What Describes You Best?
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I have no idea what pelagian is. I'm not arminian either.
If arminian means salvation is by grace thru faith I can agree with it.. but usually it means this salvation even though eternal.. can be lossed.
I don't agree with it being able to be lossed, nor that someone can leave God. Salvation isn't owned by the receiver of it.. but by the Giver.
If pelegian means calvinist.. im not that either.
Limited atonement I don't accept.
God will save anyone who entrusts their salvation with Him.
Irresistible grace I don't accept.
God doesn't force people to place their faith in Him. He does have to draw them first.. but the person can choose to reject salvation.
Unconditional election I don't accept.
People need to call for salvation.
Perseverance of the saints ..
Should be preservation of the saved if it means eternal security. There is no guarantee a saved person WILL be faithful to the end.
If arminian means salvation is by grace thru faith I can agree with it.. but usually it means this salvation even though eternal.. can be lossed.
I don't agree with it being able to be lossed, nor that someone can leave God. Salvation isn't owned by the receiver of it.. but by the Giver.
If pelegian means calvinist.. im not that either.
Limited atonement I don't accept.
God will save anyone who entrusts their salvation with Him.
Irresistible grace I don't accept.
God doesn't force people to place their faith in Him. He does have to draw them first.. but the person can choose to reject salvation.
Unconditional election I don't accept.
People need to call for salvation.
Perseverance of the saints ..
Should be preservation of the saved if it means eternal security. There is no guarantee a saved person WILL be faithful to the end.
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All of those options are way off and pelagianism is a heresy.
Its really fairly simple. Your own will is only good for rejecting God. If one is condemned it will be by his own will that he rejected God. If one is saved it is by the will of God. All one needs to do is read the letter to the Romans.
Its really fairly simple. Your own will is only good for rejecting God. If one is condemned it will be by his own will that he rejected God. If one is saved it is by the will of God. All one needs to do is read the letter to the Romans.
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I'm a Thomist. Catholic Christians, like me, generally go with St. Augustine and St. Thomas - two imo of the Greatest Theologians who ever lived - on such deep matters of Theology. (1) God gives all Sufficient Grace to be saved. (2) When man consents to God, God Himself deserves the Glory for this. (3) Predestination to Grace, or Adoption, is entirely Gracious/Undeserved/Unmerited. (4) Once placed in the State of Grace, or having received the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit, by faith in Christ as Lord and Savior, man can then do Good Works deserving/earning merits/rewards. This has always been understood as those Treasures in Heaven the Lord told us to store in Mat 6: "Store your Treasures in Heaven". (5) The Grace of Final Perseverance, which confirms and preserves us in the Faith, is also Gracious and Unmerited. After Justification, we must patiently Pray, do Good Works, Love God and our Neighbor, Forgive, even our enemies, and wait for this Grace. In due time, this Second Grace, of Perseverance, after Justification, which we ask for in the Lord's Prayer, will be given, and after that, we will never fall away from the Faith, and thus receive complete salvation, and go to Heaven when we die. See Rom 2:6-7 also.
After reading many Bible texts, I find this imo to be the best summary. But, the Good News is, we don't need to be Theologians to be saved. Let's not rashly anathematize or excommunicate each other imo. But explain what we find convincing and why. I like the above view also because it challenges and motivates me to give my best for the Lord Jesus.
God Bless.
After reading many Bible texts, I find this imo to be the best summary. But, the Good News is, we don't need to be Theologians to be saved. Let's not rashly anathematize or excommunicate each other imo. But explain what we find convincing and why. I like the above view also because it challenges and motivates me to give my best for the Lord Jesus.
God Bless.
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Thanks for sharing @XavierJesusLovesIndia. You've given me a new topic to research, much appreciated.
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