Christ kept the Law of Moses, so....

I believe that Moses experienced a Christophany on Mt. Sinai. In other words, God the (pre-incarnate) Son gave the Law to Moses.

Therefore, because Christ Himself gave the Law to Moses, He would fulfill it on earth as a Man.

However, it doesn't follow that Gentile Christians are obligated to keep the Mosaic Law. They are, on the other hand, required to keep the Law of God which He gave to mankind even before Moses. We see this in Romans 2, where Paul wrote that Gentiles have a "law to themselves" when they by nature do what the (Mosaic) Law requires, even though it was not given to them. It is God's Law that is written on their hearts. Their consciences either "accuse" or "excuse" them, according to Paul.

For me... Truth (the Word of God) is the only thing that is unchangeable and would be the only thing for suitable for proof.

I can quote historian after historian as my back-up. These are smart people and tops in their field, but they are fallible men with world wisdom. I don’t have any more proof to my statements of the biblical dating than anyone else… And while I do believe they are somewhat accurate and I will utilize their evidence…until or unless they are proven wrong with equally verifiable natural wisdom.

I was just jesting. I share your value of truth as well as its source.

No.
You presume to correct Jesus words with your interpolation.

You're wrong for doing that .

more proof that Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life because of His obedience to the law in giving His life to save us as the law required of Him.

Psalm 119
92 Unless Your Torah had been My delight,
I would have perished in My affliction.

Torah is translated law in most English translations.

He did die as the law required of Him, but He was raised to life again because of His obedience to and delight in the Torah.

The word translated perished is abad/avad H6. That is the same word that is incorrectly translated lost in verse 176. It should have been translated perished or slain like abad/avad is translated in nearly all it's 184 usages. then verse 176 would be more correctly translated. I am missing, like a slain Lamb. Seek Your Servant for I do not forget Your commandments.

He was dead when praying verse 176 and asking His Father to find Him while dead and keep the promise in the law to raise Him to life again because of His obedience. Psalm 30 is His prayer of thanksgiving after being raised in answer to His prayers and the Father's promise.

The Bible teaches that the law was given by angels.

Here:

Acts 7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Acts 7:52
Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

Acts 7:53
Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

And here:

Galatians 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

And here as well:

Hebrews 2:1
Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

Hebrews 2:2
For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

Hebrews 2:3
How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

Hebrews 2:4
God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

I recommend reading Acts 15. Some people were saying you need to be circumcised, i.e., keep the law of Moses, to be saved.

Acts 15
1Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.”

The apostles and elders had a meeting about it and disagreed. Peter explains further in the chapter, concluding with the following remarks.

Acts 15
19“It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

Galatians 3:19 is so amazing.

Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to Whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a Mediator.

The promise Paul is speaking of is the promise of salvation by faith. Yet the Seed is the Son as Paul tells us. The promise of life to the Son was in the law for His obedience to the law in saving us. He still had to have faith that His Father would keep His promise of life in the law to Him and raise Him to life again after He offered His life as a sacrifice for sin. His death was an act of obedience and love and faith.

Only those who insist God's laws no longer apply know what leads them to think this.

However, we are to believe God and his words . Not those who abrogate, change, the words to suit their unique Sophistry.
As they do this they presume to teach their word. Not God's.

And as we read, those who preach God's words will answer for every word, so too shall those who interpolate God's words in order to distract from what God actually teaches us.

The law was fulfilled in Jesus. He came for that purpose also. Not to abolish the law.

If the law no longer matters nor exists,as some may presume to teach here , they have to explain why Jesus said this: “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.''John 14:15.
Which is scripture that appears after Jesus assertion in Matthew 5:17 ''Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. ''

What needs be introduced here I think is the rest of that chapter as Jesus warns against abrogating that passage.
19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.


If Jesus abolished his law he would not have written it in our hearts so we are not far from them.

Hebrews 10:16“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,”

the law was also given to the Son as His path to life and being raised to life after giving His life as a sacrifice for sin. we need faith in Him for forgiveness but He was saved by His obedience and righteousness while also having faith in the Father to raise Him according to the promise of life in the law to Him. He loves the law because His obedience to it in giving His life saved Him from death. in that sense the law saves us too because the Son was completely obedient. That is why knowing Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer is so important. It shows His praise of the law as He prays to the Father for life because of His obedience in giving His life to save us, which only He could do.

