Technological Signs relating to Christ’s Coming are being fulfilled.

[cv5]

if someone says they were fulfilled they offer proof of their fulfillment.

Speaking to your "fulfillment" point, preterists have to likewise assume that the "succession of worldly kingdoms" so noted in Daniel and elsewhere have been completely fulfilled and consequently the flow has been terminated. Concomitantly, Satan is no longer puppeteering the nations today.

This of course......is utterly absurd on its face

 

[soberxp]

So...is the book of Revelation written in chronological order?

It's flashback, leaving suspense, I thought it was.

 

[Cameron143]

Speaking to your "fulfillment" point, preterists have to likewise assume that the "succession of worldly kingdoms" so noted in Daniel and elsewhere have been completely fulfilled and consequently the flow has been terminated. Concomitantly, Satan is no longer puppeteering the nations today.

This of course......is utterly absurd on its face

Read Daniel 2. Do any of those kingdoms still exist?

 

[HeIsHere]

Concomitantly, Satan is no longer puppeteering the nations today.

This is not always true of those who are not futurists.

 

[Cameron143]

It's flashback, leaving suspense, I thought it was.

Could it be a look at the same events from a number of different perspectives?

 

[soberxp]

Speaking to your "fulfillment" point, preterists have to likewise assume that the "succession of worldly kingdoms" so noted in Daniel and elsewhere have been completely fulfilled and consequently the flow has been terminated. Concomitantly, Satan is no longer puppeteering the nations today.

This of course......is utterly absurd on its face

Don't say a word, I trust your Bible study findings, because I know Jesus already came. You may not believe me, they may not believe you, but none of you will believe me.

 

[Cameron143]

Speaking to your "fulfillment" point, preterists have to likewise assume that the "succession of worldly kingdoms" so noted in Daniel and elsewhere have been completely fulfilled and consequently the flow has been terminated. Concomitantly, Satan is no longer puppeteering the nations today.

This of course......is utterly absurd on its face

God has worked gradually through history. He still is.

 

[soberxp]

Could it be a look at the same events from a number of different perspectives?

The way I think about it is about the whole Bible should from God's point of view, Genesis or Revelation, and I started reading Genesis thinking there was nothing in it that was relevant to what happened later, but when I started deeply thinking about it from God's point of view, I realized it was all about the starts of the Genesis.

So from the very beginning you can't say that this is a book written in human chronological order.

All I can tell you is that the whole Bible is God's perspective.

 

[Evmur]

https://barrysetterfield.org/Signs/Signs.html

"First: Joel 2:30-31 states, "And I will show wonders in the heavens, and in the earth blood and fire and pillars of smoke. And the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the great and terrible Day of the Lord comes.” The great & terrible Day of the Lord is also known as the “Great Tribulation” in the New Testament. This is a period of 7 years just prior Christ’s Millennial reign.

Pillars of smoke? The Hebrew word translated "pillars" is "timmorah." It is used 21 times in the Old Testament. Only twice is the word translated as "pillars." The other 19 times it is translated as "palm tree." So there is to be "blood and fire and palm-trees of smoke." That is a very accurate picturing of the hydrogen bomb. The atomic bomb (on the right, below) is referred to as a mushroom cloud, not a pillar. But look at the hydrogen bomb, on the left below."

Nahum 2:3-4 reads:“Chariots of flashing steel will rage in the streets. They will jostle one against another in the broad roads; they will run like the lightning; they will move with blazing torches… In the day of His preparation to Come.”

How else could cars and trucks have been described at that time?

In the middle of describing the Lord’s Return, the prophet Isaiah (60:8) stops and asks: “Who are these that fly like a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?”

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Fourth: Prophecies in Amos 9:2 and Obadiah 4 may imply space-craft just prior to the Tribulation.

Amos 9:2 -- "Though you climb up to the heavens, from there I will bring you down … says the Lord God, who touches the earth and it melts (in the Tribulation)."

Obadiah 4 -- "Though you exalt yourself and … set your nest among the stars, from there I will bring you down (in the Tribulation), says the LORD."

Television, mass communications

... means of preaching the gospel to every creature.

 

[iamsoandso]

Speaking to your "fulfillment" point, preterists have to likewise assume that the "succession of worldly kingdoms" so noted in Daniel and elsewhere have been completely fulfilled and consequently the flow has been terminated. Concomitantly, Satan is no longer puppeteering the nations today.

