How many People Think the Jews Could Be Wrong?

Agreed.

Speaking to the Samaritan woman, Messiah said:

John 4:21-24
21“ Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”


There has been a steady progression of the truth of the Living God throughout mankind's time here, as He would first use the tangible (physical) to express truths, gradually moving to the intangible (spiritual) as humanity matured in Him.

So after the announcement of the Messiah as "the temple" followed by the 70ad destruction of Jerusalem, there will no longer be a physical temple constructed where the Spirit of the Living God will dwell in.

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Biblical Factoid: It is only when The Spirit entered into a physical place that it became His dwelling, which was after the people followed His instructions to consecrate it.

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No structure is the temple of the Living God until the Living God dwells in it. People can't simply build a structure and make it so.

...With that said, Revelation does speak about His heavenly temple descending from heaven to earth. I believe this is the millennial temple we read about in Ezekiel, which isn't actually a temple (with its dimensions) so much as it is an entire city where all of His people will live. "There will be no temple there because the Almighty and the Lamb are the temple" (Rev 21:22).


In the meantime, the believers are living stones that make up that temple as Peter says in 1 Peter 2:5 . So the lawless one sitting in the temple declaring himself god is nonother than many believers falling away from the truth as was prophesied by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2. It's why both are prophesied to happen together in the passage.

If by "the Jews" you mean Talmudic Jews, or Talmudism in general, I agree. It's hard to be right without Christ.

The disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom back to them at that time and He said the Father will do it in His own time but be concerned with preaching the Gospel.

God said He is going to bring the whole house of Jacob back to their land and leave none of them in the nations anymore and they will know the LORD their God from that time forward and He will never hide His face from them again which means Israel as a nation will be in the truth and never stray again.

Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in which means when salvation is not available to them anymore and so all Israel shall be saved.

There will be a 3rd temple built and the Jews will go back to animal sacrifices.

The antichrist will establish peace in the Middle East and it will pave the way for all Hebrews to go back to Israel for the Gentile nations will see to it and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land but God means it for good towards the Jews.

Israel will split Jerusalem with the Palestinians and the Jews will have their 3rd temple and go back to animal sacrifices.

The New Age Christ will work in the world for three and one half years and will push the agenda of the new age movement and then step in to the Jews temple and claim to be God by evolving through nature to be spiritual and godlike and will try to deceive the Jews that He is their God.

When the world takes the mark of the beast then salvation is no longer available to them and God will send Israel 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

That's not quite what was said.

"When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power." - Acts 1:6-7 KJV


Do you have a passage for this?

The undeniable fact is......the precise location of the true Solomonic Temple is within the City of David. Presently Israeli territory.

"A passage"? There are HUNDREDS of passages for this......

The context of montana's comment was a modern control of land. Are there any passages chronologically after Joshua 21:43-45 that promise another instance of controlling the land after the initial promise was fulfilled?

"And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the Lord gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass." - Joshua 21:43-45 KJV

Of course. I was speaking to perpetual landownership yet future. But there is every reason to believe that the 606 BC "captivity of the nation" is now over.....since May 14, 1946. Which just happens to be more or less exactly 2520 years per Ezek 4 and Leviticus 26 ((430-70) * 7).

There are vast chunks of the Bible dealing with Israel's future redemption/return/posession. To insinuate that you (or I) don't know or these passages or that they don't exist is frankly.......bizarre.

Numerology is a Babylonian thing. Maybe there is merit to it, but it isn't a Biblical concept in origin. Better to check what scripture states clearly.

I think there is value in pinpointing that passages that people try to ascribe to land possession / claims. Many of these interpretations of claims aren't Biblical. You would be surprised how many of these nonscriptural beliefs get passed off falsely as Biblical promise.

Which passages would you say apply post-Josh 21:43-45?

I really cant believe your post here. Is this what you really believe?

In fact, there already has holy temple of God in that land, but neither Jews nor Christians recognized it.

The funny thing is that the Jews wanted to tear it down and build it up themselves, and the Christians didn't think it was necessary to build it because Jesus Christ is the God's temple.

I think Josephus is extremely accurate, he was raised in and became a member of one of the ascetic Jewish sects that flourished in Judaea around the time of Christ. They were KNOWN to be EXTREMELY TRUTHFUL, and understood that every Lie was a SIN. Later in life he became he became a CHRISTIAN. THAT is the REAL Rub between JEWS and Josephus. I am sorry you bought into the Jewish Lies about Josephus. So I will have to totally disagree with you.


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The writings of Josephus are considered a primary source for understanding the world in which Jesus lived, died, and rose again because they come from the period in which Christ walked the earth. As such, they include historical information concurrent with the testimony of the New Testament. :END QUOTE.

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In summary, I am not sure exactly what you have heard, but it is fair to
say that the existence of Josephus and his writings in the first century
AD are not in doubt, but there is some debate about whether certain of his
writings may have been changed somewhat by others after his death.

