unclean animals? Are we Required to keep food laws under the new covenant?
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[1] It depends on the person in their knowledge.
[2a, circumcision, flesh] Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Spiritual circumcision is still required (Deut. 10:16, 30:6; Jer. 4:4; Rom. 2:29; 1 Cor. 7:19; Gal. 5:6, 6:15; Php. 3:3; Col. 2:11).
[2b, Passover] Yes (in spirit, in truth):
No (in old type, carnal, shadow)
[A. Ignorance] Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
[B. Presumption, full knowledge] Hos_4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
See also (Luk. 12:42-48).
[2a, circumcision, flesh] Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Spiritual circumcision is still required (Deut. 10:16, 30:6; Jer. 4:4; Rom. 2:29; 1 Cor. 7:19; Gal. 5:6, 6:15; Php. 3:3; Col. 2:11).
[2b, Passover] Yes (in spirit, in truth):
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
No (in old type, carnal, shadow)
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
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I would agree with the scriptures and I am not saying women aren't allowed to teach or prophecy. Under the right authority and certain circumstances.
It's more about that her writings are used to interpret the bible and her testimonies are viewed as a continued source of authority and how the SDA's and followers of Ellen White have set her teaching up as infallible.
When I say Ellen White should not teach, it is in reference to Interpreting doctrine of the Church based on her private visions.
Her "prophetic visions" must be subject to the prophets of old and scrutiny of the bible. I am not aware of women prophet in the new testament that prophesied a private interpretation of the scripture in order to lead a whole body of believers.
I think this is dangerous!
They're many of her "so called visions that were revised along the way because it didn't fit their narrative. Trying to save face for the great disappointment.
I'll give you a few fallacies of her teachings and revisions and let the least of these judge.
1. the first "vision"by the Millerites that caused the disappointment. " That Jesus would come back in 1844"which many abandoned after failed prophecy.
2. the revision by Ellen White and others about" Jesus going into the heavenly sanctuary in 1844 to cleanse it"
3" the shut door doctrine" which revised later because they weren't sure how their children would make it into the kingdom.
4 Investigated judgment which teaches limited atonement. During this time which no one knows, the professed believers will come up for review and if you are found worthy then Jesus will plead his blood and blot out your record. Also, the righteous still living in their human state will be without an intercessor. Then to complete the atonement, the sins of the righteous will be transferred to Satan and for all the sins that Satan made them do and he (Satan) will suffer and be thrown in the lake of fire. "Making Satan (" the final sin bearer").
5 "the sabbath is the seal of God and if someone keeps Sunday their receiving the mark of the beast".
So, basically believers who don't keep sabbath are not going to heaven according to Ellen White's teaching.
Anyone can look on EGW.org and study her writings to discern how erroneous and heretical her teachings really are.
In her "visions", she claimed she had an angel (her own personal angel in the form of a little boy) show her and tell her things.
Please don't write back haggling over the scripture that God gives visions. I am well aware that God gives visions.
It's more about that her writings are used to interpret the bible and her testimonies are viewed as a continued source of authority and how the SDA's and followers of Ellen White have set her teaching up as infallible.
When I say Ellen White should not teach, it is in reference to Interpreting doctrine of the Church based on her private visions.
Her "prophetic visions" must be subject to the prophets of old and scrutiny of the bible. I am not aware of women prophet in the new testament that prophesied a private interpretation of the scripture in order to lead a whole body of believers.
I think this is dangerous!
They're many of her "so called visions that were revised along the way because it didn't fit their narrative. Trying to save face for the great disappointment.
I'll give you a few fallacies of her teachings and revisions and let the least of these judge.
1. the first "vision"by the Millerites that caused the disappointment. " That Jesus would come back in 1844"which many abandoned after failed prophecy.
2. the revision by Ellen White and others about" Jesus going into the heavenly sanctuary in 1844 to cleanse it"
3" the shut door doctrine" which revised later because they weren't sure how their children would make it into the kingdom.
4 Investigated judgment which teaches limited atonement. During this time which no one knows, the professed believers will come up for review and if you are found worthy then Jesus will plead his blood and blot out your record. Also, the righteous still living in their human state will be without an intercessor. Then to complete the atonement, the sins of the righteous will be transferred to Satan and for all the sins that Satan made them do and he (Satan) will suffer and be thrown in the lake of fire. "Making Satan (" the final sin bearer").
5 "the sabbath is the seal of God and if someone keeps Sunday their receiving the mark of the beast".
So, basically believers who don't keep sabbath are not going to heaven according to Ellen White's teaching.
Anyone can look on EGW.org and study her writings to discern how erroneous and heretical her teachings really are.
In her "visions", she claimed she had an angel (her own personal angel in the form of a little boy) show her and tell her things.
Please don't write back haggling over the scripture that God gives visions. I am well aware that God gives visions.
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Read this verse again.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Adam never ate of the tree of life.
The tree of life was symbolic of Jesus Christ.
How else is eternal life gained?
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Adam never ate of the tree of life.
The tree of life was symbolic of Jesus Christ.
How else is eternal life gained?
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Read the previous verses I gave. The word "eat" in that sentence is not a one time eating. It is a continual eating, as one does of Christ Jesus, or other things to be sustained in life, moral, physical, mental, etc (see Gen. 3:18,19, etc).
Albert barnes even makes this note on Gen 3:22:
Albert barnes even makes this note on Gen 3:22:
"Hence, it is added, “Lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat and live forever.” This sentence is completed by an act, not a word, as we shall see in the next verse. Measures must be taken to prevent his access to this tree, now that he has incurred the penalty of death.
From this sentence it follows that the tree of life must have had some virtue by which the human frame was to be kept free from the decrepitude of age, or the decay that terminates in death. Its name, the tree of life, accords with this conclusion. Only on such a ground could exclusion from it be made the penalty of disobedience, and the occasion of death. Thus, also may we meet and answer all the difficulties which physiology presents to the immortality of unfallen man. We have it on record that there was an herbal virtue in paradise capable of counteracting the effects of the wear and tear of the animal frame."
The same "tree of life" is found in Revelation 2:7, etc, of which mankind will again be able to eat, continually, from, always having conditional immortality. It is not a one time eating that grants innate immortality.
No, they aren't. Isaiah 8:20. Order of operation. Law (God's word first), then testimony.
All prophets are subject to the previous prophets.
1Co_14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
Please do not misrepresent Seventh-day Adventist faith and practice from this point forward. I do not think you did this on purpose, but simply garnered the idea from an erroneous source.
All prophets are subject to the previous prophets.
1Co_14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
Please do not misrepresent Seventh-day Adventist faith and practice from this point forward. I do not think you did this on purpose, but simply garnered the idea from an erroneous source.
