Speaking in Tongues

then nothing in scripture applies to you save salvation. guess you are good to go since that is the most important part

one and done

What do you do with this?

1Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2You know that when you were pagans, you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3Therefore I inform you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

4There are different gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different ministries, but the same Lord. 6There are different ways of working, but the same God works all things in all people.

7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in various tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, who apportions them to each one as He determines.

The Body of Christ

12The body is a unit, though it is composed of many parts. And although its parts are many, they all form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all given one Spirit to drink.

14For the body does not consist of one part, but of many. 15If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?

18But in fact, God has arranged the members of the body, every one of them, according to His design. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.

21The eye cannot say to the hand, “I do not need you.” Nor can the head say to the feet, “I do not need you.” 22On the contrary, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts we consider less honorable, we treat with greater honor. And our unpresentable parts are treated with special modesty, 24whereas our presentable parts have no such need.

But God has composed the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25so that there should be no division in the body, but that its members should have mutual concern for one another. 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

The Greater Gifts

27Now you are the body of Christ, and each of you is a member of it. 28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, and those with gifts of healing, helping, administration, and various tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31But eagerly desire the greater gifts.
I Corinthians 12

The LORD Jesus in His Gospel, Acts and 1 Corinthians all verify that the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and His Gifts are for Today and will never cease until we are 'face to face' with Christ.

Cessation of gifts is for the unbelieving and mockers, therefore they do not receive.

God is not mocked, for what a man sows that shall he reap.

It's called Christianity, guess what, the one it is named after even rose from the dead and while here, modeled how we are to live.

Weeell I haven't personally addressed you like this.

That's a rough tone. You probably want some kind of opinion v opinion but we gotta go back to scripture itself.

There are all sorts in the NT that have no limit on them from what was witten then to now.

In regards to spiritual gifts... faith, hope and love are of them. That's obviously still going on.

There is the Lord's Supper, tithing, church discipline, discipleship, Bible study..prayer.. etc etc.. all empowered by the Holy Spirit.

So let's talk scripture rather than personally attacking/prodding

Fair enough, i haven't got the actual descriptions accurate. My bad. Principle remains though is those times were exceptional.

I appreciate your kind words and I never take offense so there is nothing to forgive. Grace and peace.

That is not normal or correct biblical interpretation at all, orthodoxy would teach us that what all is written in the bible is for the reader using common sense.

We are not speaking about fashions or customs, we are talking about spiritual gifts and doctrines,

The Corinth church, which incidentally manifested the same spiritual gifts as shown in the book of acts is the pattern for the church for the gospel age. The body of Christ manifesting and ministering in the same Holy Ghost power that He Himself ministered in His body of flesh in Galilee ... we are now His body of flesh doing [or supposed to be doing] the works that He did.

The church changed, God didn't change.

The church has changed it from body of flesh to mystical body

.... because they backslid

Okay, thanks for your input.

I did not make that broad a statement. I said that that instance was a one-off, since it was being used to try to "prove" that tongues are THE proof of the indwelling Spirit.
I have never said that nobody speaks/prays in tongues.
I totally disagree with the false belief that everyone (believers) has to speak in tongues to prove they are indwelt with the Spirit, which is what many of you on here are saying, or at least implying. Many of you are trying to say that if a believer doesn't have tongues, he/she is somehow not as in tune, or not as mature, or somehow their faith is lacking.... they are to be pitied as "lesser" Christians.

I can hear the outcry now.... " I never SAID that! I would never say that!" But you know as well as I do that most "tongue speakers" do look at non-speakers that way. "Oh, you just don't want the gift... Oh, if you would just ask for it in faith...." implying that somehow our faith is not strong enough.... or the extreme of "you just have not experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit... because if you had, you WOULD speak in tongues"....

I've been through this same discussion several times on this forum, and it's always the same...

Enlighten me. What does it say? When you consider these in total, which are all relevant and related, what do they say?

Good Morning,

i never said that to you or anyone on here.

The most important Truth is this:

And while they were gathered together, He commanded them: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift the Father promised, which you have heard Me discuss. For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off—to all whom the Lord our God will call to Himself.”

Please review posts 130 , 131 , 133 , 134 so that you are not swallowed up in a horrific lie. as many are.

oh but I was wearing white gloves while I typed!

seriously? a rough tone? when a person considers how you mishandle and leave out the gifts of God through His Spirit.....

and btw, faith hope and love are not spiritual gifts.

nothing is empowered by the Holy Spirit when you tell Him you do not want what God is offering through Him

there was no rough tone in my post. you are simply offended that I responded to your misdirection of truth

now that last line may be a bit rough

I will add that while people may find comfort in tradition, God does not call us to that

as you say, you receive the same way

41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.

43 Everyone kept feeling a sense of awe; and many wonders and signs were taking place through the apostles.


this is my point..... not all of them spoke in tongues or performed wonders and signs. There were at least three thousand add ON PENTCOST.... the supposed beginning of the "pentecostal gifts".... the "full gospel" gifts.

There is absolutely NO mention of any of the three thousand speaking in tongues to show they had received the Spirit. I believe they all DID receive the Spirit, as Peter said they (we) would, when we repent and are baptized.

The signs and wonders were being done through the apostles.....

you heard it here first, folks!

Just messin with you.... but like the guy said, this ain't my first rodeo... we've had these same discussions many times here. You know as well as I know that most pentecostal/tongue-speaking/full-gospel kind of people actually DO think those things about Christians that DON'T speak in tongues. They have a sort of superior, sympathy-filled attitude of pity towards us poor souls that just aren't faithful enough, or don't want it enough, or don't believe enough.... "oh, if you only had what I have...."
OR, they flat out believe that we are not truly saved, and do not have the indwelling Spirit of God....

i won't bore you again with my journey, and my experience in asking for/praying for the gift of tongues... I've been through that in previous discussions.
I have come to the decision that I will believe what God tells us through His word..... that the Spirit will give gifts to each believer as He deems necessary.

"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your [l]heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

If I ask for something, and don't receive it, I will continue on under the assumption/belief that the Spirit decided that I don't NEED that particular gift.

Says who? I speak in tongues, and have been doing it for more than 38 years. How arrogant if you, especially when you don’t speak it. You speak out of your flesh.

Are we supposed to be impressed?

yeah brother anyways I do appreciate your opinions and usually have some agreement but I’m not really interested in going in a circle with you I’ve done that before and it’s exhausting for me

but I’ll let you have that last word God bless brother

Weeell faith hope and love for a believer are empowered by the Holy Spirit. Christian faith hope and love is all together different to the worlds version.

Like when you are convicted in your heart by the Holy Spirit about something. Christian faith hope and love is unselfish. The world's version is self empowerment usually