The theif on the cross misconceptions

In fact, it's easy to understand. Listen to God. Even if he wants you to go to hell, don't doubt it. But in the end, if you listen to him, God has prepared heaven for you.

I continually encounter people trying to justify that baptism is not an absolute necessity for one's salvation by use (erroneously) of the thief on the cross as justification, as he was not baptized but yet saved by the Lord, which is true! BUT, the error in this is the lack of understanding of the scriptures. You must read and understand Hebrews 9:15-17 which clarifies why the thief on the cross was saved by Jesus without being baptized. Christ was still alive when this occurred meaning it was done while the old testament or covenant was still in effect; the new testament had not yet been established because Christ had not yet died. And since the Lord was still alive no one could possibly be baptized into Christ under NT salvation criteria. Baptism did not become a requirement as part of salvation until the new testament began which was after the death of Christ. Jesus forgave the thief on the cross no different than he forgave others during his earthly ministry, such as the woman caught in the act of adultery as recorded in John 8. Baptism should not even be an issue when discussing the thief on the cross, but unfortunately always is, but in error.

Baptism is a command and everything done on the flesh requires a work of some sort, but it's not a work of the flesh as condemned as in Galatians nor a work of the law. Too many scriptures to ignor that say it's required. Keep I'm mind also that you're baptized into Christ, baptized into his death, you become a member of the church by baptism as the Lord adds you to his body according to Acts 2:47. No other way does this or can this happen.

Baptism is a work of God, not of humans. John 1: 13 Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, not of the will of man, but of God.

this again

you are actually saying that Christ did not accomplish full salvation and His blood was not enough to secure forgiveness of our sin

nope

this has been debated over and over and over in this forum and there are some who will agree with you but most will not

baptism is symbolic and we should be baptized but it does not save us

feel free to explain away though

even if God wants you to go to hell don't doubt it?

Look, I know you are not a believer, so perhaps you should not be offering anti-biblical advice to anyone

smh

Baptism is a work of man in obedience to God's word, but it is not a requirement to get saved. What do you do if a dying person embraces Christ and trusts Him to save him from his sins? Do you tell him that he is going to hell because he wasn't baptized?

You are pushing heresy.

[The only error in your post is that baptism is a work of man.]

Does God baptize you in water or does a man (pastor, elder, brother, etc.) do it in obedience to God's word?

I think he said the door never be closed when it was open,

In fact, it's easy to understand. Listen to God. Even if he wants you to go to hell, don't doubt it. But in the end, if you listen to him, God has prepared heaven for you.

I'm not saying anything. It's not my words but scripture. I'm simply citing the scriptures in an attempt to open up the understanding of those that may not be aware.

It is Christ who does the baptizing and not with water. Man baptizes ( without water) when he preaches salvation through Christ and the person preached to believes. He is baptized in the name of the Son automatically. Baptism with water is still preached in Judaism and they even have pools called mikvehs to accomplish their baptism. They baptize for ritual cleansing, and other occasions such as before marriages, ordinations, etc. Water baptism is a Jewish ritual usually for spiritual cleansing. We now have a new Baptism where Christ does the cleansing and the perfecting through the Holy Spirit.

I don't give a fig about what the Jews do, did, or believed in. I was talking about baptism in water which a believer goes through in obedience to God's word. It is not necessary for salvation, but it is necessary to make us understand what happened in the Spirit. We are born again by faith in Christ, we are baptized by the Holy Spirit by faith, and we are baptized in water through faith in Christ.

LSB Acts 16:30-33 And after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your house.”
32 And they spoke the word of 1the Lord to him together with all who were in his household.
33 And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household.

Matthew 28:19–20 (LSB)
19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to keep all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Two Main Effects (1262)
The immersion in water signifies Baptism's two main effects - purification from sins and new birth in the Holy Spirit.
https://www.catholicity.com/catechism/the_graces_of_baptism.html
https://www.detroitcatholic.com/news/our-spiritual-birthday-baptism-restores-the-life-of-grace
https://thecatholicspirit.com/faith...damentals/spiritual-effects-benefits-baptism/
https://rfpa.org/blogs/news/baptism-now-saves-us-a-spiritual-cleansing

Catholics are not Christians. Whatever they believe is outside of this discussion. Please refrain from posting unnecessary links.

[ has someone made you a moderator? there are Catholics who are believers in Christ]

Catholicism is an antichrist religion that offers a different Christ than the scriptures reveal. If there are Catholics that are truly born again but continue to be part of a dead church, are probably very weak in their beliefs. But if you could count them, how many are there, one, two, or three? Take a guess. 😁

By the way, as a former staunch Catholic, I kind of know what happens on the inside of this pernicious and destructive religion. 🥸