would it have been better if

amen it’s not “ I’m going to toss you into hell “ it’s “ hear me and believe because i don’t want you to go there by nt his terrible place I’m telling you about “

we have to choose because he gave us the choice by informing us of the end to come. He’s trying to save us from that place not send us there he’s made a way out because all we’re doomed beforehand now we can be saved from the fate we chose before by repenting and believing the gospel

it’s not God trying to condemn us he’s trying to save us from the condemnation we already deserve by the law

I shudder when I think of the wicked person I used to be. Thank you Jesus for saving my wretched soul.

life starts at birth.. When God breaths the breath of life. our soul is created.

We can't see nor comprehend the love the Father has for this world. when God came down to see if the cries he heard from the of Sodom and Gomorrah we're true. He said to Lot "as long as you are here I can do nothing". " Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God. ". there was no way God could wipe out all of man. Then all were not man for Angels had already come down taken women had children, we don't know if that was a few 1000 or billions. There every thought was evil. Most of them were never meant to be.

See this is not the way it was supposed to be. God didn't sin we did. We gave over to Satan what got made gave us. This world belongs to Satan who is the god of. Anyway God is a plan for God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life

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Something that baffles me is that according to Rev 13:8, Christ was put on
schedule to die for the sins of the world before the world even existed. In
other words; God knew in advance that the people He was about to create
would become incorrigible yet went ahead and made them anyway.
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I don't think it is bitterness to God but the thought that how can a person who loves their neighbor as themselves be okay if that person is lost to hell after death forever? Would that person not rather pray that that person is given another chance? We come across Muslims and Hindus and people of other religion we smile at , sometimes try to bring them to Christ by way of our actions or by telling them the gospel and pray for them. They smile back, we smile back....then one of them dies in a bike crash the next day and you know they were a Muslim who did not believe in Jesus. You are okay with the thought that they are in hell? You are not going to pray that perchance there should be a way even after they died that God makes Himself and His gospel known to this person. Are you going to give me a verse about the rich person who ended up in hades, about how he wanted to send that poor man back to life so that his loved ones are saved only to be told that if they didn't listen to Moses and the prophets, they wouldn't believe him too.
Luke 16
for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
30 “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”

What amazes me even more, is that mankind actually executed the person who created them!

It gives you a deeper understanding of the thoughts and intent of the human heart.

I have a very low view of humanity.

This question can only be answered by God Himself.

One problem we have, is that we do not know if hell is an eternal abode or not.

I have read debates on this and it usually ends up with a debate about word meaning.

I just rely on Jesus to take care of His creation, it's rely not my business.

I see that verse as God indicating that He is outside of time (so can know us before we are conceived), not that we pre-exist our conceptions. When Jesus said to the Jews "Before Abraham was, I AM", they tried to stone Him, because if He wasn't God, it would have been blasphemy.

This is a brand new phrase created by ME. I coined it to explain what God is doing with mankind

He is "meeking out" mankind.

And your post describes it PERFECTLY.

I am a [or was] a butcher by trade, have you ever seen a whole topside of beef, it's about 15-20 lbs heart shape lump of lovely beef. Normally it is sliced into 3 and rolled up for roasting, the corner cut the centre cut and the end cut.

Imagine this whole topside as the GOSPEL. It has been divided into 3 but the centre cut has been removed and the end cut has been joined to the corner cut ... that's lovely, you can feast away on that, everything about it is acceptable. But where is the centre cut?

It's been taken away.

The centre cut IS the actual kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is the kingdom which Jesus will usher in when He comes back, He is going to reign on earth with His saints. A kingdom of righteousness and peace and prosperity for EVERYONE who will submit to it.

We preach eternal heaven, that's great that's where we's going, and we preach heaven on earth now in believing the gospel, that's great too.

But what we have now is simply the foretaste of what is to come here on earth when Jesus comes. It's what the WHOLE world longs for, this is what won souls in the early church, a Kingdom of righteousness, peace and prosperity, for everyone who believes and best of all with a King of Love in charge, Jesus our Lord.

The MEEK shall inherit the earth. God is meeking mankind out.

it's ham wivvout pickles I think.

God forbid .. I couldn't stand eternity without seeing that hat.

Yeah....
I read a few myself....
I discovered a few things and made a determination. The definitive answer for me never came from those debates. It came from the very nature or attributes of God which very much are absolutes.
Then I went back and analyzed the key passages for what was said and how it was said and why it was said. (Scriptures)

It takes time to go through it all and get an exegesis instead of an eisegesis. Diagramming the sentences helps.

Arts and sciences blended together....then God enjoys being difficult at times as well.

Amen.

The description of the process called hermeneutics. Sorry about that...I skip things I think are common knowledge. They often aren't but I view them as such.

Yes, I understood and agreed with that part... it was the "God enjoys
being difficult at times as well" part where I went, eh???

That was the last part of your post...

Or were you referring to "God being difficult at times"?

God doesn't want to always have complete clarity in everything...for a good reason.

If He did, then the recognition of Jesus by prophesy by the Rabbi and Levites would have not gone the way it did.
(That's just one example...Revelations is another)

God keeps his "secret things" to himself. Other things He wants revealed but only to a few people.

What i believe is missing here is the understanding that God is a redeemer not a make over.
Yes at the end there will be a new heaven and a new earth but that is after all that can be redeemed and restored is accomplished.
His very nature and very name is redeemer....his promises of redemption are his works of glory.
If GOD destroyed all of mankind...and destroyed satan in the process then his truth becomes a fable a story told with no evidences.
Before the foundations of the world God knew redemption was needed...thus JESUS was already to do just that.

Gods truth is tried and tested..."see that it isnt so" ....with GOD all things are possible....but without God....you can do nothing.
Evil is in the hearts of all of mankind thats where it starts. God wants to give us a new heart...to transform our minds.
He does this by faith and hope which he gives everyone that ask. Acting on our faith brings a greater hope that grows our Faith. Taste and see that the Lord is good.
Some dont want to believe, dont want to listen, they want to become their own god. Which brings a seared consciousness which is reprobate. Evil continuous.