There was no "vision" by the Millerites. It was simple Bible study in the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation, and the timing was eventually correct (adjustments from modern to scriptural time, etc), but the event was misunderstood, even as it was for the earlier apsotles/disciples of Jesus. Sister White's first vision, wasn't until after the Great Disappointment in 1844 (Oct. 23), in December of the same year.
Again, this was not Ellen White's idea. This came about through Bible study, after the Great Disappointment, after a prayer meeting, and God answered Hiram Edson, while walking back with O R L Crosier. The idea gained from that walk, inspired of God, started a Bible study, and the understanding of the Earthly (type) and Heavenly (antitype) sanctuary, as Hebrews and Revelation, etc show.
Jesus was already in the Heavenly Sanctuary since AD 31. There, however, was a transition from the Holy to Most Holy place in AD 1844. This may be shown at your request from scripture.
Jesus was already in the Heavenly Sanctuary since AD 31. There, however, was a transition from the Holy to Most Holy place in AD 1844. This may be shown at your request from scripture.
You, like so many others, have a great misunderstanding of the "shut door" as mentioned by sister White, and others. She refers to Revelation 3:7-8, which deals with the 2 doors/veils of the sanctuary, the first opening into the Holy place (Rev. 4:1), and the second opening into the Most Holy (Rev. 3:7-8).
Some persons (millerites, early adventists) did have a misunderstanding, in that they thought no more could be saved, however, that viewpoint was specifically pointed out by sister White to be wrong.
Some persons (millerites, early adventists) did have a misunderstanding, in that they thought no more could be saved, however, that viewpoint was specifically pointed out by sister White to be wrong.
Again, there are multiple atonements in scripture. See the difference between Lev. 4 and Lev. 16 atonements. There were daily and a yearly atonements.
You may see the scripture in regards the Day of atonement here:
https://archive.org/details/daniel-...adaq-leviticus-16-compared-to-daniel-8_202301
https://archive.org/details/scapegoat-azazel-satan-leviticus-16-nutshell-image_202301
https://archive.org/details/investigative-judgment-antitypical-day-of-atonement-1844_202301
QUESTION: WHY DO SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS TEACH AN "INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT", AND WHERE IS IT FOUND TAUGHT IN SCRIPTURE?
Investigative Judgment – Antitypical Day Of Atonement (AD 1844)
Chronological Order of Time in Daniel 7:
[1.] Babylon (606/5-539/8 BC) (Daniel 7:4)
[2.] Medo-Persia (539/8-331 BC) (Daniel 7:5)
[3.] Greece (331-168 BC) (Daniel 7:6)
[4a.] Rome (Pagan) (168 BC - AD 508) (Daniel 7:7a)
[4b.] Rome (Pagan Divided) (10) (AD 476) (Daniel 7:7b)
[5.] Rome (Papal; Religious Humanism) (AD 508,538-1798) (Daniel 7:8)
[6.] Secular Humanism (Atheistic France, etc) (AD 1793-1797/8) (Daniel 11:40(a); Revelation 11:8,9,11, 13:3(a))
[7.] Apostate Protestantism (USA ,etc.) (AD 1776-Present) (Revelation 13:11-18)
*** Investigative Judgment (AD 1844) (Daniel 7:9-10,13,22(b* “Ancient of Days came”), 8:13-14,26, 12:1; Revelation 9:13-15, 10:6, 14:6-12) (Antitypical Day Of Atonement)
(Judgment of the Dead Professing) (Hebrews 9:27)
(Judgment of the Living Professing) (Revelation 3:10, 17:12)
[8.] Great Babylon (Papacy revived) (Rev. 13:3,12, 17:11)
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Feasts of the LORD in their Type & Antitype & Timing, the 7 Branch Candlestick (Psalms 77:13):
[1.] Passover – [Type; 14th day, 1st Month (Abib/Nisan), Even]; Leviticus 23:4-5; [Antitype; AD 31, 14th day, 1st Month (Abib/Nisan); 6th day of Week, circa 9AM Jesus hung (crucified), 3PM Jesus died] 1 Corinthians 5:7; John 1:29,36
[2.] Unleavened Bread – [Type; 15th – 21st days, 1st Month (Abib/Nisan)] Leviticus 23:6-8; [Antitype; AD 31, 15th day, 1st Month (Abib/Nisan), 7th day of the week, Feast and Weekly (Exodus 20:8-11) Sabbath combine, High Sabbath;; John 19:31; Jesus resting on Sabbath in Tomb, Creation/Redemption combine in the 7th day] 1 Corinthians 5:6-8
[3.] Firstfruits/Wavesheaf – [Type; Morrow after the Sabbath, 1st Month (Abib/Nisan)] Leviticus 23:9-14; [Antitype; AD 31, 16th day of the Month (Abib/Nisan), the first [day] of the week before sunrise, Jesus Resurrected; Joshua 3:1; Mark 1:35, 16:9] 1 Corinthians 1:20,23
[4.] Pentecost/Weeks – [Type; 50th day from Firstfruits/Wavesheaf, 3rd Month (Sivan)] Leviticus 23:15-22; [Antitype; AD 31, 50th day from Firstfruits/Wavesheaf, 3rd Month (Sivan), first [day] of the week, Outpouring of Holy Spirit, Early Rain] Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4-5,8, 2:1-4,16-18,33; Psalms 133:1-3; Revelation 5:6
[5.] Trumpets – [Type; 1st day, 7th Month (Ethanim)]; Leviticus 23:23-25; [Antitype; 1st day, 7th Month (Ethanim), AD 1833/34, 10 day/years before Day of Atonement (October 22, 1844); 5 months from Pentecost (3rd-7th); Great Awakening, Millerite/Advent movement] Revelation 9:5,6,10, 10:1-6
[6.] Day of Atonement – [Type; 10th day, 7th Month (Ethanim)] Leviticus 23:26-32; [Antitype; AD 1844 (end of 2,300, beginning from 457 BC), 10th day (22nd), 7th Month (Ethanim/October), Hour of His Judgment is come] Daniel 7:9-10,13,22(b)* “Ancient of Days came”, 8:13-14,26, 12:1,12; Revelation 9:13-15, 10:6, 14:6-12
[7.] Tabernacles/Booths/Ingathering – [Type; 15th–21st, 22nd days, 7th Month (Ethanim)] Leviticus 16:1-34, 23:33-44; [Antitype; Soon, and Very Soon, with Jesus in Heaven, New Heavens/Earth] Revelation 7:9, 15:2
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Investigative Judgment throughout the Bible (KJB):
OT (Investigation types):
[01.] Genesis 2-3:24 (God investigates the crime of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil; Adam, Eve & Serpent (Devil)); Genesis 2:17, 3:9 (“where”), 3:11 (“Who”, “hast”), 3:24 (witnesses present in judgment)
