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Yidish

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Amen - Jesus is God- The Logos Word- or, Utterance of God when He spoke Himself into flesh through immaculate conception. So many awesome scriptures y'all have posted say so- so many in the Old Testament solidify them. Thank God for JESUS!
 

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On the Jewish law of agency I was mentioning: from https://thehumanjesus.org/2017/04/09/shaliah-the-law-of-agency/

The Encyclopedia of the Jewish Religion, R.J.Z. Werblowsky, G. Wigoder, 1986, p. 15.
“Agent (Heb. Shaliah): The main point of the Jewish law of agency is expressed in the dictum, “a person’s agent is regarded as the person himself” (Ned. 72B; Kidd, 41b). Therefore any act committed by a duly appointed agent is regarded as having been committed by the principal, who therefore bears full responsibility for it with consequent complete absence of liability on the part of the agent.”

So this in relation to Jesus doing things 'by the hand of the Father'--- saying 'I am the Father are one'.. and 'if I do things by the hand of the Father' etc..

Those hearing Jesus say that as Jews would see that as “a person’s agent is regarded as the person himself” -- so the reason for wanting to stone Jesus and accusing Him of blasphemy. They would see Jesus claiming equality with the Father.

The only thing would be.. I guess the second part of the definition of this wouldn't so much apply to Jesus with the agent having no liability. Jesus would carry the liability as much as the Father would.
 
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1 Jn 3:16: God laid down His Life for us. Hence, Jesus is God:

"16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Who laid down His Life for us? Jesus! But whom does the Bible say laid down His Life for us? God. Hence, Jesus is God. Simple. :)
 

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It must be closely noted that Paul always referred to the Father as God and Jesus as Lord; Peter also did the same and Jesus also did the same.
1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour

1 Saviour and he is God Isaiah 43:11, Jesus is the saviour of the world 1 John 4:42

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. = Jesus

He also said

10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
4 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

That's why Jesus said you must be born again, God sends the spirit of his son into our hearts that cries out father
 
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1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour

1 Saviour and he is God Isaiah 43:11, Jesus is the saviour of the world 1 John 4:42

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. = Jesus

He also said

10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
4 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

That's why Jesus said you must be born again, God sends the spirit of his son into our hearts that cries out father
God and Jesus are both saviors. God sent Jesus so God is the savior. Jesus did all his Father required of him so Jesus is also the savior. However, Jesus, Paul, and Peter always made distinctions between God and the Messiah.

I'll just show some verses that say such.

God the savior:
1 Timothy 1
1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope,

1 Timothy 2
3This is good, and pleases God our Savior,

1 Timothy 4
10That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

Titus 1
3and which now at his appointed season he has brought to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior,

Jesus the savior:
2 Peter 1
11and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 2
20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

2 Peter 3
18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
 

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A new hernia? So another one?
Yes, this one is related to the colon reversal surgery. Also, he lifted a small AC Unit even after I told him I will help you. The AC unit was so light, I could lift it with one hand. The Doctor months ago told him his lifting limit was less than 20 lbs. He is altistic and wants to please everyone. My should surgery limit is a cup of coffee and I seen to be able to lift a lot more than before with my good shoulder.
 

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Some call that discernment.
Some call that malarkey.
First time I've heard it called pain but frankly that's as good as either of the others.

Pain does work for what you posted. However I was referring to the pain of complete shoulder surgery. I learned today the cost of the metal they put in my shoulder was more expensive then our two cars. I told my wife when I go to heaven to have the undertaker remove the metal, clean it and give it to her. Then to find a finacial adviser to sell the metal. Back in March the value of that metal was $75,000 currently worth $52,000. Checking its history it is always of higher value in the middle of summer due to demand.
 

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I agree with the Father being distinct to the Son. Not one persona. Two personas. And with the Holy Spirit .. three distinct personas. But actual seperation I don't see. Because the way the interelate isn't of seperateness. What the Father does, the Son does and the Holy Spirit does.

Jesus sends the Comforter-- yet it is Jesus who can be 'in the midst' of a church.

So.. just to clarify I don't see Jesus as the Father. But because they are part of the one triune God.. they are not seperate in that way.
I have always wondered if the Son of God, Father and Holy Spirit have one will or three wills.
Clearly as a man Jesus would have a human will.
 

