BIDEN PROMOTES TRANSGENDER SURGERY FOR CHILDREN

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GardenofWeeden

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We are not talking about people born with birth defects and deformities, we are talking about mutilating people who would have otherwise had the opportunity to lead a completely normal life.
People paying $40k a year to have their children groomed, doesn't add to that topic. Gotcha. Cool.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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#62
We need to pray. We could also lobby state legislators to impose heavy penalties on doctors who mutilate children's private parts ( exclude male circumcision for religious reasons):

Minimum 20 years and fine of 95 percent of net worth to be split between the state and a fund for victims who may sue the doctor. Lesser, but still severe penalties for puberty blockers.


If we could get this into law quick maybe we can do it before mutilating kids is a settled legal issue like falsely so-called 'gay marriage' and the media and politicians start calling those who oppose child molestation and beastiality 'bigots'.
What does the law on the books say about that crime already?
 
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The OP is about children .
No, the OP is about surgery. Obviously, children don't make their own decisions about surgery. So, either a decision is made for a child by his/her parent or guardian, or the person decides for themselves. Either way, people should have the freedom to decide on their own without government interference.
 
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We are not talking about people born with birth defects and deformities, we are talking about mutilating people who would have otherwise had the opportunity to lead a completely normal life.
What makes you think that transgender surgery prevents people from living "normal lives" (what ever that means)?
 
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There's lots of definitions of "freedom".
Show me one example in the Bible of the "freedom" given by God for two sodomites to marry?

There were a group of 7-10 year olds offering freedom to a neighborhood queer. He was climbing up a cliff and the children tried to untie it from the post and free him from his rope. That's one good reason little boys should always carry the pocket knives their daddies issued to them. Sometimes Knotts are too hard for weak hands to untie. That's the kind of freedom that queer needed.

God put it much better.
"“It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.”
This is, at best, irrational. What are you trying to say?
 
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Why didn't he have the same consideration when it came to the Covid shot?
Even though this is off-topic... There was/is no Federal law requiring anyone to get a COVID vaccination, with the exception of those in the military and (possibly) federal contractors. I don't know the specifics, but the first part of the sentence applies.
 

Papermonkey

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What does the law on the books say about that crime already?
I don't know how this new permission for genital augmentation can be allowed for minor children.

If a court defense in a criminal proceeding involving a minor child dependent is able to argue the child's age and lack of mental development precluded them knowing the full ramifications behind their crime, how can the medical profession be led to believe a young male child is able to decide they want surgery on their male parts so to become
a surgical replica of the female anatomy?


This surgery does not let males nor females become anatomically functioning members of the opposite sex. Rather, the surgery is providing opposite gender accessories for appearance sake.
Furthermore, we know children's hormones are still developing until they reach a certain age.An age unique to the individual.

Transition programs entail a cocktail of prescription drugs to chemically block and alter natural body hormone chemistry.
Blocking hormones in minors when their natural hormones are not yet fully balanced in my view is child abuse.

That's now lawful.

A long time ago I heard it said the mark of the beast isn't a number, but a symbol.
If we go with the theory it is a number maybe it has already arrived.

666
Today newborns are issued their individual serial number,social security number, while still in hospital. It is comprised of 9 digits.

It is said there are many dimensions beyond what we know as this third one. And that each dimension has a mirror opposite linked to it.
Think of looking in a mirror while wearing a shirt with a number embossed. That number in the mirrors reflection appears in reverse.

What if the mark of the beast we've been looking for is not only here already, because you cannot buy or sell without a SSN, but in that dimensional reverse model arrived as those 9 SS numbers in a three dimensional trap.

999 in mirror 3 dimensional reverse becomes 666.
Every person bearing that number is tied to the beast system.
And now the beast, not an individual but a system, is pulling those ties and drawing this world into its mirror opposite. What if Dualism, a heresy in our theology, is actually the platform this world where the enemy is LORD, is built upon.

Father God didn't arrive as Yeshua, God with us, so to save us from God's punishment.
Yeshua, Jesus, came to save us from the world and death that arrived when Adam and Eve bowed to Satan in the garden and let consume them,after they consumed the fruit, (we shall know them by their fruits. The fruit of the spirit is.....), giving understanding,gnosis,of both good and evil.

The evil one is getting his way now with voracious capacity and drive.

It started centuries ago by demeaning one image of Father, the female. Cleaving the one in twain. Misaligning the balance.

Right under Father's nose he's testing God's creation to lead us to the opposite of Father's spirit. And laws of God's creation.

In the beginning....Father created us in Father's image and likeness. Male and Female created they him......

Now, certain of us are of a mind we can create ourselves in the opposite image of God by our will.

And the antichrist is that which gives that dual nature abomination man's law permission on Earth. Which is opposed,the power of the opposer, to God's law. God's natural law. Male and Female.

The enemy is making the 3 dimensional world the mirror opposite of Father's. The enemies disciples are at work serving his will to that end.