[02.] Genesis 4:9-12 (God investigates the crime of Cain, for murdering Abel); Genesis 4:9 (“where”); Jude 1:11; Matthew 12:34; Luke 6:45
[03.] Genesis 5:22-24 (God investigates the life of Enoch); Hebrews 11:5 (“had this testimony, that he pleased God”)
[04.] Genesis 6-9 (God investigates the world & Noah); Genesis 6:5,12 (“saw…every imagination”, “looked upon”)
[05.] Genesis 10-11 (God investigates Tower of Babel); Genesis 1:28, 11:5 (“to see”)
[06.] Genesis 17-19; Genesis 18:20-21 (“see … know”)
[07.] Exodus 16; Numbers 15:32-36; 1 Corinthians 10:1-12 (God tests and Investigates Israel about Sabbath and Commandment keeping, as a type for the end times); Exodus 16:28 (“How long”); Numbers 15:34-35 (“what should be done”)
[08.] Leviticus 16 & 23 (Typical Day of Atonement); Exodus 28:15,29-30 (“breast plate of judgment”); Leviticus 23:29
[09.] 1 Kings 3 (Solomon (type of Christ) investigating, sits upon his throne and judges a case between two women (types of churches) over a dead and living child (types of Christ); 1 Kings 3:28 (“judgment”)
[10.] Ezra 2 (Investigation of Priests); Ezra 2:59,61-63; Nehemiah 7:61,63-65
[11.] Job (God on Trial, investigation of Job); Job 1:8 (“Hast thou considered”)
[12.] Ezekiel 8-9 (God investigates two kinds in Jerusalem)
[13.] Daniel 7 (Investigative Judgment by God and Angels); Daniel 7:9-10,13,22(b), 12:1,12 (“found”))
[14.] Zechariah 3 (Typical Day of Atonement); Zechariah 3:1-3 (“clothed”)
[15.] Malachi 3 (God refines, searches); Malachi 3:3,5
NT:
[16.] Gospels (Jesus comes seeking/investigating for fruit, personal investigation of Peter and Disciples); Luke 13:7; Matthew 26:70,72,74; Luke 22:61-62
[17.] Matthew 18; (Investigation of unmerciful debtor) Matthew 18:23 (“take account of”)
[18.] Matthew 22 (The King comes in to see wedding guests); Matthew 22:11 (“to see”)
[19.] Mark 11 (Jesus comes seeking/investigating for fruit); Mark 11:13 (“seeing … afar off”)
[20.] Romans 2:13-16 (speaking of the judgment by the Gospel)
[21.] 2 Corinthians 5:10 (appearing before judgment seat, good and bad)
[22.] Hebrews 9 (Investigating the ‘dead’ in Christ); Hebrews 9:27 (judgment of the dead comes first, before living)
[23.] 1 Peter 4 (giving an account in judgment); 1 Peter 4:5 (“ready to judge”, judgment was not yet then)
[24.] Jude 1:15 (Execution of Judgment already gone before)
[25.] Revelation 3:10, 17:12 (Time (“hour”) of the Investigation of the Living, only professing in Christ Jesus)
[26.] Revelation 3 (Laodicea; ‘Judging of the people'); Revelation 3:14 (“true witness”)
[27.] Revelation 11 (Judgment began after 1,260 years, after AD 1798); Revelation 11:1-2 (“measure”, “worship”)
[28.] Revelation 14 (Investigative Judgment, while Gospel still goes to the world, time of probation and mercy, just before the 7 Last Plagues, a time without Mercy, Wrath); Revelation 14:6-12 (“hour”, “judgment”, “worship”, “Gospel”)
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You may see the scripture in regards the Day of atonement here:
https://archive.org/details/daniel-...adaq-leviticus-16-compared-to-daniel-8_202301
https://archive.org/details/scapegoat-azazel-satan-leviticus-16-nutshell-image_202301
https://archive.org/details/investigative-judgment-antitypical-day-of-atonement-1844_202301
QUESTION: WHY DO SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS TEACH AN "INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT", AND WHERE IS IT FOUND TAUGHT IN SCRIPTURE?
Investigative Judgment – Antitypical Day Of Atonement (AD 1844)
Chronological Order of Time in Daniel 7:
[1.] Babylon (606/5-539/8 BC) (Daniel 7:4)
[2.] Medo-Persia (539/8-331 BC) (Daniel 7:5)
[3.] Greece (331-168 BC) (Daniel 7:6)
[4a.] Rome (Pagan) (168 BC - AD 508) (Daniel 7:7a)
[4b.] Rome (Pagan Divided) (10) (AD 476) (Daniel 7:7b)
[5.] Rome (Papal; Religious Humanism) (AD 508,538-1798) (Daniel 7:8)
[6.] Secular Humanism (Atheistic France, etc) (AD 1793-1797/8) (Daniel 11:40(a); Revelation 11:8,9,11, 13:3(a))
[7.] Apostate Protestantism (USA ,etc.) (AD 1776-Present) (Revelation 13:11-18)
*** Investigative Judgment (AD 1844) (Daniel 7:9-10,13,22(b* “Ancient of Days came”), 8:13-14,26, 12:1; Revelation 9:13-15, 10:6, 14:6-12) (Antitypical Day Of Atonement)
(Judgment of the Dead Professing) (Hebrews 9:27)
(Judgment of the Living Professing) (Revelation 3:10, 17:12)
[8.] Great Babylon (Papacy revived) (Rev. 13:3,12, 17:11)
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Feasts of the LORD in their Type & Antitype & Timing, the 7 Branch Candlestick (Psalms 77:13):
[1.] Passover – [Type; 14th day, 1st Month (Abib/Nisan), Even]; Leviticus 23:4-5; [Antitype; AD 31, 14th day, 1st Month (Abib/Nisan); 6th day of Week, circa 9AM Jesus hung (crucified), 3PM Jesus died] 1 Corinthians 5:7; John 1:29,36
[2.] Unleavened Bread – [Type; 15th – 21st days, 1st Month (Abib/Nisan)] Leviticus 23:6-8; [Antitype; AD 31, 15th day, 1st Month (Abib/Nisan), 7th day of the week, Feast and Weekly (Exodus 20:8-11) Sabbath combine, High Sabbath;; John 19:31; Jesus resting on Sabbath in Tomb, Creation/Redemption combine in the 7th day] 1 Corinthians 5:6-8
[3.] Firstfruits/Wavesheaf – [Type; Morrow after the Sabbath, 1st Month (Abib/Nisan)] Leviticus 23:9-14; [Antitype; AD 31, 16th day of the Month (Abib/Nisan), the first [day] of the week before sunrise, Jesus Resurrected; Joshua 3:1; Mark 1:35, 16:9] 1 Corinthians 1:20,23
[4.] Pentecost/Weeks – [Type; 50th day from Firstfruits/Wavesheaf, 3rd Month (Sivan)] Leviticus 23:15-22; [Antitype; AD 31, 50th day from Firstfruits/Wavesheaf, 3rd Month (Sivan), first [day] of the week, Outpouring of Holy Spirit, Early Rain] Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4-5,8, 2:1-4,16-18,33; Psalms 133:1-3; Revelation 5:6
[5.] Trumpets – [Type; 1st day, 7th Month (Ethanim)]; Leviticus 23:23-25; [Antitype; 1st day, 7th Month (Ethanim), AD 1833/34, 10 day/years before Day of Atonement (October 22, 1844); 5 months from Pentecost (3rd-7th); Great Awakening, Millerite/Advent movement] Revelation 9:5,6,10, 10:1-6