This of course......is utterly absurd on its face

In the 20+ I was in the Churches of Christ(Amill./Preterite) and ask the elders,deacons,preachers in the 4 different Churches I attended about the details of these fulfillment's I never really got an answer. In those days we would quote bits and pieces of the writings of Josephus and say to others that Josephus writings were the proofs of what we said. After asking multiple questions about his writings it occurred to me that most were quoting these bits and pieces but had never actually read all of his writings themselves. Anyway after reading it for mine own self it occurred to me that his writings were an death blow to full preterism(especially Wars 2) and not poof of it at all which is why I keep posting it over,and over, and is probably why no one will address it who is preterite. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Eschaton...If it was crystal clear, we would all believe the same thing.

Thanks for the new word - I'm learning.

But it is a Very fact that even the 'milk' Of The Word, faith/works, baptism,
tongues, healings, miracles, etc. cannot be agreed upon; How-Much-More-So

Worse Is The MEAT of eschatology, eh?​

How are we ever going to come to grips (before Heaven?) with These Words?:

1Co 1:9-10 "God is faithful, by Whom ye were called unto​

the fellowship of His SON Jesus Christ our Lord. Now I beseech​

you, brethren, By The Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all​

​

speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you;​

but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in​

the same judgment."​

+

"Endeavouring to keep the unity of the​

Spirit in the bond of Peace." (Eph 4:3)​

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)! ← possible start to (praying for) unity on earth?

+ RICH Blessings

 

[Cameron143]

The way I think about it is about the whole Bible should from God's point of view, Genesis or Revelation, and I started reading Genesis thinking there was nothing in it that was relevant to what happened later, but when I started deeply thinking about it from God's point of view, I realized it was all about the starts of the Genesis.

So from the very beginning you can't say that this is a book written in human chronological order.

All I can tell you is that the whole Bible is God's perspective.

I definitely agree it's all God's perspective. But it is written in a way that to get its full understanding revelation must be given.

 

[HeIsHere]

In the 20+ I was in the Churches of Christ(Amill./Preterite) and ask the elders,deacons,preachers in the 4 different Churches I attended about the details of these fulfillment's I never really got an answer. In those days we would quote bits and pieces of the writings of Josephus and say to others that Josephus writings were the proofs of what we said. After asking multiple questions about his writings it occurred to me that most were quoting these bits and pieces but had never actually read all of his writings themselves. Anyway after reading it for mine own self it occurred to me that his writings were an death blow to full preterism(especially Wars 2) and not poof of it at all which is why I keep posting it over,and over, and is probably why no one will address it who is preterite. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html

I only need the words of Jesus and they are a death blow to futurism.

 

[HeIsHere]

Who then would you consider to be the beast,his image and his mark and do you see it as fulfilled by ad70 or that it is yet future?

The link I gave in my post was to the 1st Jewish revolt coinage not the Tyrian shekel...

Have you ever read Wars 2 by Josephus or did you read it from the link I gave in my post? You didn't address any of the questions I ask of the fulfillment's in my post but in general it is common practice that if someone says they were fulfilled they offer proof of their fulfillment. As an example if one is an full preterite and then states something is fulfilled(Revelation 13 in the post your responding to) they might then offer an explanation of when and how it was fulfilled. Anyone who is an preterite may answer I am just curious if anyone will.

I am not sure what you are asking. I do not need to Josephus to prove scripture.

If you can make the question plain I will try and respond.

 

[Beckie]

Had God written is Word , let's say like a list. we would not have forums today.

Seems it is written in such a fashion to cause study at differing levels . We grow at different rates. Having different views is part of learning. . We should love one another through our views as long as they line up with the 'basic Christian tenants" . My sister is a hard core Pentecostal dispensational futurist. She is loved as a sister along with being loved as a fellow Christian . Should we be the same Christian as we were when first saved or should we have grown?

 

[iamsoandso]

I only need the words of Jesus and they are a death blow to futurism.

Do you regard the words in Revelation 13 to be the words of Jesus?

 

[HeIsHere]

Do you regard the words in Revelation 13 to be the words of Jesus?

Yes

 

[tourist]

Jesus was speaking directly to his disciples and he was speaking about the temple which they had just departed.

He was actually pointing to the temple.

24 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”


Tell me how does it even make sense for Him to speak about the physical temple they were standing near and then switch to 2000 years in the future.

You do have a valid point.

 

[HeIsHere]

You do have a valid point.

 

[tourist]