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100 Bible Verses About Jesus is God
Here are 100 Bible verses about Jesus is God from the Old and New Testaments of the Holy Bible (King James Version), sorted from most to least relevant.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 10:30
I and my Father are one.
John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
 

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1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
John 10:30-33
I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Hebrews 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
John 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 10:33
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Matthew 14:33
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
 

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Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Exodus 3:14
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Matthew 28:9
And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Colossians 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Colossians 2:9-10
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
John 14:9-11
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
Hebrews 1:2-3
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
John 5:17-18
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
 

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Colossians 1:15-17
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Luke 1:37
For with God nothing shall be impossible.
Romans 9:5
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Matthew 2:11
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
Philippians 2:5-8
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Micah 5:2
But thou, Beth-lehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Hebrews 1:1-3
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
John 20:27-28
Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
John 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Colossians 1:16-17
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Revelation 2:8
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
John 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Isaiah 41:10
Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
John 9:35-38
Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
1 Timothy 6:14-16
That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Philippians 2:5-7
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 6:38
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Daniel 7:13-14
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
John 20:31
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Philippians 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Revelation 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Isaiah 45:23
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Acts 2:22
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
John 9:38
And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
Psalms 27:1
The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
 

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Agreed, but what verse says the Son of God freely renounced all the privileges of his power to come down from heaven? When did the Father give it back?
I will be kicked off soon.

As to the question, When did the Father give it back?

I am guessing it has to do with glory.

Mark 10:37
They asked him, “Let us sit in your glory, one on your right and one on your left.”

Luke 24:26
The Messiah had to suffer these things and then enter his glory, didn’t he?”

John 8:54
Jesus answered, “If I were trying to glorify myself, my glory would mean nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’

John 17:5
“So now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world existed.

John 17:24
Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am and to see my glory, which you gave me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

Acts 7:55
But Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

Revelation 4:11
“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory, honor, and power, because you created all things; they came into existence and were created because of your will.”

Revelation 5:12
They sang with a loud voice, “Worthy is the lamb who was slaughtered to receive power, wealth, wisdom, strength, honor, glory, and praise!”

Revelation 5:13
I heard every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea, and everything that is in them, saying, “To the one who sits on the throne and to the lamb be praise, honor, glory, and power forever and ever!”

Revelation 14:7
He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the time for him to judge has arrived. Worship the one who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

This is only my guess to answer your question, brother, friend.
 

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I will be kicked off soon.

As to the question, When did the Father give it back?

I am guessing it has to do with glory.

Mark 10:37
They asked him, “Let us sit in your glory, one on your right and one on your left.”

Luke 24:26
The Messiah had to suffer these things and then enter his glory, didn’t he?”

John 8:54
Jesus answered, “If I were trying to glorify myself, my glory would mean nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’

John 17:5
“So now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world existed.

John 17:24
Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am and to see my glory, which you gave me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

Acts 7:55
But Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

Revelation 4:11
“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory, honor, and power, because you created all things; they came into existence and were created because of your will.”

Revelation 5:12
They sang with a loud voice, “Worthy is the lamb who was slaughtered to receive power, wealth, wisdom, strength, honor, glory, and praise!”

Revelation 5:13
I heard every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea, and everything that is in them, saying, “To the one who sits on the throne and to the lamb be praise, honor, glory, and power forever and ever!”

Revelation 14:7
He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the time for him to judge has arrived. Worship the one who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

This is only my guess to answer your question, brother, friend.
Thank you very much sir for posting those verses ! :)
 

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God and Jesus are both saviors.
There is one savior.....Isaiah 43:1 but he saves from many things, You need to ask who can save your soul

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

The baptism isn't water

John talked about one that would come after that would baptize with Holy Ghost and with fire
 

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To a degree.. but He would always do the will of the Father. Bound to it perfectly.
Hi wattie, Some verses for thought or to discuss

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

As an example "thy word is truth. " John 17:17"

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

So the word will always testify of the truth

The way i see it is Jesus will is to glorify his Father in heaven, and the work of God is to believe in the one that he sent
 

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I have always wondered if the Son of God, Father and Holy Spirit have one will or three wills.
Clearly as a man Jesus would have a human will.
He laid it down to do his fathers will, pretty cool he went into the desert weak and starving confronting the enemy as his weakest in the form of man been tempted on all sides yet without sin, Id want to chuck him off the cliff.....wouldn't be ideal, hope your shoulder is doing ok, i can kinda relate.......not to the expensive metal but maybe the the pain associated, wish you all the best
 
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There is one savior.....Isaiah 43:1 but he saves from many things, You need to ask who can save your soul

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

The baptism isn't water

John talked about one that would come after that would baptize with Holy Ghost and with fire
1. God the Father does the saving.

John 3:16,17
16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

2. All things came from God the Father.

1 Corinthians 8:6
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

3. The gospel came from God the Father and was given through Jesus Christ.

John 7:16
16Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.

4. Salvation is the gift of God the Father.

Ephesians 2
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

5. The gospel of the power of God the Father.

Romans 1:16
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

6. God the Father did all of the saving through Jesus Christ.

Titus 3:4-6
4But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

7. God the Father gives eternal life if someone is in Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:23
23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.