[6.] Day of Atonement – [Type; 10th day, 7th Month (Ethanim)] Leviticus 23:26-32; [Antitype; AD 1844 (end of 2,300, beginning from 457 BC), 10th day (22nd), 7th Month (Ethanim/October), Hour of His Judgment is come] Daniel 7:9-10,13,22(b)* “Ancient of Days came”, 8:13-14,26, 12:1,12; Revelation 9:13-15, 10:6, 14:6-12
[7.] Tabernacles/Booths/Ingathering – [Type; 15th–21st, 22nd days, 7th Month (Ethanim)] Leviticus 16:1-34, 23:33-44; [Antitype; Soon, and Very Soon, with Jesus in Heaven, New Heavens/Earth] Revelation 7:9, 15:2
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Investigative Judgment throughout the Bible (KJB):
OT (Investigation types):
[01.] Genesis 2-3:24 (God investigates the crime of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil; Adam, Eve & Serpent (Devil)); Genesis 2:17, 3:9 (“where”), 3:11 (“Who”, “hast”), 3:24 (witnesses present in judgment)
[02.] Genesis 4:9-12 (God investigates the crime of Cain, for murdering Abel); Genesis 4:9 (“where”); Jude 1:11; Matthew 12:34; Luke 6:45
[03.] Genesis 5:22-24 (God investigates the life of Enoch); Hebrews 11:5 (“had this testimony, that he pleased God”)
[04.] Genesis 6-9 (God investigates the world & Noah); Genesis 6:5,12 (“saw…every imagination”, “looked upon”)
[05.] Genesis 10-11 (God investigates Tower of Babel); Genesis 1:28, 11:5 (“to see”)
[06.] Genesis 17-19; Genesis 18:20-21 (“see … know”)
[07.] Exodus 16; Numbers 15:32-36; 1 Corinthians 10:1-12 (God tests and Investigates Israel about Sabbath and Commandment keeping, as a type for the end times); Exodus 16:28 (“How long”); Numbers 15:34-35 (“what should be done”)
[08.] Leviticus 16 & 23 (Typical Day of Atonement); Exodus 28:15,29-30 (“breast plate of judgment”); Leviticus 23:29
[09.] 1 Kings 3 (Solomon (type of Christ) investigating, sits upon his throne and judges a case between two women (types of churches) over a dead and living child (types of Christ); 1 Kings 3:28 (“judgment”)
[10.] Ezra 2 (Investigation of Priests); Ezra 2:59,61-63; Nehemiah 7:61,63-65
[11.] Job (God on Trial, investigation of Job); Job 1:8 (“Hast thou considered”)
[12.] Ezekiel 8-9 (God investigates two kinds in Jerusalem)
[13.] Daniel 7 (Investigative Judgment by God and Angels); Daniel 7:9-10,13,22(b), 12:1,12 (“found”))
[14.] Zechariah 3 (Typical Day of Atonement); Zechariah 3:1-3 (“clothed”)
[15.] Malachi 3 (God refines, searches); Malachi 3:3,5
NT:
[16.] Gospels (Jesus comes seeking/investigating for fruit, personal investigation of Peter and Disciples); Luke 13:7; Matthew 26:70,72,74; Luke 22:61-62
[17.] Matthew 18; (Investigation of unmerciful debtor) Matthew 18:23 (“take account of”)
[18.] Matthew 22 (The King comes in to see wedding guests); Matthew 22:11 (“to see”)
[19.] Mark 11 (Jesus comes seeking/investigating for fruit); Mark 11:13 (“seeing … afar off”)
[20.] Romans 2:13-16 (speaking of the judgment by the Gospel)
[21.] 2 Corinthians 5:10 (appearing before judgment seat, good and bad)
[22.] Hebrews 9 (Investigating the ‘dead’ in Christ); Hebrews 9:27 (judgment of the dead comes first, before living)
[23.] 1 Peter 4 (giving an account in judgment); 1 Peter 4:5 (“ready to judge”, judgment was not yet then)
[24.] Jude 1:15 (Execution of Judgment already gone before)
[25.] Revelation 3:10, 17:12 (Time (“hour”) of the Investigation of the Living, only professing in Christ Jesus)
[26.] Revelation 3 (Laodicea; ‘Judging of the people'); Revelation 3:14 (“true witness”)
[27.] Revelation 11 (Judgment began after 1,260 years, after AD 1798); Revelation 11:1-2 (“measure”, “worship”)
[28.] Revelation 14 (Investigative Judgment, while Gospel still goes to the world, time of probation and mercy, just before the 7 Last Plagues, a time without Mercy, Wrath); Revelation 14:6-12 (“hour”, “judgment”, “worship”, “Gospel”)
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This “judgment” taking place (first for ‘dead’ professing (Hebrews 9:27), then after, for living professing (Revelation 3:10, 17:12)) does not involve itself with the lost in general or those not professing, as those who do not profess are already “condemned” (John 3:18).
The Bible (KJB) speaks about the Books (of Record/Witness) Of Heaven that are used in the Investigative Judgment, and Great White Throne Judgment:
Daniel 7:9-10 - “(9) I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit … (10) thousand thousands
ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books
books were opened.”
Daniel 12:1 - “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:
and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that
time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.”
God and Heaven records/witnesses:
Deuteronomy 30:19 - “I call heaven and earth to record this day against you …”
Deuteronomy 31:28 - “… and call heaven and earth to record against them.”
Job 16:19 - “… behold, my witness is in heaven, and my record is on high.”
2 Corinthians 1:23 - “Moreover I call God for a record …”
Philippians 1:8 - “For God is my record …”
Books which record sin:
Exodus 32:32-33 - “(32) Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which
thou hast written. (33) And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my
book.”
Isaiah 65:6-7 - “(6) Behold, it is written before me … (7) Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together …”
Jeremiah 2:22 - “… thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD.”
See where sins are to be “blotted out” just before Jesus comes the 2nd time, when He comes out of the Most Holy Place in heaven, sending the latter rain, nearing the end of the Antitypical Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16:1-34, 23:26-32; Zechariah 3:1-7; Revelation 8:5, 18:1, 20:1-2):
Acts 3:19 - “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing
shall come from the presence of the Lord;”
See also: Psalms 51:1,9, 109:13-14; Nehemiah 4:5; Jeremiah 18:23
Books of Remembering/Remembrance:
Malachi 3:16 - “… a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought
upon his name.”