Un-Male and Un-Female creates he them.

''The whole world lies in the power of the evil one. ''
 

Papermonkey

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No, the OP is about surgery. Obviously, children don't make their own decisions about surgery. So, either a decision is made for a child by his/her parent or guardian, or the person decides for themselves. Either way, people should have the freedom to decide on their own without government interference.
No. The OP is about children.
 
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At CF.Net he said he use to be an atheist. Then God healed him and he claimed to be a very serious Christian ever since.
https://christianforums.net/search/754133/

Fruits.
That is correct. I used to be an atheist, but was healed by Jesus Christ while hospitalized in 1977.

HealthandHappiness wrote "This was Jaybo butting into my conversation with someone. Tell me if you think he was being sarcastic or if he truly is a wicked, callous person." Apparently, he or she doesn't understand that this is a forum, a group discussion. Anyone forum member can participate. If one wants to have a private conversation then s/he can do so.

When I post, it is very rarely (if ever) sarcasm. And I am not, by any stretch of someone's imagination, a wicked, callous person. That is just total nonsense.
 

Cameron143

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Even though this is off-topic... There was/is no Federal law requiring anyone to get a COVID vaccination, with the exception of those in the military and (possibly) federal contractors. I don't know the specifics, but the first part of the sentence applies.
You are woefully under informed. Millions of Americans were forced to choose between employment and shots. And your haste not to condemn such a practice but to merely mention it and gloss over it confirms the truth of my statement.
To address another point you made, while our constitution does make provision for individuals to pursue happiness as they choose, the constitution doesn't preclude morality. In fact, because of our judeo-christian heritage coupled with our European roots, morality is built in.
Further, it is incumbent upon those who God has given the authority to govern to do so according to His directive. I will grant you that few do. But men's failures do not mitigate their responsibilities.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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#72
The OP is about children .
I don't know how this new permission for genital augmentation can be allowed for minor children.

If a court defense in a criminal proceeding involving a minor child dependent is able to argue the child's age and lack of mental development precluded them knowing the full ramifications behind their crime, how can the medical profession be led to believe a young male child is able to decide they want surgery on their male parts so to become
a surgical replica of the female anatomy?


This surgery does not let males nor females become anatomically functioning members of the opposite sex. Rather, the surgery is providing opposite gender accessories for appearance sake.
Furthermore, we know children's hormones are still developing until they reach a certain age.An age unique to the individual.

Transition programs entail a cocktail of prescription drugs to chemically block and alter natural body hormone chemistry.
Blocking hormones in minors when their natural hormones are not yet fully balanced in my view is child abuse.

That's now lawful.

A long time ago I heard it said the mark of the beast isn't a number, but a symbol.
If we go with the theory it is a number maybe it has already arrived.

666
Today newborns are issued their individual serial number,social security number, while still in hospital. It is comprised of 9 digits.

It is said there are many dimensions beyond what we know as this third one. And that each dimension has a mirror opposite linked to it.
Think of looking in a mirror while wearing a shirt with a number embossed. That number in the mirrors reflection appears in reverse.

What if the mark of the beast we've been looking for is not only here already, because you cannot buy or sell without a SSN, but in that dimensional reverse model arrived as those 9 SS numbers in a three dimensional trap.

999 in mirror 3 dimensional reverse becomes 666.
Every person bearing that number is tied to the beast system.
And now the beast, not an individual but a system, is pulling those ties and drawing this world into its mirror opposite. What if Dualism, a heresy in our theology, is actually the platform this world where the enemy is LORD, is built upon.

Father God didn't arrive as Yeshua, God with us, so to save us from God's punishment.
Yeshua, Jesus, came to save us from the world and death that arrived when Adam and Eve bowed to Satan in the garden and let consume them,after they consumed the fruit, (we shall know them by their fruits. The fruit of the spirit is.....), giving understanding,gnosis,of both good and evil.

The evil one is getting his way now with voracious capacity and drive.

It started centuries ago by demeaning one image of Father, the female. Cleaving the one in twain. Misaligning the balance.

Right under Father's nose he's testing God's creation to lead us to the opposite of Father's spirit. And laws of God's creation.

In the beginning....Father created us in Father's image and likeness. Male and Female created they him......

Now, certain of us are of a mind we can create ourselves in the opposite image of God by our will.

And the antichrist is that which gives that dual nature abomination man's law permission on Earth. Which is opposed,the power of the opposer, to God's law. God's natural law. Male and Female.

The enemy is making the 3 dimensional world the mirror opposite of Father's. The enemies disciples are at work serving his will to that end.

Un-Male and Un-Female creates he them.

