Observing the sabbath???

QUOTE: Repent of your sins, Accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, Obey Him as your Lord, Keep His Commandments out of Love for Him and Pray the Lord's Prayer morning, evening and night every day. You will Grow in His Grace and not be lost, for God will give you the Grace of Final Perseverance. In Lord Jesus' Name. Amen. :END QUOTE.



I am sorry Brother but you made a couple errors in Quoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but Let me Prove it to you.

I cringe every time that someone on TV tells his audience, "Just accept Jesus Christ as your SAVIOR." That is not what the Bible Teaches. You receive him as YOUR LORD, then He becomes you Savior, BUT when does that Salvation is a A DONE DEAL. This may blow your mind, but here GOES.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved us- not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this Spirit on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the
hope of eternal life.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.

Acts 13:48 (NRSV)
48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and praised the word of the Lord; and as many as had been destined for eternal life became believers.

Romans 8:28-30 (ESV)
28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.
29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

Oh My, NONE OF IT IS BECAUSE OF OUR EFFORTS. ALL OF SALVATION IS BECAUSE OF THE LORDS WORK. There is Nothing we can do to earn SALVATION, it is ALL BECAUSE OF HIS GRACE.

So why do Christian want to serve the LORD ? ? ? You said, it is because we LOVE HIM. This will help you understand:

2 Corinthians 5:17-20 (ESV)
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.
20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

You see IF YOU ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN, that New Creation will be the dominant Part of YOU, you will want to obey, NOT AS A MEANS TO SALVATION, But as a way to show Love for HIM. That does not mean we are sinless, but sin is a rare incidence in the Born Again Christian life, not something happens daily. If it happens daily, you may not be truly Born Again. Then my advise would be truly repent, mourn over your sin, and SURRENDER to HIM, and let Him run your Life. Many People think they can keep Part of their life Just for THEMSELVES, and that is a lie. What Jesus wants, is for you to Crawl Into the Collection Plate, All of You, and give HIM all of You. HE will decide what HE wants to KEEP, and parts that HE wants to through in the Trash. Yes, that is a hard thing to do, but you will be Happier For It. But listen for the still voice in your heart and Learn to rely on it totally.

Back in the late 80's I heart that voice say, "It is finished" (trying to witness to my co-workers), "I want you to move west", from Nebraska. I did move west to northern California, two years later, the same message came again, HE wanted me to start a Prison Ministry in a new Prion. I had NO EXPERIENCE IN PRISON MINSTRY, not even Bible College. But over the years I collected over Sermon Tapes by Dr. John MacArthur, and a few others, and had listened to them over the years 4 times each. I was chose By HIM, start the Prison ministry in the newest super max Prison. HE did it all, and all I did was walk thru the Doors HE Opened. You see I knew and Trusted HIM, to give me what I lacked, to get that Prison Ministry Started.

That was over 500 hours of Bible Teachers, mostly by Dr. John MacArthur, and a few by Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. Richard Lee, Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. Ed Young, Dr. Gill Rugh, and a few by others, 4 times on each tape. All evangelical style of teachers, the Lord guided me to pick those kind of Teachers, because HE HAD A PLAN FOR MY LIFE. I felt like I had a good handle on the Word, almost like Bible College. I had a job in the Post Office at night, where I could listen to 3 one hour tapes a night, for Over 6 years, on my Headset Radio/Tape Player, and could work the Job I had at the same time. Yes I was super Hungry, to understand the word.

The bible is clear about which day is the Holy Sabbath.

The seventh day.
Creation makes it clear.

If God made it clear in the old Testament, and the new testament, which day is the sabbath, where did God say the sabbath was changed to Sunday?

Just because they gathered once on a Sunday does not mean it is the new Holy day.
We can gather everyday of the week and worship God and it does not change which day God made Holy.

God would have made it clear. But there is no verse in the bible that states, "sunday is the sabbath".

Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:
"But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."

The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why Do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

This is what the Catholic Church claims.

Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated February 10, 1920:
If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic Church.

Stephen Keenan, Catholic—Doctrinal Catechism 3rd Edition: 174:
Question: Have you any other way of proving the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the 7th day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.