Ezekiel 18:24 - “But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth
according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done
shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he
die.”
Books which record our sorrows and trials:
Psalms 56:9 - “Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?”
Psalms 139:16 - “… in thy book all my members were written …”
Ezekiel 2:10 - “And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein
lamentations, and mourning, and woe.”
Book of the Living:
Psalms 69:28 - “… blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.”
Book of Life of the Lamb: Philippians 4:3; Revelation 13:8, 17:8, 20:12,15, 21:27, 22:19
Other mentions of Books: Revelation 5:1,2,3,4,5,7,8,9
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The words “Investigative” “Judgment” as found in various English Bible translations:
In Daniel 7:9-10, notice other translations:
[MSG] “… The courtroom was called to order, and the books were opened. …”
[NOG] “… The court convened, and the books were opened …”
[ISV] “… The court sat in judgment, and record books were unsealed …”
[GNT] “… The court began its session, and the books were opened …”
God gave us a type of how God operates in Heaven:
Deuteronomy 13:14 KJB (context, men going after other gods, Belial, vs. 13) - “Then shalt thou
enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that
such abomination is wrought among you;”
Deuteronomy 13:14, other English translations:
[AMP] “… then you shall investigate and search out [witnesses] and ask thorough questions …”
[CSB] “… you are to inquire, investigate, and interrogate thoroughly…”
[HCSB] “… you are to inquire, investigate, and interrogate thoroughly …”
God gave us another type:
Deuteronomy 19:18 KJB (context, a controversy between two persons, see vs. 17) - “And the judges
shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely
against his brother;”
Deuteronomy 19:18, other English translations:
[AMP] “… The judges shall investigate thoroughly …”
[CSB] “… The judges are to make a careful investigation …”
[CJB] “… The judges are to investigate carefully …”
[HCB] “… The judges are to make a careful investigation …”
There is even a translation which uses the direct word “investigative”:
[OJB] Luke 1:3 - “thought it expedient also, having done an iyun (investigative research), accurately and carefully
being meayen (engaged in research) in every source and making a medakdeke (pain-stakingly
thorough) investigation of every aspect from HaReshit (the Beginning), …”
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Search Me & Try Me:
Psalms 7:11 - “God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.”
Psalms 37:33 - “The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.”
Ecclesiastes 3:17 - “I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for
every purpose and for every work.
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 - “(13) Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his
commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (14) For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret
thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
Psalms 139:23-24 - “(23) Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: (24) And see if there
be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.”
Jeremiah 17:10 - “I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and
according to the fruit of his doings.”
Zephaniah 1:12 - “And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men
that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil.”
Lamentations 3:40 - “Let us search and try our ways, and turn again to the LORD.”
Psalms 9:12 - “When he maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble.”
1 Corinthians 11:31 - “For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.”
James 2:12-13 - “(12) So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. (13) For he [God] shall
have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
What about Matthew 7:1; Luke 6:37 & John 5:24?
Matthew 7:1 - “Judge not, that ye be not judged.”
Luke 6:37 - “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall
be forgiven:”
John 5:24 - “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath
everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
As for Matthew 7:1, notice the context, which then affects Matthew 7:1; Luke 6:37; John 5:24, being conditional:
Matthew 7:2 - “For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be
measured to you again.”
Therefore, live & judge in God’s mercy (Matthew 18), and we shall be shown mercy, and not come into condemnation.
Psalms 44:20-21 - “(20) If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god; (21)
“Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.”
Proverbs 28:5 - “Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.”
The Bible (KJB) speaks about the Books (of Record/Witness) Of Heaven that are used in the Investigative Judgment, and Great White Throne Judgment:
Daniel 7:9-10 - “(9) I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit … (10) thousand thousands
ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books
books were opened.”
Daniel 12:1 - “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:
and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that
time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.”
God and Heaven records/witnesses:
Deuteronomy 30:19 - “I call heaven and earth to record this day against you …”
Deuteronomy 31:28 - “… and call heaven and earth to record against them.”
Job 16:19 - “… behold, my witness is in heaven, and my record is on high.”
2 Corinthians 1:23 - “Moreover I call God for a record …”
Philippians 1:8 - “For God is my record …”
Books which record sin:
Exodus 32:32-33 - “(32) Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which
thou hast written. (33) And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my
book.”
Isaiah 65:6-7 - “(6) Behold, it is written before me … (7) Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together …”
Jeremiah 2:22 - “… thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD.”
See where sins are to be “blotted out” just before Jesus comes the 2nd time, when He comes out of the Most Holy Place in heaven, sending the latter rain, nearing the end of the Antitypical Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16:1-34, 23:26-32; Zechariah 3:1-7; Revelation 8:5, 18:1, 20:1-2):
Acts 3:19 - “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing
shall come from the presence of the Lord;”
See also: Psalms 51:1,9, 109:13-14; Nehemiah 4:5; Jeremiah 18:23
Books of Remembering/Remembrance:
Malachi 3:16 - “… a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought
upon his name.”
Ezekiel 18:24 - “But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth
according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done
shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he
die.”
Books which record our sorrows and trials:
Psalms 56:9 - “Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?”
Psalms 139:16 - “… in thy book all my members were written …”
Ezekiel 2:10 - “And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein
lamentations, and mourning, and woe.”
Book of the Living:
Psalms 69:28 - “… blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.”
Book of Life of the Lamb: Philippians 4:3; Revelation 13:8, 17:8, 20:12,15, 21:27, 22:19
Other mentions of Books: Revelation 5:1,2,3,4,5,7,8,9
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The words “Investigative” “Judgment” as found in various English Bible translations:
In Daniel 7:9-10, notice other translations:
[MSG] “… The courtroom was called to order, and the books were opened. …”
[NOG] “… The court convened, and the books were opened …”
[ISV] “… The court sat in judgment, and record books were unsealed …”
[GNT] “… The court began its session, and the books were opened …”
God gave us a type of how God operates in Heaven:
Deuteronomy 13:14 KJB (context, men going after other gods, Belial, vs. 13) - “Then shalt thou
enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that
such abomination is wrought among you;”
Deuteronomy 13:14, other English translations:
[AMP] “… then you shall investigate and search out [witnesses] and ask thorough questions …”
[CSB] “… you are to inquire, investigate, and interrogate thoroughly…”
[HCSB] “… you are to inquire, investigate, and interrogate thoroughly …”
God gave us another type:
Deuteronomy 19:18 KJB (context, a controversy between two persons, see vs. 17) - “And the judges
shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely
against his brother;”
Deuteronomy 19:18, other English translations:
[AMP] “… The judges shall investigate thoroughly …”
[CSB] “… The judges are to make a careful investigation …”
[CJB] “… The judges are to investigate carefully …”
[HCB] “… The judges are to make a careful investigation …”
There is even a translation which uses the direct word “investigative”:
[OJB] Luke 1:3 - “thought it expedient also, having done an iyun (investigative research), accurately and carefully
being meayen (engaged in research) in every source and making a medakdeke (pain-stakingly
thorough) investigation of every aspect from HaReshit (the Beginning), …”
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Search Me & Try Me:
Psalms 7:11 - “God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.”