''The whole world lies in the power of the evil one. ''
I used to hear from my Lutheran boss that the SS# was considered the mark of the beast by many when it was introduced until the 1970s. I think that was the beginning of the Satanic plan to get people used to the idea of referring to themselves as numbered and subservient to the central system of new power. Since Revelation 13-14 doesn't tell us if that until the tribulation period, the SS number must be a precursor. I will agree that it is certainly unjust and one is unable to travel by car or jet now without one. State IDs require them. Police require them to allow their subjects freedom of mobility. The banks won't allow an account to be opened without them. Even churches must have a state BUSINESS License in order to have an account, receive and write checks. It's a wicked system, no doubt about it.

As to the law on the books, God's books are simpler and just compared to American jurisprudence. I believe that the same penalty would apply to physicians as it would to the molesters in a world as God intended. There were laws to verify evidence, witnesses and guilt. Once that verdict was established by the judge, for instance a nonconsensual crime, the sentence was to be carried out immediately. I don't know what it is in the states today, but I have a group of laws on the books from the early American colonies until the 1970s of various states.
 

Papermonkey

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That is correct. I used to be an atheist, but was healed by Jesus Christ while hospitalized in 1977.

HealthandHappiness wrote "This was Jaybo butting into my conversation with someone. Tell me if you think he was being sarcastic or if he truly is a wicked, callous person." Apparently, he or she doesn't understand that this is a forum, a group discussion. Anyone forum member can participate. If one wants to have a private conversation then s/he can do so.

When I post, it is very rarely (if ever) sarcasm. And I am not, by any stretch of someone's imagination, a wicked, callous person. That is just total nonsense.
I believe your own words speak from the heart.
 

oyster67

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What makes you think that transgender surgery prevents people from living "normal lives" (what ever that means)?
No absolutes in jaybo land.

You need an Anchor, my friend.

Repent and call upon the Lord and find the Truth in His Word while you still have time.
 
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We need to pray. We could also lobby state legislators to impose heavy penalties on doctors who mutilate children's private parts ( exclude male circumcision for religious reasons):

Minimum 20 years and fine of 95 percent of net worth to be split between the state and a fund for victims who may sue the doctor. Lesser, but still severe penalties for puberty blockers.


If we could get this into law quick maybe we can do it before mutilating kids is a settled legal issue like falsely so-called 'gay marriage' and the media and politicians start calling those who oppose child molestation and beastiality 'bigots'.
This would perhaps work in a dictatorship, but I'm thankful that I live in a democracy that protects people's rights.

And then you switch to "so-called gay marriage", which is another example of individual's rights under law. And then you bring in beastiality! Any further unrelated topics that you want to bring into the subject of transgender surgery?
 
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#77
No absolutes in jaybo land.

You need an Anchor, my friend.

Repent and call upon the Lord and find the Truth in His Word while you still have time.
Of course this is not a meaningful reply to my post. I wrote "What makes you think that transgender surgery prevents people from living "normal lives" (what ever that means)?" and you make these strange statements.

No absolutes? I need an Anchor? Repent and call upon the Lord and find the Truth in His Word while you still have time?

The first two are meaningless. I have a very, very close relationship with the Lord; He has given me the Holy Spirit to guide me into all truth. I suggest that you repent and call upon the Lord and find the truth in His Word while you still have time. You might start by reading the parable about the tax collector (Luke 18:9-14).
 
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#78
What makes you think that transgender surgery prevents people from living "normal lives" (what ever that means)?
I think mentally or physically impaired people can lead normal lives, relatively speaking, but will probably require some accommodations.
 

oyster67

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Of course this is not a meaningful reply to my post. I wrote "What makes you think that transgender surgery prevents people from living "normal lives" (what ever that means)?"
You have no clue what normal is?
He has given me the Holy Spirit to guide me into all truth.
Obviously not.
 

Papermonkey

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This would perhaps work in a dictatorship, but I'm thankful that I live in a democracy that protects people's rights.

And then you switch to "so-called gay marriage", which is another example of individual's rights under law. And then you bring in beastiality! Any further unrelated topics that you want to bring into the subject of transgender surgery?
I think you make the mistake in your rationale because you argue from the false perspective that Christianity is tolerant and promotes freedom.

This is patently false as the Bible proves. As does also the history of the faith.

I will not cite supporting scripture because those should be known among the faithful already.

Homosexuality is an abomination unto the Lord. As is Transsexuality, when were told there
shall not be a garment of a man on a woman, and a man will not wear the garment of a woman, because everyone who does these things is defiled before LORD JEHOVAH your God.


You continue to reiterate and glorify man's law in your arguments against God's word.
However Christians are not suppose to be of this world though we live in it. And we certainly do not glorify and defend sins God identified as detestable and abomination to him.

Our brother is correct. You are only pretending to your eternal detriment. You are not an example of a former atheist.

Rather, you are an example of one posing as a member in Christ's body. Someone who is so dedicated to contrarianism as to not realize scripture destroys your worldly advocacy for carnal sins and immoral depravity. Your advocacy for those articles of damnation and heralding of the freedom to engage in them is in opposition to righteousness and God's creation.
And God is not fooled. Nor should we be.

You speak against scripture because in truth it means nothing to you.
God knows you'll regret that.