You made this statement.
Jesus said if you look at a woman with lust in your heart then you have committed adultery.
If you call someone a fool, you have committed murder.
To even think the thought itself, is the crime.

Can you please explain your statement in the light of what Jesus said.

Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be answerable to the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be answerable to the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

Because Christians don't steal, or murder?????

like the Son said in verse 92

Psalm 119
92 Unless Your Torah had been My delight,
I would have perished in My affliction.

only He could pray that. He was raised because of His obedience to the law in giving His life to save us. we can say, unless Your Son had been my delight, i would have perished in my affliction.

WEll - let's see -
Is it O.K. to:
Murder?
Lie?
Steal?
Commit adultry?
Mistreat your parents?
Worship and serve OTHER gods?
Manufacture, and cause people to serve PHONY gods?
Rest in and trust somebody/something other than Jesus for our salvation?
Claim to be speaking God's word, when it's nothing but a lie?
Strongly desire to take possession of things/people that you have no right to??

Seems that the "ten Commandments" are pretty intrinsic -

WE all know that the "JEWISH THEOLOGIANS" invented a PILE of religious rules and regulations that had nothing to do with God's LAWS.

His commandment is to love one another as He has loved us. John 13:34 and 15:12,17. trying to live up to that one is more than most of us are capable of. talk about higher law.

I get your point, but this is a complicated matter to discuss. I say that because Paul, Peter, and James were all present at this meeting, and they all seemed to hold either themselves, or others, or both accountable to certain aspects of the law of Moses.

Paul:

Acts 23
1And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day. 2And the high priest Ananias commanded them that stood by him to smite him on the mouth. 3Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law? 4And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God's high priest? 5Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.

The bold-faced part was written in Exodus 22:28, and Paul certainly seemed to still hold himself accountable to it after becoming a Christian himself.

Peter:

1 Peter 1
13Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

The bold-faced part was written in Leviticus 11:44-45 and 19:2, and Peter certainly seemed to be holding Christians accountable to it after becoming a Christian himself.

James:

James 2
8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

The bold-faced part was written in Leviticus 19:18, and James certainly seemed to be admonishing Christians to fulfill the royal law by keeping it after becoming a Christian himself.

There are other examples that I could give from the New Testament, but I hope that you understand the point that I'm trying to make.

Thank you for proving God's law is still enforced. On some.

Seriously??? The words of the Bible are in fact the words of Jesus as well as those of the Holy Spirit. Does the Bible say that the Law of Moses has been abolished? Absolutely. So don't tell me I am presuming to correct the words of Christ. He came to fulfill the Law. He then fulfilled it. And He then ABOLISHED it. Read the epistle to the Hebrews.

As I said to another poster here, this is a complicated topic to discuss.

I've read the epistle to the Hebrews numerous times. It's basically an epistle full of contrasts between the Old Testament and the New Testament, and it's intended, among other things, to show us the supremacy of the latter to the former. When it comes to the matter of God's law, this is the contrast that we see:

Hebrews 8
7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

When this was written, was the Old Covenant or Old Testament decaying, and waxing old, and ready to vanish away?

Yes, it was, but what had already been said about the New Covenant or New Testament which was replacing it?

Under the New Covenant or New Testament, God will put his laws into our minds and write them in our hearts.

What laws?

That is the proverbial $64,000 question, and I believe that the Bible gives us the answer.

It should be obvious that that is a reference to the Ten Commandments. See Romans 13. We need to always distinguish between the Law of Moses (which even though it includes the Ten Commandments stretches all the way from Exodus to Deuteronomy) and the Law of Christ (where the Ten Commandments have been distilled into one commandment -- the Law of Love). The Law of Moses is now null and void. The Law of Christ is in full force and the power of the Holy Spirit is also present.

I do believe that it is a reference to the Ten Commandments, but I also believe that the author described how the commandment regarding the Sabbath pertains to New Testament believers in chapters 3 and 4 of this epistle.

At the same time, as I mentioned earlier in another post, there are definitely places in the New Testament where the writers themselves placed themselves and others under other Old Testament commandments which are contained in the law of Moses in a broader sense. Anyway, I'm definitely not preaching the law of Moses as a standard of obtaining righteousness, but some of it still applies to us today as New Testament saints.