Is Michael Another Name For Jesus?

This Topic really brings forth the Hypocrisy and Demonic viewpoints.

The SDA are typically vegans when Jesus and other Jews ate Lamb for special occasions like Passover...

They keep the Sabbath when Paul in Colossians tells us not to listen to when they judge you toward not following the Sabbath.


The JWs don't send their people to join the Military and will participate in burning the flag when God's people was about Military + when Jesus Returns we're going to the WAR and BATTLE taking place in Armageddon.

They don't honor Holidays even though God had the Jews to remember Passover and the Other special Events.

They don't honor Birthdays but yet how do we know Jesus was 30 years old when He began preaching if they didn't remember they became a year older with each passing year.


And then they come here and think they can tell us Michael is Jesus when we have the factual writing from Enoch and others concerning the Watchers or Arch Angels of the Ancient of Days.

This Thread feels more like Spiritual Warfare than anything else.

Yes, the man in linen in Daniel 10, is obviously Jesus.

Michael is just an angel.

because many churches are built on this

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

instead of this

“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭

Much of The church is in bondage in because much of it is not focused here

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

abut that’s why we were warned 1900 years ago what would happen in the future and how to avoid being dragged away into it

“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

many churches haven’t received the Holy Ghost because they are trying to avoid what Jesus said in the gospel

it begins subtly to teach people to not believe Jesus words concerning a believers salvation

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.

So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, ( Gods word has been spoken ) he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


So you have this marvelous statement made of faith spoken by our Lord and it’s meant for every creature on earth this of course after Jesus is baptized and preached the gospel among them he then tells those who believed him to do this


“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”

Matthew tells us specifics that mark doesn’t of this address so we understand the right word to share with all people

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So when mark says “ go into the world and preach the gospel to all creatures whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved “ we learn more specifically the word to preach which is The gospel Jesus came to the world to preach and send out to all people saying “ believe the lord and be saved “

The first commandment Jesus really gave us to preach the gospel he preached to them to everyone else and to baptize them in his name for remission of sins

which is even more revealed here in what Peter immediately began to do when he receive the holy spirit as Jesus said they would

first peters stands and starts preaching the gospel and concludes here at this conclusion

“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

( they now accept that this must be true of Jesus and it brings them to repentance and remission of sins so )

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them,

( what we do )
Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

( what he gives us )
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:32-33, 36-39, 41‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Peter was obeying Jesus by the Holy Ghost he had received already being born of water for remission and spirit for life Peter and all the people wrotten in the four gospel accounts had already done this

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now they were beginning to carry out the great commission to preach it to all people jew and gentile all creatures offering remission of sins to them also


If we heard what God actually said and believed it’s true and acted in that belief getting baptized believing what Jesus has said our salvation we would be stepping forth in faith .

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But since the beginning , the subtly begins straight away with a question “ do we really need to believe what Jesus said and get baptized to be saved ?”

Like this

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬

And then the subtlety that begins with a question of a simple true word of God

“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a and then comes the false doctrine which declares by default “ god lord to you with his word hear my word instead “

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God said don’t do it or you’ll surely die Satan says that’s not true God knows it will make you as gods “

That is the battle of a believer adam when his wife told him this false doctrine which began with the devil failed to stay with believing Gods word of life and death and followed the lie the false doctrine that lead to their demise which God clearly warned ahead of time would happen

But Jesus showed us how to overcome simply by believing Gods word rather than the devils

“Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

(he tempts Jesus again )

Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

(he tempts Jesus again trying to bribe him with the fallen world )

Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:1, 3-4, 7, 10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus showed us what Adam failed to do adam also could have said to eve when she spread the false doctrine and even eve could have said tonthe serpent

“ get behind me Satan for God just told us the truth that the fruit is forbidden because it will cause our certain death “

But instead they heartened to satans words and decided “ the fruit must not really be deadly it will make us wiser let’s eat “

before satans doctrine came they would have just believed what God said and acted appropriately

agate what false doctrine has done to the church many won’t accept the truth or way of truth spoken by the lord to all creatures so we have division and combat within the body regarding doctrine so many false teachings have infiltrated the gospel and Gods own true words we all are supposed to hear and believe and be saved

oyster67 said:
Do you believe that Jesus was born of a virgin?

He was God. Whether or not He inherited any of Mary's facial features or chromosomes is irrelevant. His Father was God. He was God.

What is important is the spiritual requirement that He be without sin. The spotless sacrificial lamb of God.

Many of the scoffers of that day sought to imply that Jesus was born in sin. Are you casting your lot among them?

Of course it is. The Darkness is trying to overcome the Light. As I have noted before Christian forums are battlegrounds between Light and Darkness.

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FAQ: Why are so many Christians against Jesus and Adam biologically
related?

REPLY: Because there's the matter of original sin and the so-called fallen
nature to reckon with. Doubters are thoroughly unable to figure out a logical
way to isolate him from either of those circumstances except by means of
his virgin conception; which of course is quite futile.
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Haven't you heard of the continuity of germ plasm?

He was born of a virgin for a reason.

"Would you like for me to post them individually here for you to see? "
Yes, please thanks daniel with link to the primary source too.

I do not want to add to your confusion, but let's let the LDS speak for themselves. Below is quotes from their site.

For an Mormon source for clairifactaion only, I think it is nonsense what they believe.
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Michael
See also Adam; Archangel

The name by which Adam was known in the premortal life. He is called the Archangel. In Hebrew the name means “Who is like God.”

Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help Daniel, Dan. 10:13, 21 (D&C 78:16).

In the last days shall Michael stand up, the great prince, Dan. 12:1.

Michael the archangel contended with the devil, Jude 1:9.

Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, Rev. 12:7 (Dan. 7).

Michael is Adam, D&C 27:11 (D&C 107:53–57; 128:21).

Michael, the Lord’s archangel, shall sound his trump, D&C 29:26.

Michael will gather his armies and fight Satan, D&C 88:112–115.

The voice of Michael was heard detecting the devil, D&C 128:20.

Adam is the Ancient of Days and is also known as Michael (Dan. 7; D&C 27:11; 107:53–54; 116; 138:38). He is the archangel (D&C 107:54) and will come again to the earth as the patriarch of the human family (D&C 116).

• God created man in his own image, Gen. 1:26–28 (Moses 2:26–28; Abr. 4:26–28).

Michael, or Adam, is the archangel or chief angel.

The Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, 1 Thes. 4:16.

Michael is the archangel, Jude 1:9 (D&C 29:26; 88:112; 128:20–21).

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/gs/michael?lang=eng

Clearly the LDS, Mormon plosition is UNBIBLICAL.

In this long thread, I missed "Michael is not created " a recap first with the qouted scriptures with links and simple summary of how that was arrived at. Thanks, Daniel

"
ENOCH, BOOKS OF (Ethiopic and Slavonic):
By: Richard Gottheil, Enno Littmann
Table of Contents

• I. Ethiopic Enoch:
• Language and Versions.
• Composition and Date.
• Separate Strata.
• Value.
• II. Slavonic Enoch:
• Language and Origin.
• Date and Value.

Apocryphal works attributed to Enoch. From Gen. v. 24 ("Enoch walked with God" and "God took him") a cycle of Jewish legends about Enoch was derived, which, together with apocalyptic speculations naturally ascribed to such a man, credited with superhuman knowledge, found their literary expression in the Books of Enoch. Of this literature a collection of fragments or single, independent pieces has come down to us in the socalled "Ethiopic Enoch," whereas the Slavonic Book of Enoch gives, as it were, a résumé of most of the current oral or literary traditions about its hero, which it brings into a certain system of its own. So far as can be judged from these books, the legends of Enoch are the following: (1) He went during his lifetime to heaven, "walked" with God's angels over all heaven (or heavens) and earth, came back to his family and told them what he had seen, and finally was again taken up to heaven. (2) During his journeys he saw the secrets of heaven and earth, that is, the natural phenomena. (3) He saw what had become of the angels, "sons of God," who, according to Gen. vi. 1-4, had come to earth and sinned with the daughters of men. (4) He interceded for these fallen angels. In 3 and 4 evidently two different cycles of legends have crossed each other, but whether 3 precedes 4, or vice versa, is hard to tell. These legends, a more popular form of tradition, are, however, not preserved unimpaired, but are strongly influenced and developed by the literary traditions which deal mainly with apocalyptic ideas.
" https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/#stq=book of Enoch&stp=1

googled books of enoch online
https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/index.htm
https://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_1.HTM
https://ia801001.us.archive.org/19/...ch, Standard English Version - Jay Winter.pdf

Jude 14-15 It was also about these that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “See, the Lord is coming with ten thousands of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all, and to convict everyone of all the deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

i find equally irrational the notion that a man could become God as the idea that God could cease to be God.

both are contrary to the nature of God as witnessed by the clear testimony of scripture & the things which are seen.

That God was manifest in the flesh is neither the 'obstacle' nor 'impossibility' you seem to think it to be.

jesus was the son of Mary , who was a descendant of Adam and Eve

i don’t think anyone’s opposed to acknolwedge Jesus was born of a woman in flesh and blood like any man is

And yes of course Jesus was born of a virgin God did that for a sign that the messiah had come he doesn’t use trick wording when he declares something like this

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

At he same lord who said “ let there be light “ and then light shined . Said “ a virgin shall conceive and bear a son “

Mary’s conception of Jesus is accomplishing that word of God coming to pass or being “ fulfilled “ so you have all these witnesses like Matthew

“But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:20-23‬ ‭

clearly marys conception is a flu fill e t of Gods word spoken hindreds of years beforehand by Gods Will alone Jesus was born not by human Will of flesh and blood the power of the spirit of God to bring forth his words caused Mary to conceive she was certainly a virgin or the Bible has lied to us

hearing and believing is the way

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There's some clear testimony of scripture in post No.177
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That's quoting Deut. 33:2 and Genesis, not so-called 'enoch'. Both Jude and 'so called enoch' are citing the OT. That's why they are similar, not that jude is citing so called 'enoch'.

The problem is, there is a lot. I do not desire to get into trouble for 'spamming' the board, so I will post what I can.

Mind you, I am only posting that which was in regards to identity of the Son as "the Angel of the LORD" (and such like citaions) among post apostolic (12 apostles) writers as we have them. This first one is in English, as I could not manually type the syriack out.

[1] Melito of Sardis (wrote AD 165 – AD 175, died c. AD 180) was the bishop of Sardis near Smyrna in western Anatolia.

Secondary source, the ROman Catholic Encyclopedia:

[2] Roman Catholic Encyclopedia:

[3] Augustine of Hippo (AD 13 November 354 – AD 28 August 430) was an early Christian theologian, philosopher and bishop of Hippo Regius (present-day Annaba, Algeria) located in the Roman province of Africa.