Justified/Saved by Faith & Faith Alone

Perfection is required if your trying to work for it

We need grace BECAUSE we can’t earn it

You have works and grace intertwined and related. They are not..

if it is grace, it is no longer works. Paul did not stutter.

This is not true

We are dead because of sin.

we can;t be made alive until sin is removed.

That is called justification.

Justificatgion preceded new birth. We are made alive because we believe

A couple of things for your consideration if you like.

While it is true that God wants us to be like Jesus, He has actually predestined us to be conformed to the image of His Son...Romans 8:29...and is performing the task Himself...Philippians 2:13...for it is God at work in you, willing and doing of His good pleasure.

Incidentally, it is His promise to continue this work that He began until the day of Christ...Philippians 1:6...that eternal security is based on.

Just for your prayerful consideration.

If you’re under grace then you’re not perfect, hence the requirement for grace.

Under the Law of Moses, there is no grace.

Galatians 5:4
4You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

You’re right Paul didn’t stutter, which is why he said this:

Galatians 5
18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Which is why I am telling you to remain in God’s grace by walking in the Spirit, pursuing what’s good, righteous, and avoiding sin. If you don’t then you’re under the law and this happens:

Galatians 5
19The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

We are justified by Jesus' work at Calvary. It is His sacrifice in our place that allows God to be both just and Justifier...Romans 3:26...

Jesus' Words in John 6:65

Thank you and I read Romans 8:29 and it lead me here. So how do we become like Jesus? What better way to become like Jesus than to do what Jesus did to be Jesus?

Please consider this:


Hebrews 5
7During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

How can we make ourselves like Jesus? His beauty is in Who He is. Copying what He did doesn't change us. It merely has us conforming our will outwardly. We still haven't received the motivations of Jesus' heart. So though our outward behavior would look identical, we would still perform the task from a natural heart. This heart is described in Jeremiah as deceitful and wicked. Thus, all that we copied would still not be acceptable to God. Isaiah 64:6 describes it as filthy rags.

John 15 shows us how to live in the power of Christ. This I believe is what Paul was referring to when he said I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me.

God's standard for acceptance is perfection. In Christ, we have His perfection.

The verses in Hebrews don't refer to sinless perfection. They refer to doing all that was necessary to become our High Priest.

You got it

So you CANT work enough to earn it. Yet that is what you preach.

There is two ways to heaven, the law (works) or grace (mercy and favor)

there is no other way

That is true

But we are justified through faith.

God will not force it on us. He wants us to trust him..

We are justified by the finished work of Calvary. If you believe that is imputed upon our exercise of faith that's one thing. If you think faithjustifies, I don't find that in scripture. Either way, I believe it comes prior.

You understand the letter that James wrote?

James 2:22
You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected.

Saved by grace through faith and a perfect faith results from works.

Yet, the reason for salvation, that gift of eternal life, freely given to us whom believe in Jesus.

James 2:17
In the same way, faith also, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.

An authentic faith has works, fruit, perseveres, e.t.c.

Still the song remains the same.

The reason for your election at all times is not from you.

Romans 10:10
For with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

The faith of Jesus Christ justifies the believer! Does anyone here really have confidence in their own individual faith to justify you before a holy God who demands sinless perfection? Our job is to simply believe.

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

But, ya'll go right ahead and continue trying to justify yourselves through your own faith.

The fruit of the Holy Spirit is a gift from above, as is our salvation.

You must bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

But above all, an unconditional love towards others.

Which, if you check carefully, love is also one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

Where does "my works" come into the equation of salvation?

Well it doesn't, salvation is a gift from God and freely given to those that believe.

There is a cosmic difference between Christ's act of reconciliation and your pathetic works, fruit, e.t.c.

Boast in Christ!

The perfect life of Christ imputed to us and His substitutionary death applied to us satisfies both God's requirements of righteousness and wrath. That's what allows God to be just and justifier simultaneously.

Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, etc all said what I’m telling you. Simply put, faith without works is dead. James said it most concisely.

God bless.

Do any say our works create or provide faith?

I believe what the Bible says

As moses lifted the serpent. So shall the son of man be lifted up. That whoever believes (has faith) in him wil never perish, but has eternal life (born again) for God so loved the world. He gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth (has faith) in him Shall not perish, but has eternal life (is born again) For I was not sent to judge the world. But so the world might be saved, Whoever believes (has faith) is not condemned. Whoever believe th not is condemned already.

If you think we are born again BEFORE we believe or have faith. You are mistaken..

Redemption was paid by the blood of the lamb on the cross.

but he will not forc e that redemption on you. or give it to you if you do not want it.

He wants to like the people of israel did, to trust him. And look up.. just as they were saved. If you do this, you too will be saved.

You do not get it

James stated a fat. There is NO SUCH thing as faiht without works.

Your issue is, We are saved by faith. NOT WORKS.. works do not save you.. Faith does. And Faith produces works.

Grace saved us because our work can not save us, if it could. We would be saved by the law..

You want to try to work to earn salvation. COntinue, but know this, God will reject your works.. Because you reject his grace.