Hi TMS. Well, that is one opinion of one Cardinal. Let's consult what the Early Church Fathers said on the subject: “But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead.” (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]) https://www.churchfathers.org/sabbath

The Early Christians did consider Sunday to be the Lord's Day and of special prominence in the NT. Even in the Gospel, the first Communion Service/Mass was on Resurrection Sunday itself, as a close reading will show.

Luk 24: Christ rises from the dead on the Sunday. On the Same Day, He breaks bread with the Disciples on Emmaus Road:

"Jesus Has Risen
1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus ...

On the Road to Emmaus
13Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles a from Jerusalem. 14They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16but they were kept from recognizing him ...
28As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29But they urged him strongly, “Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.
30When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

If you want to keep Saturday holy, e.g. by a Communion service, or by works of charity, or evangelism, or anything else, go ahead. But Christians are not under OT law, otherwise we should also be circumcised and offer animal sacrifices. But we don't, and all agree we shouldn't and need not be. Most Christian denominations have communion services on Sunday.

The reason is the Lord rose from the dead on Sunday, the First Day of the week, which is also the day He made the world.

God Bless.

See this website also, which makes certain claims and has documentation about what the early Christians believed:

"There is much confusion on what the early church taught in regards to the Sabbath, the Lord’s Day, and the day of worship. The early Church Fathers never taught that the Sabbath was changed to the first day of the week. The traditional Christian teaching is that Christ died on Friday, was dead and in the grave during the Sabbath (Saturday), and He rose from the dead on the eight day or the first day of the week.

The teaching that the Sabbath changed to the first day of the week is a new teaching from the reformation. Below are key quotes from the early Church Fathers that clearly show that the Christian church gathered on the first day of the week and in no way believed that the first day of the week was the replacement for the Jewish Sabbath.

The Didache: 1. But every Lord’s day do ye gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.
(Didache Chapter XIV.11 —Christian Assembly on the Lord’s Day. 14 [A.D. 70]).

The Epistle of Barnabas: Further, He says to them, “Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure.” Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens.(The Epistle of Barnabas Chapter XV.—The false and the true Sabbath. [A.D. 74]).

https://apostles-creed.org/confessi...rch-fathers-on-the-sabbath-and-the-lords-day/

It doesn't matter what men say or claim to be true. The truth is found in the Bible not tradition.
The truth is what God says not man.

Men can claim that sunday is the new sabbath but if God did not change it, their claim is useless.

Where in the bible did God sanctify and make sunday holy?

Sure Jesus rose on sunday, but it did not change the sanctity of the sabbath.

The Lords day is Sabbath and sabbath is the seventh day of the week.
You haven't given any clear verses that prove anything different.

I haved gathered with others to worship God on every day of the week, but that does not change the Sabbath.

I choose to follow God not the tradition of man.

Gen 2:2-3
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Mar 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Act 13:42-44
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. .....44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Well, it matters what the Early Church believed, because many of them were taught directly by the Apostles. This includes Barnabas and Clement, who are mentioned in the Bible. Also, Scripture mentions the Lord's Day and the Church Fathers are clear that that is Sunday, the Lord's Day because He rose from the dead on that day.

But ok. Let's examine the Scriptures more:

Firstly, look how God says He is not pleased with their Sabbaths, suggesting He is going to change it in His New Covenant:

Isaiah 1:

"13...New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations— I cannot bear your worthless assemblies."

Accordingly, in the New Testament, we read, no one is to judge another Christian on New Moons and Sabbath observances.

Colossians 2:

"16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day."

And Paul would never have said this if New Moons or Sabbaths were still binding. Since he said it, neither New Moons or Sabbaths are obligatory in the New Covenant.

Beside that, the New Testament presents evidence that the Early Christian Community regularly gathered tithes etc on Sunday, as still happens today.

1 Corinthians 16:

"2On the first day of every week each one of you is to put something aside, in proportion to his prosperity, and save it so that no collections [will need to] be made when I come."