John Oakes, PhD
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Josephus was born in Jerusalem in A.D. 37/38 and became a historian writing principally about the Jewish people up until his death ca. 100. Four of his works are extant: 1) The Jewish War; 2) The Jewish Antiquities; 3) Vita (life) and 4) Against Apion. These works provide us with knowledge of the New Testament era which we otherwise would not possess. In short, Josephus has contributed to our understanding of the social, political, historical (incl. chronological data) and religious backgrounds of the New Testament.
Greg Herrick
Greg lives in Calgary Alberta, Canada with his wife and 4 kids. He has a passion to teach and disciple others, and holds a Th.M. and Ph.D. from Dallas Theological Seminary. Greg is currently serving as Project Director for the knowingGod.org. A disciplemaking website to help the church.
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Most people are familiar with WORDsearch 10, the Bible Software that I use regularly.
It includes The Complete Works of Flavius Josephus:
Without a SINGLE WARNING such as you posted.

Like I said....you are likely using the American popular version of his works....one of FOUR. There are three others.

Blanket acceptance of a single old work is not a good thing when doing research...especially when it comes time for religious studies. This work of Josephus was and is subject to mistranslations, insertions and deletions. All because people wanted to shape others opinions into their particular opinion. The whole war between the Samaritans and the Jews in the New Testament is over deliberately changed Torah scrolls that the Jews deliberately changed during transcription.
If people were willing to change the Words of God with impunity then the words of a long dead historian is even easier.

I'm sure the guy did the best he could with the resources he had...doesn't mean that it's correct.

"Better to check what scripture states clearly"

Well....that is certainly not my particular problem bro.

Concatenating prophecies is hardly "Babylonian". The prophecies themselves are numerical/mathematical in origin. Guess you did not know that either.

Another example Daniel 9, which Jesus fulfilled (69 weeks * 7 * 360 = 173,880 days) to the very day. Not only that, Israel was supposed to know and understand God's prophetic timetable. Wow.
Luk 19:42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes."


So....what does this (see below) have to do with retaking Jerusalem June 7th 1967?

2Ki 25:1
And it came to pass in the ninth year of his reign, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came, he, and all his host, against Jerusalem, and pitched against it; and they built forts against it round about.

Jer 39:1
In the ninth year of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the tenth month, came Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon and all his army against Jerusalem, and they besieged it.

Jer 52:4
And it came to pass in the ninth year of his reign, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon came, he and all his army, against Jerusalem, and pitched against it, and built forts against it round about.

Eze 24:1
Again in the ninth year, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

70 years precisely

Hag 2:18
Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it.

Dear Friend,

YESHUA HaMoshiach is the TEMPLE of God along with ALL who belong to HIM.

Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 5you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,
“Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”
7Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,
“The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,”
8and
“A stone of stumbling
And a rock of offense.”
They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.

9But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.


do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.



IMPORTANT = When people receive the Mark of the Beast they will all be connected to satan in a way similiar that the Holy Spirit is in us who are Saved.
Thus man will be "One voice" speaking and blaspheming God in the temple of God = which is man.

Today is a Good Day to wake UP to His Righteousness that HE bestowed up Abraham.

PEACE be upon the Israel of God

The Revelation scripture below references an angel being told to measure the temple.

"And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months." Rev 1:11-12

i read Brother Pilgrimshope Post #19 and cannot find/see what the emphasis of your comment is.......

Can you please elaborate your emphasis by which you said: "I really cant believe your post here. Is this what you really believe?"

Thank you

Hag 2:10
In the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the LORD by Haggai the prophet, saying,

Hag 2:18
Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it.

yeah brother consider the Old Testament and new are reflected upon in revelation

just like on earth things have progressed so you have this which is where your looking of course this is speaking of the temple in heaven

“And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: and the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭15:5-6‬ ‭

Which of course that’s there right ? Totally agreeable but what I’m saying is this we have to let the story progress to the outcome one creation ends this current one we know ends and there’s another ahead

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:

for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yet the earth is passed away never to be remembered again you have the new testsment revealed and a look into the kingdom

“And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:21-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see brother the temple made by men was a pattern of what God was going to do in the New Testament all the ot is a pattern an earthly pattern of what’s in heaven

“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:1-2, 4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


When they made the tabernacle it was a pattern of Jesus in whom God would dwell d meet us in our heart through his spirit

if you think brother about the temple services what is needed in the New Testament ?

do we need to send Moses into the inner room to hear gods word ? No we’ve heard and believe the gospel which is gods word

do we need the sacrifices and altars so we can constantly shed animal blood for atonement ? No Jesus shed his own blood already for atonement

do we need to set the shewbread before the lord daily ? Or keep the candles burning before the veil in the inner room or refill the lamps of oil ?

if we think of the temples finction it’s lack of necessaty is known clearly Jesus accomplished everything they used to do in the temple the sacrifice , the mediation , the atonement , the advocation for the people and intercession fornthier sins

that’s all just an earthly pattern when the revelation comes we are the temple of God who dwells in our center and most holy place in our hearts which is what leads and guides our life

if they had the holy spirit living in tbier heart and had known the gospel they wouldn’t have needed a temple either they would have become The temple formGods Holy Spirit

to simplify the man made temple is part of the old creation that’s doomed to utter destruction and in the kingdom of God there will be no temple the temple is Christ

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s an old earthly pattern of what a gods doing and then there’s the revelation of what he’s done and doing

The earthly patterns are not going to last the revelations will like this revelation of the temple of God in Christ

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we don’t and won’t need a man made building unite to meet God he lives inside our heart where he is designed to live

every thy ing but e temple served to be for them is fulfilled in what Jesus is for us