Justified/Saved by Faith & Faith Alone
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If your interested, Paul concentrates on 'faith' throughout Romans and Galatians.
Romans 9:30
What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith.
The primary doctrine of Christianity was clearly stated by Paul below.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
If you can read Ephesians two without saying, "but what about this or that", then you understand the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Romans 9:30
What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith.
The primary doctrine of Christianity was clearly stated by Paul below.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
If you can read Ephesians two without saying, "but what about this or that", then you understand the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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The fundamental doctrine of Christianity is this, Christ has reconciled us to God!
Not Jesus plus our works have reconciled us to God, that is heresy.
We can only ever be saved by God's grace through faith, and that gift of salvation does not come from us.
Righteousness is received as a free gift from Jesus. We have no righteousness of our own and righteousness cannot be generated by us.
Even mature Christians are sinners, even mature Christians are battling against the desires of the flesh. No one on earth is righteous nor can they be.
Jesus Christ is the alpha and the omega of all Christian doctrine!
Not Jesus plus our works have reconciled us to God, that is heresy.
We can only ever be saved by God's grace through faith, and that gift of salvation does not come from us.
Righteousness is received as a free gift from Jesus. We have no righteousness of our own and righteousness cannot be generated by us.
Even mature Christians are sinners, even mature Christians are battling against the desires of the flesh. No one on earth is righteous nor can they be.
Jesus Christ is the alpha and the omega of all Christian doctrine!
Good reply.
An extremely important comment.
Not.
Works are the evidence, not the precipitator.
According to James.
James 2:22
You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected.
Anyone want to perfect your faith, then follow a path of Christian works.
An extremely important comment.
Not.
Works are the evidence, not the precipitator.
According to James.
James 2:22
You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected.
Anyone want to perfect your faith, then follow a path of Christian works.
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1st, If you work for it, it isn't a gift.
Rom 4:
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
(MY NOTE: Justification/Righteousness/Salvation/Eternal Life are gifts given via Faith, Not works)
2ndly, No place have I claimed or posted, that a believer shouldn't serve the Lord or that salvation is an entitlement. Post claims its a free gift.
Holy Spirit - A gift given thru faith: Acts 10:44-45, 11:17
Eternal Life - A gift given thru faith: Rom 6:23, Jn 3:36. 5:24, 6:47
Righteousness - A gift given thru faith: Rom 3:24 4:3 & 5, 5:17-18
Grace - A gift given thru faith: Rom 3:24, 5:15, Eph 2:8-9
Justification - A gift given thru faith: Rom 3:28, 4:5, 5:1
After the gifts of grace/righteousness/justification/salvation/eternal life are given by the Lord. All solely based on Faith placed in/on the merits/work of His sin atoning death & resurrection. All/any work done serving the Lord will receive a payment/reward (1 Cor 3:8-15). Even a drink of water given in His name (Matt 10:42) will receive a reward.
Rom 4:
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
(MY NOTE: Justification/Righteousness/Salvation/Eternal Life are gifts given via Faith, Not works)
2ndly, No place have I claimed or posted, that a believer shouldn't serve the Lord or that salvation is an entitlement. Post claims its a free gift.
Holy Spirit - A gift given thru faith: Acts 10:44-45, 11:17
Eternal Life - A gift given thru faith: Rom 6:23, Jn 3:36. 5:24, 6:47
Righteousness - A gift given thru faith: Rom 3:24 4:3 & 5, 5:17-18
Grace - A gift given thru faith: Rom 3:24, 5:15, Eph 2:8-9
Justification - A gift given thru faith: Rom 3:28, 4:5, 5:1
After the gifts of grace/righteousness/justification/salvation/eternal life are given by the Lord. All solely based on Faith placed in/on the merits/work of His sin atoning death & resurrection. All/any work done serving the Lord will receive a payment/reward (1 Cor 3:8-15). Even a drink of water given in His name (Matt 10:42) will receive a reward.
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I think it just highlights what man’s motivation is versus what God’s motivation is.
People think they don’t need to work because they believe the premise for what Jesus did was just to bring us salvation.
The actual premise for what Jesus did is to bring God glory. There’s salvation as well, but it’s not the main purpose, the main purpose is being created for good works so you can serve God with a clear conscience, effectively.
We work for free to give God glory and He saves us because He said He would. Salvation is free, but you aren’t working for salvation. You’re working for God because that’s supposed to be your job.
1 Corinthians 10
31So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
1 John 3
9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
People think they don’t need to work because they believe the premise for what Jesus did was just to bring us salvation.
The actual premise for what Jesus did is to bring God glory. There’s salvation as well, but it’s not the main purpose, the main purpose is being created for good works so you can serve God with a clear conscience, effectively.
We work for free to give God glory and He saves us because He said He would. Salvation is free, but you aren’t working for salvation. You’re working for God because that’s supposed to be your job.
1 Corinthians 10
31So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
1 John 3
9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
James was saying their faith without works is alone. Not never there or lost.
Again.. all the examples..
Abraham.. his act in being prepared to offer up his son Isaac was justified in terms of a right act. It wasn't to do with eternal salvation.
Abraham believed God and was converted before offering up his son Isaac.
Rehab already had the faith to hide the people she did.
Paul says that Abraham was not justified by works.. James says he was.
Contradiction? No. James and Paul were talking about different kinds of faith.
Paul... saving faith. Nothing to do with works.
James ... what people do as acts of service showing the faith they already have. Responding to already have been given salvation.
The Bible doesn't contradict itself. Context shows different subjects.
Last thing..
The way if salvation had not changed from OT to NT. People were converted before the Holy Spirit became administrator of His churches. The disciples were most surely converted souls (aside from Judas)
What had changed is the OT system of service had failed. The offering of sacrifices had failed as a system.
Jesus didn't bring a new way of salvation but undid the chains put on people by the OT system of service.
They thought they were made righteous by their works, but it was never the case. Their pride in themselves was bought to nought.
Again.. all the examples..
Abraham.. his act in being prepared to offer up his son Isaac was justified in terms of a right act. It wasn't to do with eternal salvation.
Abraham believed God and was converted before offering up his son Isaac.
Rehab already had the faith to hide the people she did.
Paul says that Abraham was not justified by works.. James says he was.
Contradiction? No. James and Paul were talking about different kinds of faith.
Paul... saving faith. Nothing to do with works.
James ... what people do as acts of service showing the faith they already have. Responding to already have been given salvation.
The Bible doesn't contradict itself. Context shows different subjects.
Last thing..
The way if salvation had not changed from OT to NT. People were converted before the Holy Spirit became administrator of His churches. The disciples were most surely converted souls (aside from Judas)
What had changed is the OT system of service had failed. The offering of sacrifices had failed as a system.
Jesus didn't bring a new way of salvation but undid the chains put on people by the OT system of service.
They thought they were made righteous by their works, but it was never the case. Their pride in themselves was bought to nought.
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Yes people grow in the Lord hopefully,
That is not my point at all. It is ascribing to scripture something that is not there.
Oyster here has made his point clear, this is what I am arguing is not in scripture.
This is not in scripture. No one should be adding a concept to scripture that is not there.
This is back loading works onto salvation. This position also denies glorification based on works. Pure logic.
Syllogism:
If ``salvation then always ``works
If ``salvation`` and works`` then ``glorification.``
Not ``works``
Therefore, neither ``salvation`` nor `glorification``
