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[Seeker47]

This is a brand new phrase created by ME. I coined it to explain what God is doing with mankind

He is "meeking out" mankind.

And your post describes it PERFECTLY.

I am a [or was] a butcher by trade, have you ever seen a whole topside of beef, it's about 15-20 lbs heart shape lump of lovely beef. Normally it is sliced into 3 and rolled up for roasting, the corner cut the centre cut and the end cut.

Imagine this whole topside as the GOSPEL. It has been divided into 3 but the centre cut has been removed and the end cut has been joined to the corner cut ... that's lovely, you can feast away on that, everything about it is acceptable. But where is the centre cut?

It's been taken away.

The centre cut IS the actual kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is the kingdom which Jesus will usher in when He comes back, He is going to reign on earth with His saints. A kingdom of righteousness and peace and prosperity for EVERYONE who will submit to it.

We preach eternal heaven, that's great that's where we's going, and we preach heaven on earth now in believing the gospel, that's great too.

But what we have now is simply the foretaste of what is to come here on earth when Jesus comes. It's what the WHOLE world longs for, this is what won souls in the early church, a Kingdom of righteousness, peace and prosperity, for everyone who believes and best of all with a King of Love in charge, Jesus our Lord.

The MEEK shall inherit the earth. God is meeking mankind out.

You speak truth, we are being changed into the people God seeks, hopefully me too! But I also note the deep reverence you have for the objects of your profession. It reminds me of the reverence YHWH for his living creatures, even going so far as to enter into a covenant relationship with them. Can you imagine that? He is so much deeper than we can ever possibly hope to grasp. I may need to change my name!

 

[persistent]

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Something that baffles me is that according to Rev 13:8, Christ was put on
schedule to die for the sins of the world before the world even existed. In
other words; God knew in advance that the people He was about to create
would become incorrigible yet went ahead and made them anyway.
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Consider the family unit. Does anyone know for certain how their offspring will behave? And you wouldn't want robots for children. Probably the question of free will comes into play. God gives us the absolute freedom to make our own decisions. Charles Spurgeon would preach to not make the decision to commit Spiritual suicide. Sounds right to me.

 

[persistent]

I shudder when I think of the wicked person I used to be. Thank you Jesus for saving my wretched soul.

I agree about how wicked you were.

 

[oyster67]

I agree about how wicked you were.

Why...... thank you very much, buddy 'ole pal..... I think....

 

[persistent]

I don't think it is bitterness to God but the thought that how can a person who loves their neighbor as themselves be okay if that person is lost to hell after death forever? Would that person not rather pray that that person is given another chance? We come across Muslims and Hindus and people of other religion we smile at , sometimes try to bring them to Christ by way of our actions or by telling them the gospel and pray for them. They smile back, we smile back....then one of them dies in a bike crash the next day and you know they were a Muslim who did not believe in Jesus. You are okay with the thought that they are in hell? You are not going to pray that perchance there should be a way even after they died that God makes Himself and His gospel known to this person. Are you going to give me a verse about the rich person who ended up in hades, about how he wanted to send that poor man back to life so that his loved ones are saved only to be told that if they didn't listen to Moses and the prophets, they wouldn't believe him too.
Luke 16
for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
30 “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”

Interesting....My sense is that some people will be given another chance to participate in Gods' Kingdom. Either that or there are verses that speak to no sense of remorse or sorrow over past events. For my own relatives if the first opportunity was it then the verses of no recollection would apply since they all died without being 'true' believers. At least that is my take at this time. Stay open minded as we don't have perfect understanding and have to pray for guidance.

 

[persistent]

Why...... thank you very much, buddy 'ole pal..... I think....

LOL....LOL.....LOL

 

[persistent]

LOL....LOL.....LOL

I couldn't resist ole' buddy. Hope you see the humor. I am still LOL.

 

[persistent]

I agree about how wicked you were.

Sorry, but you left yourself wide open!

 

[oyster67]

Sorry, but you left yourself wide open!