The Sabbath per se is not binding anymore imo. Jesus also expressed His displeasure many times with what the Scribes and the Pharisees had made of the Sabbath; they charged Him routinely with breaking it; He was more interested in doing Acts of Mercy on that day, including healing or helping one's neighbor, and offering worship to God also comes under that. And so I think Sunday is a good day to gather for communion and worship and there is NT precedence for that. Claiming the OT Sabbath is still binding is a bit like claiming Circumcision is still binding on Christians - which the Apostles rejected.

God Bless.

Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

That's not Catholic Church. That's New Testament letters to the brand new Christian Church.

Following the bible would be coming to Christ and receiving Rest from our work at the Law. A person doesn't show the Rest of Christ by doing what Pharisees think the Law says...

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Hebrews 4:1-3
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, ...

Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

If every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath found in the Ten Commandments not found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever commanded to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses? Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath, but were instructed regarding: Offerings: Genesis 4:3-4, Altars Genesis 8:20, Priests: Genesis 14:18, Tithes: Genesis 14:20, Circumcision: Genesis 17:10, Marriage: Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. Why would God leave out the Sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses?

The sabbath was made for man, namely, the Israelites. Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath,celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15)

In regards to Acts 13:42-44, Paul's work here was evangelism. Notice that these were "unbelievers" in Christ before Paul preached to them. Yes they believed in the Jewish system, but the Bible says in Acts 14:1, that they BECAME believers proving Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were certainly not Christians. Acts 13:43 "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together, and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Good reply Mailman.

The Sabbath day is simply a shadow of the future eternal rest in Christ.

The law itself was also a shadow and was fully fulfilled by Jesus Christ.

Behold, we are a new creation in Christ and under a new covenant, with new commandments.

The old has passed and the new has arrived.

You're not supposed to cause people to work on the Sabbath day. But serving the Lord, eating a feast, sharing time with family and friends is all great! Cheers.

All presumptions

The pharisees made many sabbath rules which God never intended. Jesus called them hypocrites which means a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion frount but doesn't practice it.

They did practice sabbath keeping like Jesus so they were hypocrites.

Jesus kept it perfectly. As our example.

Remember there were many sabbath's beside the weekly sabbath.

Yearly sabbaths endded at the cross with the cerimonial laws of ordinance.

Just because God was not pleased with how Israel kept the sabbath does not mean it was done away or changed.

Taking tithe or collecting money or setting money aside on sunday so they didn't do it when Paul came.
If he came to preach on sunday he would have got not offering. But Saturday....

You have made many presumptions with no evidence.

No evidence that sunday is the New Sabbath.

Being under the new covenant does not mean, we do not kill, we do not steal, we can take the Lords name in vain. The new covenant changed the agreement.
Things that were not perfect were changed. The moral law was perfect.
Hebrews explains it well, how things were pointing to Jesus, and didn't compare to the heavenly things.

The perfect law was not changed but God said He will write them on our hearts and in our minds.

The sabbath is not a shadow law.
The sabbath was established before sin and sanctified on the seventh day of creation. It was not a shadow of Christ, it was a gift from God before sin entered.

They didn't practice

Since the old covenant has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made obsolete the old covenant to legally put into place the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13) The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2) Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10) and out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

If sabbath day observance is still required today, then so would the burnt offerings that went along with them. (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath. (Exodus 35:3) Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath. (Exodus 16:29) No trading. (Amos 8:5) No marketing. (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19) These were commanded by God to Israel. (Exodus 35:1)

If keeping the weekly sabbath day is still in affect today, then why don't sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the Lord commanded in regards to it? If keeping the weekly sabbath day is still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that?

Is there a scripture that supports that notion?

So 9 out of 10 are to be kept today... the only one of the 10 commandments we are to forget is the one that God said to REMEMBER..

The civil law was not part of the 10 commandments.

The civil law was part of the Jewish nations laws for ordering and controlling the people.

The moral law says.....
Exo 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Nothing in the commandment about the death penalty...

James tells us to keep all 10.

Jas 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

If the so called yearly Sabbaths have been annulled, then the weekly Sabbath has also been annulled.

Your missing the point completely.

The law itself was retired.

You cannot dismiss hundreds of laws and think for one moment, that the law is still an active entity.

You are in denial of Christ's fulfillment of the law.