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Dear Becki shittim and all Brethren,
UPDATE and TRUTH Challenge
It would be contrary to ALL Scripture beginning in Genesis and ending in Revelation that the Holy Spirit comes from man to God.
EXCEPT When?
In what circumstance(s) does the Holy Spirit go from man to God???
Hint: It is directly related to this thread
UPDATE and TRUTH Challenge
It would be contrary to ALL Scripture beginning in Genesis and ending in Revelation that the Holy Spirit comes from man to God.
EXCEPT When?
In what circumstance(s) does the Holy Spirit go from man to God???
Hint: It is directly related to this thread
Brother, you really, REALLY need to read 1 Corinthians 12 again.... read it for what Paul is saying, not for what you WANT him to be saying.
It's pretty clear.... we don't all receive the same gifts... we receive what the Spirit gives to us. It IS the same Spirit (there is only one), but there are several gifts, and the Word makes it clear that every believer does NOT receive every gift.
Read the whole discourse about how the church is like a body made up of different parts. Not every part is an ear, not every part is a leg, etc.... each believer has a part to play... a job to do... trying to say that every believer HAS to speak in tongues, or they are not truly infilled with the Spirit is the opposite of what the Word says.
It's pretty clear.... we don't all receive the same gifts... we receive what the Spirit gives to us. It IS the same Spirit (there is only one), but there are several gifts, and the Word makes it clear that every believer does NOT receive every gift.
Read the whole discourse about how the church is like a body made up of different parts. Not every part is an ear, not every part is a leg, etc.... each believer has a part to play... a job to do... trying to say that every believer HAS to speak in tongues, or they are not truly infilled with the Spirit is the opposite of what the Word says.
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Brothers hornetguy and 2ndTimothyGroup
Here is a Truth Challenge for your Heart and Mind
It would be contrary to ALL Scripture beginning in Genesis and ending in Revelation that the Holy Spirit comes from man to God.
EXCEPT When?
In what circumstance(s) does the Holy Spirit go from man to God???
Hint: It is directly related to this thread but not limited to the exact topic.
Here is a Truth Challenge for your Heart and Mind
It would be contrary to ALL Scripture beginning in Genesis and ending in Revelation that the Holy Spirit comes from man to God.
EXCEPT When?
In what circumstance(s) does the Holy Spirit go from man to God???
Hint: It is directly related to this thread but not limited to the exact topic.
Healing requires faith. Before you go on a tirade, you may want to consider they are Jesus' words, not mine. (Matt. 8:13, 9:22, 15:28, Luke 17:19, Luke 18:42) Matthew 13:58 addresses the fact that unbelief hinders what otherwise could be possible.
There is an answer to what you are evidently experiencing. The scripture involves someone wanting to believe for another's healing, but I believe it holds true either way: "Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief."
I encourage you to consider seriously James' words:
"Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy...
Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:14-16
May God Bless!
There is an answer to what you are evidently experiencing. The scripture involves someone wanting to believe for another's healing, but I believe it holds true either way: "Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief."
I encourage you to consider seriously James' words:
"Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy...
Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:14-16
May God Bless!
yeah I’m sort of saying we use our brains toO much and need to just believe what’s explained in the word.
if we were to say the scriptire is explaining all these subjects we try to discuss we can just learn what the scriptures say and then well
Know
I know Christian’s who have the gift of tongues I’ve never thought it was fake or faulty , never thought it wasn’t a spiritual gift anymore ect I just think like most subjects we often don’t really understand as much as we think we do and need to be learning about it still but instead we try to teach about it when we don’t really grasp it ourselves
but we could learn if we learn what the scripture has to say about this and any subject
tongues seems to me ( just my own thought from the scripture I have noticed about it ) seems to be just another manifestation of the Holy Spirit through man in other words it seems to me to be just another spiritual gift meant for the edification of the body of Christ
there are actually a few things said about it that can teach us what we should think about it . If we let the scrioture teach our brain first earth then our brain is going to be working right
there’s alot we can learn from the scriptures is a really basic point but it’s usually what I’m saying , we can learn from the scripture and not have to wonder , it’s the way to find understanding but it’s impossible if we already know everything and then read the scripture and claim it’s not correct
I don’t myself fully understand tongues but I believe what the Bible has to say about it and think we should all do that so we can reach the same conclusions regarding doctrines
if we were to say the scriptire is explaining all these subjects we try to discuss we can just learn what the scriptures say and then well
Know
I know Christian’s who have the gift of tongues I’ve never thought it was fake or faulty , never thought it wasn’t a spiritual gift anymore ect I just think like most subjects we often don’t really understand as much as we think we do and need to be learning about it still but instead we try to teach about it when we don’t really grasp it ourselves
but we could learn if we learn what the scripture has to say about this and any subject
tongues seems to me ( just my own thought from the scripture I have noticed about it ) seems to be just another manifestation of the Holy Spirit through man in other words it seems to me to be just another spiritual gift meant for the edification of the body of Christ
there are actually a few things said about it that can teach us what we should think about it . If we let the scrioture teach our brain first earth then our brain is going to be working right
there’s alot we can learn from the scriptures is a really basic point but it’s usually what I’m saying , we can learn from the scripture and not have to wonder , it’s the way to find understanding but it’s impossible if we already know everything and then read the scripture and claim it’s not correct
I don’t myself fully understand tongues but I believe what the Bible has to say about it and think we should all do that so we can reach the same conclusions regarding doctrines
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My experiences with RA pre-date this thread and is based on much communication with him on differening topics whereby he refuses to acknowledge Scriptural emphasis, clarity and validity.
i have nothing against RA and do appreciate him but he needs to open his heart to the Scriptures.
Whenever any of us close our ears and eyes to "it is written" we will all for short of the Glory of God in some measure.
This pertains to myself and all of us.
Peace
i have nothing against RA and do appreciate him but he needs to open his heart to the Scriptures.
Whenever any of us close our ears and eyes to "it is written" we will all for short of the Glory of God in some measure.
This pertains to myself and all of us.
Peace
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Peter's conversation with the Jewish leaders concerning what the Gentiles experience involves provides insight: "And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning." Acts 11:15
The two experiences:
Peter and those gathered in the upper room, "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
Cornelius and others: "...the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God."
The two experiences:
Peter and those gathered in the upper room, "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
Cornelius and others: "...the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God."
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