What Describes You Best?

[NOV25]

Please choose one that best describes your position regarding man's role in salvation.

 

[wattie]

Please choose one that best describes your position regarding man's role in salvation.

I have no idea what pelagian is. I'm not arminian either.

If arminian means salvation is by grace thru faith I can agree with it.. but usually it means this salvation even though eternal.. can be lossed.

I don't agree with it being able to be lossed, nor that someone can leave God. Salvation isn't owned by the receiver of it.. but by the Giver.

If pelegian means calvinist.. im not that either.

Limited atonement I don't accept.

God will save anyone who entrusts their salvation with Him.

Irresistible grace I don't accept.

God doesn't force people to place their faith in Him. He does have to draw them first.. but the person can choose to reject salvation.

Unconditional election I don't accept.

People need to call for salvation.

Perseverance of the saints ..

Should be preservation of the saved if it means eternal security. There is no guarantee a saved person WILL be faithful to the end.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

All of those options are way off and pelagianism is a heresy.
Its really fairly simple. Your own will is only good for rejecting God. If one is condemned it will be by his own will that he rejected God. If one is saved it is by the will of God. All one needs to do is read the letter to the Romans.

 

[Snacks]

Christian

 

[ResidentAlien]

None of those fit me. I don't know what any of them even mean and don't really care (no offense). I do know I'm a believer in and follower of the Way, the Truth and the Life.

 

[notmyown]

Please choose one that best describes your position regarding man's role in salvation.

monergist

 

[wattie]

Ah I found out pelegianism is nothing to do with calvinism. It messes with original sin.. so I can't agree with pelegianism either.

 

[NOV25]

Ah I found out pelegianism is nothing to do with calvinism. It messes with original sin.. so I can't agree with pelegianism either.

Thank you @wattie I hoped this thread would inspire research. Please keep us updated.

 

[NOV25]

None of those fit me. I don't know what any of them even mean and don't really care…

Ignorance is bliss right? I hear ya 😄👍

 

[NOV25]

All of those options are way off and pelagianism is a heresy.
Its really fairly simple. Your own will is only good for rejecting God. If one is condemned it will be by his own will that he rejected God. If one is saved it is by the will of God. All one needs to do is read the letter to the Romans.

I agree with all of that except the first half of the first sentence, there's an option for everyone. 😉

 

[ResidentAlien]

Ignorance is bliss right? I hear ya

No, not ignorance; you left out the rest of my post. I know exactly Whom I serve.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Please choose one that best describes your position regarding man's role in salvation.

No Christians needs to take on any of those labels. The fact of the matter is that TULIP itself is heresy -- a false gospel. And all false gospels are accursed (Galatians 1).

 

[NOV25]

No, not ignorance; you left out the rest of my post. I know exactly Whom I serve.

Don't know, don't want to know, don't care; the epitome of "ignorance is bliss". It was a fair response.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Don't know, don't want to know, don't care; the epitome of "ignorance is bliss". It was a fair response.

You're right, I don't want to know. If that makes me ignorant in your eyes then so be it, I'll take it as a compliment.

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

I'm a Thomist. Catholic Christians, like me, generally go with St. Augustine and St. Thomas - two imo of the Greatest Theologians who ever lived - on such deep matters of Theology. (1) God gives all Sufficient Grace to be saved. (2) When man consents to God, God Himself deserves the Glory for this. (3) Predestination to Grace, or Adoption, is entirely Gracious/Undeserved/Unmerited. (4) Once placed in the State of Grace, or having received the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit, by faith in Christ as Lord and Savior, man can then do Good Works deserving/earning merits/rewards. This has always been understood as those Treasures in Heaven the Lord told us to store in Mat 6: "Store your Treasures in Heaven". (5) The Grace of Final Perseverance, which confirms and preserves us in the Faith, is also Gracious and Unmerited. After Justification, we must patiently Pray, do Good Works, Love God and our Neighbor, Forgive, even our enemies, and wait for this Grace. In due time, this Second Grace, of Perseverance, after Justification, which we ask for in the Lord's Prayer, will be given, and after that, we will never fall away from the Faith, and thus receive complete salvation, and go to Heaven when we die. See Rom 2:6-7 also.

After reading many Bible texts, I find this imo to be the best summary. But, the Good News is, we don't need to be Theologians to be saved. Let's not rashly anathematize or excommunicate each other imo. But explain what we find convincing and why. I like the above view also because it challenges and motivates me to give my best for the Lord Jesus.

God Bless.

 

[Eli1]

Weird.

 

[NOV25]

You're right, I don't want to know. If that makes me ignorant in your eyes then so be it, I'll take it as a compliment.

I simply pointed out the fact that your statement was the epitome of "ignorance is bliss". It's your statement and that's what it means, don't get mad at me for pointing out linguistic facts.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I simply pointed out the fact that your statement was the epitome of "ignorance is bliss". It's your statement and that's what it means, don't get mad at me for pointing out linguistic facts.

No worries, not mad at you bro.

 

[NOV25]

I'm a Thomist. Catholic Christians, like me, generally go with St. Augustine and St. Thomas - two imo of the Greatest Theologians who ever lived - on such deep matters of Theology. (1) God gives all Sufficient Grace to be saved. (2) When man consents to God, God Himself deserves the Glory for this. (3) Predestination to Grace, or Adoption, is entirely Gracious/Undeserved/Unmerited. (4) Once placed in the State of Grace, or having received the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit, by faith in Christ as Lord and Savior, man can then do Good Works deserving/earning merits/rewards. This has always been understood as those Treasures in Heaven the Lord told us to store in Mat 6: "Store your Treasures in Heaven". (5) The Grace of Final Perseverance, which confirms and preserves us in the Faith, is also Gracious and Unmerited. After Justification, we must patiently Pray, do Good Works, Love God and our Neighbor, Forgive, even our enemies, and wait for this Grace. In due time, this Second Grace, of Perseverance, after Justification, which we ask for in the Lord's Prayer, will be given, and after that, we will never fall away from the Faith, and thus receive complete salvation, and go to Heaven when we die. See Rom 2:6-7 also.

After reading many Bible texts, I find this imo to be the best summary. But, the Good News is, we don't need to be Theologians to be saved. Let's not rashly anathematize or excommunicate each other imo. But explain what we find convincing and why. I like the above view also because it challenges and motivates me to give my best for the Lord Jesus.

God Bless.

Thanks for sharing @XavierJesusLovesIndia. You've given me a new topic to research, much appreciated.

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Thanks for sharing @XavierJesusLovesIndia. You've given me a new topic to research, much appreciated.

Welcome. Thanks for your kind response. And for starting this thread.

As the Bible says: "Let's consider how to stir one another to Love and Good Works"

God Bless.