Psalms 37:33 - “The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.”
Ecclesiastes 3:17 - “I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for
every purpose and for every work.
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 - “(13) Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his
commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (14) For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret
thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
Psalms 139:23-24 - “(23) Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: (24) And see if there
be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.”
Jeremiah 17:10 - “I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and
according to the fruit of his doings.”
Zephaniah 1:12 - “And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men
that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil.”
Lamentations 3:40 - “Let us search and try our ways, and turn again to the LORD.”
Psalms 9:12 - “When he maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble.”
1 Corinthians 11:31 - “For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.”
James 2:12-13 - “(12) So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. (13) For he [God] shall
have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
What about Matthew 7:1; Luke 6:37 & John 5:24?
Matthew 7:1 - “Judge not, that ye be not judged.”
Luke 6:37 - “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall
be forgiven:”
John 5:24 - “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath
everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
As for Matthew 7:1, notice the context, which then affects Matthew 7:1; Luke 6:37; John 5:24, being conditional:
Matthew 7:2 - “For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be
measured to you again.”
Therefore, live & judge in God’s mercy (Matthew 18), and we shall be shown mercy, and not come into condemnation.
Psalms 44:20-21 - “(20) If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god; (21)
“Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.”
Proverbs 28:5 - “Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.”
That is partially right and partially wrong.
The first part is true. "the sabbath is the seal of God"
The second, is incorrect, as it misunderstand what Seventh-day Adventists actually teach. "if someone keeps Sunday their receiving the mark of the beast"
As to the second, the "mark of the beast", only becomes prominent when a National (Governmental) Sunday Law comes into effect. It is NOT a matter of any church day attendance normally. It is when Church and State unite to enforce a Law contrary to God's Law, which happens to be the Sunday. This was typlogically foretold in scripture, and not just prophetically.
NO ONE who attends church on a sunday, simply to worship God has the 'Mark of the Beast'. A "Beast" is a political entity, a nation-state, a kingdom.
Christians are to worship God 24/7/365. Seventh-day Adventists meet and worship on every day of the week, prayer meeting, vespers, bible study, fellowship, prophecy or health seminars, etc. In fact, we just gathered tonight, and we prayed and I taught, and we sang and worshipped God.
As to the First:
See Study 11:
https://archive.org/details/study-1...ay-why-is-there-so-much-confusion-and-disagre
QUESTION: WHAT DOES A “SEAL” CONTAIN IN SCRIPTURE?
QUESTION: WHAT IS THE SEAL OF GOD IF NOT THE HOLY GHOST?
The first part is true. "the sabbath is the seal of God"
The second, is incorrect, as it misunderstand what Seventh-day Adventists actually teach. "if someone keeps Sunday their receiving the mark of the beast"
As to the second, the "mark of the beast", only becomes prominent when a National (Governmental) Sunday Law comes into effect. It is NOT a matter of any church day attendance normally. It is when Church and State unite to enforce a Law contrary to God's Law, which happens to be the Sunday. This was typlogically foretold in scripture, and not just prophetically.
NO ONE who attends church on a sunday, simply to worship God has the 'Mark of the Beast'. A "Beast" is a political entity, a nation-state, a kingdom.
Christians are to worship God 24/7/365. Seventh-day Adventists meet and worship on every day of the week, prayer meeting, vespers, bible study, fellowship, prophecy or health seminars, etc. In fact, we just gathered tonight, and we prayed and I taught, and we sang and worshipped God.
As to the First:
See Study 11:
https://archive.org/details/study-1...ay-why-is-there-so-much-confusion-and-disagre
QUESTION: WHAT DOES A “SEAL” CONTAIN IN SCRIPTURE?
SEAL -- TEXT -- NAME -- TITLE -- TERRITORY -- SEALED/MARKED
Gen. 41:41-42,46 -- Pharaoh -- King -- Egypt -- “his ring from his hand ... set thee over all the land Egypt”
Dan. 4:1-3,16 -- Nebuchadnezzar (II) -- King (of Kings) -- Babylon -- “unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth”, “signs”, “seven”
2 Chr. 36:22; Ezr. 1:1 -- Cyrus (II) -- King -- Persia -- “he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing”
Dan. 6:8,17 -- Darius (the Mede) -- King -- Medes and Persians -- “the king sealed it with his own signet, and with the signet of his lords; that the purpose might not be changed concerning Daniel”
Est. 3:12, 8:8,10 -- Ahasuerus (Xerxes I) -- King -- Persia -- “in the king's name, and seal it with the king's ring: for the writing which is written in the king's name, and sealed with the king's ring, may no man reverse.”
1 Ki. 21:1,8 -- Ahab -- King -- Samaria -- “she [Jezebel] wrote letters in Ahab's name, and sealed them with his seal”
Rev. 7:3, 14:1,7; Isa. 8:16; Eph. 4:30; Luk. 15:22 -- Name of “God” -- “having his Father's name written in their foreheads” -- Creator of, “God … him that” -- “made”, “the earth, ... the sea, ...the trees”, “heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.” -- “sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.”, “seal the law among my disciples.”, “the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” (the HOLY GHOST is NOT the SEAL, but the PERSON who does the SEALING, in Jesus’ (Son’s) name on behalf of the Father (Son came in His name)) The Sabbath is the enclosing “ring” of God, or completion of the cycle of 7; “put a ring on his hand” (God’s law surrounds all the actions (hand), work & rest)
Gen. 41:41-42,46 -- Pharaoh -- King -- Egypt -- “his ring from his hand ... set thee over all the land Egypt”
Dan. 4:1-3,16 -- Nebuchadnezzar (II) -- King (of Kings) -- Babylon -- “unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth”, “signs”, “seven”
2 Chr. 36:22; Ezr. 1:1 -- Cyrus (II) -- King -- Persia -- “he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing”
Dan. 6:8,17 -- Darius (the Mede) -- King -- Medes and Persians -- “the king sealed it with his own signet, and with the signet of his lords; that the purpose might not be changed concerning Daniel”
Est. 3:12, 8:8,10 -- Ahasuerus (Xerxes I) -- King -- Persia -- “in the king's name, and seal it with the king's ring: for the writing which is written in the king's name, and sealed with the king's ring, may no man reverse.”
