Justified/Saved by Faith & Faith Alone

Not sure about connecting works and fruit.
A tomato plant can be barren of fruit and still have roots.

You kinda answered my question referring to relatively recent preachers on the scene preaching easy-belivism. Of course, I’m sure they would have said Jesus taught easy-believism, but Jesus said a lot of things and most of it was not “anything close to just believe and you’re done.”

It's not about an unknown level of good works. It's about a bare profession of faith that results in no good works at all. Don't be so dramatic.

So your argument is faith without works (remains barren of works) is alive anyway?

James 2:26 - For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

The comparison of the human spirit and faith converges around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body exhibits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not works; rather, life in faith is the source of works. (Ephesians 2:5-10)

Works-salvationists put the cart before the horse and teach salvation by faith and works. They seem to believe that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith (which would be like saying that a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree). Yet something that is dead cannot produce anything. Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root.

It's not about an unknown level of good works. It's about a bare profession of faith that results in no good works at all. Don't be so dramatic.

So your argument is faith without works (remains barren of works) is alive anyway?

Also it shuts down the false view that salvation can be lost.

Drama is the only way to get noticed around here.

If you are referring to "you will know them by their fruits" fruits here very clearly means the adherents of false teachers.

A bare profession of faith can result in good works, perhaps even more so because they want to prove themselves.

I really think you need to face the fact that James is not comparing "fake believers" with genuine believers but rather believers who are living as their old self rather than their new self.

"Dead" does not mean non-existent,, nor does it mean a little bit alive, or mere, it means dead >>>>> INACTIVE like a dead body,

You have a huge logic hurdle you need to explain to the drama queen here.

He seems to believe a person can believe in christ, yet not have faith in him, and still be saved.

Or so thats what I gather, since he has never answered that question any time I asked. and if you read his posts. that is what it appears to be saying

A body without the spirit is spiritually dead. They are lost, without hope

That body must be born again or made spiritually alive in order for it to be saved

so like the body without the spirit is DEAD, SO TO IS FAITH if it does not have works.

In both cases. the person in question is lost. The logic question is not his my friend, it is yours

Twisting my words.

I will place you on ignore.

Or can we quote your interpretation below.

It is a hard road the Christian road, no joy folks. You must repent of all your sins and only when you have achieved, that holy man status. Then you are really considered to be a Christian and you are then saved. I know you can do it. Unless you overcome your sin you can't be saved.

I never once stated they were spiritually dead the way you mean it.

If you cannot deal with nuance and the meaning of words in context we have nothing to discuss.

Jesus taught the Jews concerning their promised kingdom, the kingdom of heaven coming down to earth. Go to what Paul was given as doctrine for the Gentile body of Christ. No law, no works, justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. We are in him, in Christ. Did Christ accomplish the works of justification?

Paul didn’t teach easy believism either. Paul warned about not entering the kingdom of God, the dangers of walking in the flesh, being a Gentile branch that can be broken off just like the Jewish branches broken off. He spoke these things to Christians. Those things aren’t faith alone doctrines.

The natural branches were broken off for unbelief, and the wild branches boasting against the natural branches risk being broken off also... what could the wild branches possibly even have to boast about?
If their boast is about keeping the law then they are no better than the natural branches who trusted, tried, and failed to keep the law. If their boast is in their salvation over the natural branches cut off, the arrogance shows an unbelief that there is no hope in God that the natural branches might still be saved, if they do not continue in their unbelief (and return to and continue in His kindness).


So, unbelief is manifest in the lack of understanding God's kindness, and continuing in God's kindness is how anyone remains in Him (root).

If you insist that His kindness is withheld from anyone that doesn't keep the law you assert that God is severe, even after seeing that He obliged those that believed that wrongly of Him.

The letter is written to believers, just like the letters James wrote.