Technological Signs relating to Christ’s Coming are being fulfilled.

if someone says they were fulfilled they offer proof of their fulfillment.

So...is the book of Revelation written in chronological order?

Speaking to your "fulfillment" point, preterists have to likewise assume that the "succession of worldly kingdoms" so noted in Daniel and elsewhere have been completely fulfilled and consequently the flow has been terminated. Concomitantly, Satan is no longer puppeteering the nations today.

This of course......is utterly absurd on its face

Concomitantly, Satan is no longer puppeteering the nations today.

It's flashback, leaving suspense, I thought it was.

Speaking to your "fulfillment" point, preterists have to likewise assume that the "succession of worldly kingdoms" so noted in Daniel and elsewhere have been completely fulfilled and consequently the flow has been terminated. Concomitantly, Satan is no longer puppeteering the nations today.

This of course......is utterly absurd on its face

Speaking to your "fulfillment" point, preterists have to likewise assume that the "succession of worldly kingdoms" so noted in Daniel and elsewhere have been completely fulfilled and consequently the flow has been terminated. Concomitantly, Satan is no longer puppeteering the nations today.

This of course......is utterly absurd on its face

Could it be a look at the same events from a number of different perspectives?

https://barrysetterfield.org/Signs/Signs.html

"First: Joel 2:30-31 states, "And I will show wonders in the heavens, and in the earth blood and fire and pillars of smoke. And the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the great and terrible Day of the Lord comes.” The great & terrible Day of the Lord is also known as the “Great Tribulation” in the New Testament. This is a period of 7 years just prior Christ’s Millennial reign.

Pillars of smoke? The Hebrew word translated "pillars" is "timmorah." It is used 21 times in the Old Testament. Only twice is the word translated as "pillars." The other 19 times it is translated as "palm tree." So there is to be "blood and fire and palm-trees of smoke." That is a very accurate picturing of the hydrogen bomb. The atomic bomb (on the right, below) is referred to as a mushroom cloud, not a pillar. But look at the hydrogen bomb, on the left below."



Nahum 2:3-4 reads:“Chariots of flashing steel will rage in the streets. They will jostle one against another in the broad roads; they will run like the lightning; they will move with blazing torches… In the day of His preparation to Come.”

How else could cars and trucks have been described at that time?


In the middle of describing the Lord’s Return, the prophet Isaiah (60:8) stops and asks: “Who are these that fly like a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?”

Fourth: Prophecies in Amos 9:2 and Obadiah 4 may imply space-craft just prior to the Tribulation.

Amos 9:2 -- "Though you climb up to the heavens, from there I will bring you down … says the Lord God, who touches the earth and it melts (in the Tribulation)."

Obadiah 4 -- "Though you exalt yourself and … set your nest among the stars, from there I will bring you down (in the Tribulation), says the LORD."

Speaking to your "fulfillment" point, preterists have to likewise assume that the "succession of worldly kingdoms" so noted in Daniel and elsewhere have been completely fulfilled and consequently the flow has been terminated. Concomitantly, Satan is no longer puppeteering the nations today.

This of course......is utterly absurd on its face

Eschaton...If it was crystal clear, we would all believe the same thing.

The way I think about it is about the whole Bible should from God's point of view, Genesis or Revelation, and I started reading Genesis thinking there was nothing in it that was relevant to what happened later, but when I started deeply thinking about it from God's point of view, I realized it was all about the starts of the Genesis.

So from the very beginning you can't say that this is a book written in human chronological order.

All I can tell you is that the whole Bible is God's perspective.

In the 20+ I was in the Churches of Christ(Amill./Preterite) and ask the elders,deacons,preachers in the 4 different Churches I attended about the details of these fulfillment's I never really got an answer. In those days we would quote bits and pieces of the writings of Josephus and say to others that Josephus writings were the proofs of what we said. After asking multiple questions about his writings it occurred to me that most were quoting these bits and pieces but had never actually read all of his writings themselves. Anyway after reading it for mine own self it occurred to me that his writings were an death blow to full preterism(especially Wars 2) and not poof of it at all which is why I keep posting it over,and over, and is probably why no one will address it who is preterite. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html

Who then would you consider to be the beast,his image and his mark and do you see it as fulfilled by ad70 or that it is yet future?

The link I gave in my post was to the 1st Jewish revolt coinage not the Tyrian shekel...

Have you ever read Wars 2 by Josephus or did you read it from the link I gave in my post? You didn't address any of the questions I ask of the fulfillment's in my post but in general it is common practice that if someone says they were fulfilled they offer proof of their fulfillment. As an example if one is an full preterite and then states something is fulfilled(Revelation 13 in the post your responding to) they might then offer an explanation of when and how it was fulfilled. Anyone who is an preterite may answer I am just curious if anyone will.

I only need the words of Jesus and they are a death blow to futurism.

Do you regard the words in Revelation 13 to be the words of Jesus?

Jesus was speaking directly to his disciples and he was speaking about the temple which they had just departed.

He was actually pointing to the temple.

24 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”


Tell me how does it even make sense for Him to speak about the physical temple they were standing near and then switch to 2000 years in the future.

You do have a valid point.