1 Ki. 21:1,8 -- Ahab -- King -- Samaria -- “she [Jezebel] wrote letters in Ahab's name, and sealed them with his seal”
Rev. 7:3, 14:1,7; Isa. 8:16; Eph. 4:30; Luk. 15:22 -- Name of “God” -- “having his Father's name written in their foreheads” -- Creator of, “God … him that” -- “made”, “the earth, ... the sea, ...the trees”, “heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.” -- “sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.”, “seal the law among my disciples.”, “the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” (the HOLY GHOST is NOT the SEAL, but the PERSON who does the SEALING, in Jesus’ (Son’s) name on behalf of the Father (Son came in His name)) The Sabbath is the enclosing “ring” of God, or completion of the cycle of 7; “put a ring on his hand” (God’s law surrounds all the actions (hand), work & rest)
QUESTION: WHAT IS THE SEAL OF GOD IF NOT THE HOLY GHOST?
COMPARISON CHART: “THE LORD”, “MADE”, “HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IN THEM IS”, “RESTED”, “THE SEVENTH DAY”, “THE SABBATH DAY” – GOD’S SEAL
TEXT -- NAME (JEHOVAH) -- TITLE (CREATOR) -- TERRITORY (HEAVEN) -- TERRITORY (EARTH) -- TERRITORY (SEA) -- (7TH) SABBATH SEAL
Gen. 1:1,10, 2:1-3 -- “God” (Elohiym) -- “created” -- “the heaven” (sky) -- “the earth” -- “and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas” -- "the seventh day”, “the seventh day”, “the seventh day”
Exo. 20:11 -- “the LORD” (JEHOVAH) -- “made” -- “heaven” -- “and earth” -- “the sea, and all that in them is” -- “the seventh day”, “the sabbath day”
Exodus 31:17; Isa. 8:16,18,20 -- “the LORD” (JEHOVAH) -- “made” -- “heaven” -- “and earth” -- ------- -- “the seventh day”, “it is a sign”, “my disciples”, “children”, “seal the law among my disciples”, “to the law and to the testimony”
Neh. 9:6 -- “Thou … LORD” (JEHOVAH) -- “made” -- “heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host” -- “the earth, and all things that are therein” -- “the seas, and all that is therein” -- “worshipeth thee”
Psa. 146:5-6 -- “the LORD his God” (JEHOVAH Elohiym) -- “which made” -- “heaven” -- “and earth” -- “the sea, and all that therein is” -- “keepeth truth for ever”, see Psa. 119:142,151
Act. 4:24 -- “God … Lord, thou art God” (despota su o Theos) -- “which hast made” -- “heaven” -- “and earth” -- “and the sea, and all that in them is” -- [these were believing Jews, already keeping sabbath]
Act. 14:15 -- “the living God” (ton Theon ton zonta) -- “which made” -- “heaven” -- “and earth” -- “and the sea, and all things that are therein” -- “preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities” [Paul preached for the Gentiles to turn (repent) unto the True Creator & keep sabbath, see Act. 15:14-21]\
Col. 1:16,23 -- “by him” (Jesus) -- “created” -- “that are in heaven” -- “and that are in earth” -- “were all things” -- “If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;”
Rev. 10:6,11 -- “him that liveth for ever and ever, who” -- “created” -- “heaven, and the things that therein are” -- “and the earth, and the things that therein are” -- “and the sea, and the things which are therein” -- “prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.”
Rev. 1:10, 14:6-7,12 -- “Fear God” (phobethete ton Theon) -- “that made” -- “heaven” -- “and earth” -- “and the sea, and the fountains of waters” -- “worship him”, “give glory to him”, “the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus”, “in the Spirit on the Lord’s day”, “the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,”
See the many other texts which share similar thoughts: Gen_14:19,22; Deut. 10:14; 2 Ki. 19:15; 1 Chr. 29:11; 2 Chr. 2:12; Ezr. 5:11; Psa. 69:34, 115:15, 121:2, 124:8, 134:3, 135:6; Isa. 37:16, 40;12; Jer. 32:17, 51:15-16; Mat. 11:25; Luk. 10:21; &c. See Isa. 66:22-23, that all flesh will come to “worship” before God from “sabbath to sabbath”.
TEXT -- NAME (JEHOVAH) -- TITLE (CREATOR) -- TERRITORY (HEAVEN) -- TERRITORY (EARTH) -- TERRITORY (SEA) -- (7TH) SABBATH SEAL
Gen. 1:1,10, 2:1-3 -- “God” (Elohiym) -- “created” -- “the heaven” (sky) -- “the earth” -- “and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas” -- "the seventh day”, “the seventh day”, “the seventh day”
Exo. 20:11 -- “the LORD” (JEHOVAH) -- “made” -- “heaven” -- “and earth” -- “the sea, and all that in them is” -- “the seventh day”, “the sabbath day”
Exodus 31:17; Isa. 8:16,18,20 -- “the LORD” (JEHOVAH) -- “made” -- “heaven” -- “and earth” -- ------- -- “the seventh day”, “it is a sign”, “my disciples”, “children”, “seal the law among my disciples”, “to the law and to the testimony”
Neh. 9:6 -- “Thou … LORD” (JEHOVAH) -- “made” -- “heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host” -- “the earth, and all things that are therein” -- “the seas, and all that is therein” -- “worshipeth thee”
Psa. 146:5-6 -- “the LORD his God” (JEHOVAH Elohiym) -- “which made” -- “heaven” -- “and earth” -- “the sea, and all that therein is” -- “keepeth truth for ever”, see Psa. 119:142,151
Act. 4:24 -- “God … Lord, thou art God” (despota su o Theos) -- “which hast made” -- “heaven” -- “and earth” -- “and the sea, and all that in them is” -- [these were believing Jews, already keeping sabbath]
Act. 14:15 -- “the living God” (ton Theon ton zonta) -- “which made” -- “heaven” -- “and earth” -- “and the sea, and all things that are therein” -- “preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities” [Paul preached for the Gentiles to turn (repent) unto the True Creator & keep sabbath, see Act. 15:14-21]\
Col. 1:16,23 -- “by him” (Jesus) -- “created” -- “that are in heaven” -- “and that are in earth” -- “were all things” -- “If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;”
Rev. 10:6,11 -- “him that liveth for ever and ever, who” -- “created” -- “heaven, and the things that therein are” -- “and the earth, and the things that therein are” -- “and the sea, and the things which are therein” -- “prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.”