It is good when brothers can be that way.
God bless you, Clif.

 

[pottersclay]

Consider the family unit. Does anyone know for certain how their offspring will behave? And you wouldn't want robots for children. Probably the question of free will comes into play. God gives us the absolute freedom to make our own decisions. Charles Spurgeon would preach to not make the decision to commit Spiritual suicide. Sounds right to me.

God does..


Proverbs 22:6

New King James Version



6 Train up a child in the way he should go,
[a]And when he is old he will not depart from it.

 

[persistent]

God does..


Proverbs 22:6

New King James Version



6 Train up a child in the way he should go,
[a]And when he is old he will not depart from it.

Doesn't happen very often in USA and possibly Muslim societies one up this regard. None are righteous no not one also 1 Corinthians 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

 

[MsMediator]

If God actually wiped out all humanity instead of saving Noah and thus all of us are proliferating and alive and sinning and according to some, being thrown into hell unless we believe when we are alive in this temporary life which will judge our eternity

I don't know, but I trust God in this. It is true if God wiped out humanity at that time, there were no, or very few people who go to Hell. We would cease to exist, but we won't know what we are missing either.

 

[persistent]

pottersclay said:
God does..


Proverbs 22:6

New King James Version



6 Train up a child in the way he should go,
[a]And when he is old he will not depart from it.

 

[persistent]

pottersclay said:
God does..


Proverbs 22:6

New King James Version



6 Train up a child in the way he should go,
[a]And when he is old he will not depart from it.

Seems that the chosen people of God were almost always rebelling

 

[pottersclay]

Doesn't happen very often in USA and possibly Muslim societies one up this regard. None are righteous no not one also 1 Corinthians 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

These are lessons to be learned. That is what we are facing right today. 3 possibly 4 generations not rooted in the word but left to there own choice.
Todays child will be tomorrows leader....

 

[MsMediator]

Consider the family unit. Does anyone know for certain how their offspring will behave? And you wouldn't want robots for children. Probably the question of free will comes into play. God gives us the absolute freedom to make our own decisions. Charles Spurgeon would preach to not make the decision to commit Spiritual suicide. Sounds right to me.

Now, imagine the child asking, why did you give birth to me if you knew I could potentially go to hell. That is essentially what the OP is asking, but on a broader scale about humanity.

 

[persistent]

These are lessons to be learned. That is what we are facing right today. 3 possibly 4 generations not rooted in the word but left to there own choice.
Todays child will be tomorrows leader....

Too late....Even Catholic Pope from 20th century saw that. Today 'Christianity' is a hotbed of misguided 'believers' in $. 1971 my first exposure to Protestantism was small town Indiana. Missionary to US from Nigeria preached about idolatry in USA. Worship money.

 

[persistent]

Now, imagine the child asking, why did you give birth to me if you knew I could potentially go to hell. That is essentially what the OP is asking, but on a broader scale about humanity.

Seems more like all OT Israelites were always rebellious. Did not follow God's laws. We are same. Want our own way.
That is essentially what the OP is asking You mean OT

 

[persistent]

Now, imagine the child asking, why did you give birth to me if you knew I could potentially go to hell. That is essentially what the OP is asking, but on a broader scale about humanity.

Children need to be around 13 before they even begin to internalize ideas of Hell and are transitioning to adult at that age. Jews got that down.

 

[Magenta]

Now, imagine the child asking, why did you give birth to me if you knew I could potentially
go to hell. That is essentially what the OP is asking, but on a broader scale about humanity.

God creates. People pro-create. God created life. We simply pass it on.

Your question is similar to a child asking its parents, why did you give birth to me knowing I would suffer and die?

The answer is of course that despite the suffering you might experience the beauty joy and wonder of life.

God's gift of life does not have to end. People choose their end by rejecting the Giver of life.

And really, expecting God to give more life to those who refuse to acknowledge Him as the
giver in the first place? Yeah. Hopefully we can all see how ridiculously unrealistic that is.