training to perform the task.
In the church we want the teacher to know the truth but the modern church has to remember 1. we are empowered, gifted, called, and equipped the Spirit. 2. This isn't brain surgery to read the Bible and apply the truth.
I understand that hermeneutics, ancient culture, and sometimes interlinear study can protect some interpretation from error but by majority a good thorough reading has been enough to get the message of salvation across to millions of people.
I wonder how many people who are gifted that the church looks over just because they are a farmer, mechanic, poor, etc and do not hold a degree?
In the church we want the teacher to know the truth but the modern church has to remember 1. we are empowered, gifted, called, and equipped the Spirit. 2. This isn't brain surgery to read the Bible and apply the truth.
I understand that hermeneutics, ancient culture, and sometimes interlinear study can protect some interpretation from error but by majority a good thorough reading has been enough to get the message of salvation across to millions of people.
I wonder how many people who are gifted that the church looks over just because they are a farmer, mechanic, poor, etc and do not hold a degree?
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I agree! The bible gives an antidote to deception: Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you." (Matthew 24:4).
Acts 17:11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
We are to watch out, be careful and also examine the scriptures every day to see if what people are saying allegedly in God's name is true. God Bless You
Acts 17:11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
We are to watch out, be careful and also examine the scriptures every day to see if what people are saying allegedly in God's name is true. God Bless You
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I agree! The bible gives an antidote to deception: Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you." (Matthew 24:4).
Acts 17:11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
We are to watch out, be careful and also examine the scriptures every day to see if what people are saying allegedly in God's name is true. God Bless You
Acts 17:11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
We are to watch out, be careful and also examine the scriptures every day to see if what people are saying allegedly in God's name is true. God Bless You
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I studied this subject as a new believer in HS. The best work on the subject was the following audio book. I still have the hard copy. This is something that you might find informative. The author died, but the channel has his sermons and books available for free.
If you like the book, you'll want to follow up with his more recent books. The author is Dave Hunt. He was a non-denominational evangelical.
Seduction of Christianity
If you like the book, you'll want to follow up with his more recent books. The author is Dave Hunt. He was a non-denominational evangelical.
Seduction of Christianity
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I agree! The bible gives an antidote to deception: Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you." (Matthew 24:4).
Acts 17:11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
We are to watch out, be careful and also examine the scriptures every day to see if what people are saying allegedly in God's name is true. God Bless You
Acts 17:11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
We are to watch out, be careful and also examine the scriptures every day to see if what people are saying allegedly in God's name is true. God Bless You
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The problem isn't raising kids. The problem comes in when you allow others to raise your kids.
Kids can be protected from most things until they are appropriate. It just takes a concerted effort on the parents part. But if parents are going to send their kids everyday to learn from heathens, they shouldn't be surprised by what their children learn.
Kids can be protected from most things until they are appropriate. It just takes a concerted effort on the parents part. But if parents are going to send their kids everyday to learn from heathens, they shouldn't be surprised by what their children learn.
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You're absolutely right. People get involved with these New Age groups because they love how the music makes them feel. Bill Johnson of Bethel once said the music can open people up to teaching they wouldn't normally accept otherwise. The quote has been scrubbed from Bethel Music's website but I located it with Wayback Machine and it was indeed there at one point.
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Problem is who has the Truth? Christianity is the most divided religion on earth. The only thing the reformation big shots agreed on was their hate toward Rome - they disagreed on everything else.
The Lutheran's, the Anglican's, the Calvinist, and the Anabaptist all went their own ways.
Whose truth do you put in front of them? John MacArthur's? Here's a guy who says that IF you believe in anything BUT a 6-day creation - you are not a Christian! He also teaches that at the end of the Millennium, God destroys the entire universe! What a counter-productive God!
It doesn't take a false prophet or new-ager to destroy Christianity - Christians are their own worst enemy!
The Lutheran's, the Anglican's, the Calvinist, and the Anabaptist all went their own ways.
Whose truth do you put in front of them? John MacArthur's? Here's a guy who says that IF you believe in anything BUT a 6-day creation - you are not a Christian! He also teaches that at the end of the Millennium, God destroys the entire universe! What a counter-productive God!
It doesn't take a false prophet or new-ager to destroy Christianity - Christians are their own worst enemy!
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So tell me - who has the truth?
Is it the Church of Christ - .3 miles away? Is it the Congregational Church - .7 miles away? Is it Faith Tabernacle - 1 mile away? Is it centerPoint - 2 miles away? Is it Trinity Baptist Church - 2.1 miles away? Is it the Kingdom Hall - 1.4 miles away? Is it the SDA church - 2.2 miles away? Is it the Christian science Church 1.1 miles away? Is it the methodist Church - 2.2 miles away? is it the Presbyterian church - 1.4 miles away? Is it the episcopal church - 3.5 miles away? Is it the Unitarian Universalist - 3 miles away? is it the Mormon Church - right across the street from the Unitarian church?
Tell me - who has the truth?
Is it the Church of Christ - .3 miles away? Is it the Congregational Church - .7 miles away? Is it Faith Tabernacle - 1 mile away? Is it centerPoint - 2 miles away? Is it Trinity Baptist Church - 2.1 miles away? Is it the Kingdom Hall - 1.4 miles away? Is it the SDA church - 2.2 miles away? Is it the Christian science Church 1.1 miles away? Is it the methodist Church - 2.2 miles away? is it the Presbyterian church - 1.4 miles away? Is it the episcopal church - 3.5 miles away? Is it the Unitarian Universalist - 3 miles away? is it the Mormon Church - right across the street from the Unitarian church?
Tell me - who has the truth?