Rev. 1:10, 14:6-7,12 -- “Fear God” (phobethete ton Theon) -- “that made” -- “heaven” -- “and earth” -- “and the sea, and the fountains of waters” -- “worship him”, “give glory to him”, “the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus”, “in the Spirit on the Lord’s day”, “the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,”
See the many other texts which share similar thoughts: Gen_14:19,22; Deut. 10:14; 2 Ki. 19:15; 1 Chr. 29:11; 2 Chr. 2:12; Ezr. 5:11; Psa. 69:34, 115:15, 121:2, 124:8, 134:3, 135:6; Isa. 37:16, 40;12; Jer. 32:17, 51:15-16; Mat. 11:25; Luk. 10:21; &c. See Isa. 66:22-23, that all flesh will come to “worship” before God from “sabbath to sabbath”.
QUESTION: IF THE SEAL OF GOD, FOUND IN HIS LAW, IS THE 7TH DAY, THE SABBATH OF THE LORD, THEN WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST?
The Mark (or Sign) of the Beast (Rev. 13:1-2), is simply the opposition to those who “keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus” (Rev. 14:12), “who did no sin” (1 Pet. 2:22; sin being the transgression of the law; 1 Jhn. 3:4; Rom. 7:7; Jam. 2:10-12)), and in relation to the specific command of “the Lord’s Day” (Rev. 1:10; Isa. 58:13), wherein God is made known to be the maker “heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.” (Rev. 14:7)
So what is it that the worshippers of the Beast (nation-state; creation rather than Creator) do? They transgress God’s law for their own vain traditions, as think they can change God’s immutable spiritual (Rom. 7:14) Law of Ten Commandments and the time of it, and turn their backs upon the Law of God and the Ten Commandments, and worship the “sun” (creation) in the “east” (a sun-day), an “golden” “idol” of men’s traditions, and take up vain thoughts (frontlets, forehead) and vain actions (hands):
The Mark (or Sign) of the Beast (Rev. 13:1-2), is simply the opposition to those who “keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus” (Rev. 14:12), “who did no sin” (1 Pet. 2:22; sin being the transgression of the law; 1 Jhn. 3:4; Rom. 7:7; Jam. 2:10-12)), and in relation to the specific command of “the Lord’s Day” (Rev. 1:10; Isa. 58:13), wherein God is made known to be the maker “heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.” (Rev. 14:7)
So what is it that the worshippers of the Beast (nation-state; creation rather than Creator) do? They transgress God’s law for their own vain traditions, as think they can change God’s immutable spiritual (Rom. 7:14) Law of Ten Commandments and the time of it, and turn their backs upon the Law of God and the Ten Commandments, and worship the “sun” (creation) in the “east” (a sun-day), an “golden” “idol” of men’s traditions, and take up vain thoughts (frontlets, forehead) and vain actions (hands):
[A.] Dan_7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
[B.] Pro_24:21 My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:
[C.] Eze_8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
[D.] Exo 32:1 And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
Exo 32:2 And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.
Exo 32:3 And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.
Exo 32:4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
Exo 32:5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD. (They claimed to worship JEHOVAH by this golden idol, while Moses (type of Jesus) was away up in the high mountain with God (as Jesus is with the Father now in Heaven))
[E.] Dan 3:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon. (60x6x6)
Dan 3:2 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king sent to gather together the princes, the governors, and the captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, to come to the dedication of the image which Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.
Dan 3:3 Then the princes, the governors, and captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, were gathered together unto the dedication of the image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up; and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up. (an image of a man, without God’s Holy Spirit, is the “image” of a “beast”; Dan. 4:16)
Dan 3:4 Then an herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, and languages, (counterfeit herald message, opposing 3 angels; Rev. 14:6-12, 16:13)
Dan 3:5 That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up: (to “fall down” is to “sin”, or transgress God’s law; Psa. 36:12; Eze. 44:12; Hos. 5:5; 1 Jhn. 3:4)
Dan 3:6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. (“fall”, Mat. 4:9; ‘hour, and the power of darkness “, Luk. 22:53; “hour”, Rev. 3:10, “hour”, “to try them”; Rev. 17:12)
[F.] Psa_115:4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands. (see also Psa. 135:15; Isa. 31:7; therefore, those Sealed by God, are to love God’s Commandments above “gold” (Psa. 119:127), choosing to have the Father’s name in our foreheads (frontlets), Pro. 22:1; Mat. 23:17, Jesus is the Temple)
[G.] Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
[H.] Deu_6:8 And thou shalt bind them [God’s Law of Ten Commandments; Deut. 5:6-21] for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[I.] Deu_11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
No, that is not the case. In the OT, God declares that certain animals are "unclean" and shouldn't be eaten. That restriction has been removed in the NT. All foods are clean.
Mark 7:18-19, "He said to them, “So, are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, since it enters not the heart but the stomach and goes out into the sewer?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)"
Mark 7:18-19, "He said to them, “So, are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, since it enters not the heart but the stomach and goes out into the sewer?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)"
This was addressed already in Post#13 - https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...s-under-the-new-covenant.209412/#post-5004965
Isaiah, foretold of the destruction of those in the end who were still consuming the unclean and abomination (Isa. 66:17).
Even in Exodus the diet of Egypt was to be left behind, and all the unclean they ate, and we, at the end of time are to still have the same lesson, in 1 Cor. 10.
"[2] Mark 7:19, in your OP, is a false translation, which leads to a misunderstanding and erroneous,even dangerous to health and life, belief. The actual translation of the GNT TR reads
Mar_7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Mar 7:19 οτι ουκ εισπορευεται αυτου εις την καρδιαν αλλ εις την κοιλιαν και εις τον αφεδρωνα εκπορευεται καθαριζον παντα τα βρωματα
In other words, the food (proper, Jesus upholding what God stated in the OT) which is eaten does not defile the heart (mental), but passes from out of (purged from) the body and goes into the toilet as 'dirt'."
Peter, whom many scholars say was the eye-witness for "Mark" and his "Gospel". never got the idea from Jesus' words in Mark, that he was suddenly allowed to eat unclean and abomination, see Acts 10-11, which was addressed in the same post#13 and #19 - https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...r-the-new-covenant.209412/page-5#post-5007192 :'[1] Acts 10-11 demonstrate that Peter (and as recorded by Luke), years after the resurrection of Jesus, said, "... I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean." (Acts 10:14, see also Acts 11:8) Peter never had the impression that Jesus had ever intimated "Thus he declared all foods clean". John, in the book of Revelation, written circa AD 90ish, also mentions the "unclean" frogs & birds (Revelation 16:13, 18:2) in contrast to the clean. Acts 15:20,29, 21:25, also repeat health law from OT, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, &c, for those Gentiles which were repenting, or "turned to God" (Acts 15:19)."
And John on the Isle of Patmos draws from the still natural unclean to speak of the spiritual unclean in as late as AD 90ish (Rev. 16:13, 18:2).Isaiah, foretold of the destruction of those in the end who were still consuming the unclean and abomination (Isa. 66:17).
Even in Exodus the diet of Egypt was to be left behind, and all the unclean they ate, and we, at the end of time are to still have the same lesson, in 1 Cor. 10.