Christians against Christian Nationalism

Why would it have any meaning?
No one has shown any evidence of such a movement? It seems a fails allegation against the Christian community.
All I ask for is evidence of such an organization.

*false.

I guess I typo'd and auto correct changed it to *fails.

Thank you. I kinda asked for it by using it first.

It dont matter. Even when we disagree we shouldnt stoop to such levels. Even if the other started it. We should call each other to the higher ground.

Greg Locke from my state, told his church that anyone who votes Democrat can get out of his church.
Some tick tock viewer saw this video and reported him to the irs.
Locke lost his 501c3 status for promoting politics from the pulpit
So if preachers are trying to use the pulpit to promote a political agenda is this not Christian nationalism?

Not meant to be a contradiction to my previous post, but........

I do think there is a kind of Christian nationalism in the US. Here's what I mean:

Most (if not all) preachers and teachers in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), Word of Faith (WoF) movement and who believe in Kingdom Now/Dominion Theology often align themselves with conservative and conservative-leaning politicians. I believe this association is a result of the "Seven Mountain Mandate". In other words, political office/government influence is one of the 7 mountains according to this doctrine, and we as Christians supposedly have a duty to make sure that like-minded politicians get elected (or re-elected if they already hold office).

That being said, I don't think it's exactly the same kind of "Christian nationalism" that the progressives complain about.

Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Greene are the only two conservative politicians I've heard actually claim the title. But there are a LOT of Christians who openly conflate the Cross and the flag or the Cross and the republican party. And a lot of them who idolize trump as some sort of God-sent savior of the Christian agenda. IMO, ANY time you lump the Cross and politics together you're creating Christian nationalism. Not that you can't vote for Christian values, but you can't tie Christianity and conservativism together as being one and the same thing. The Cross stands on it's own.

Oh why can't I leave this alone???

He's bat poo crazy though isn't he? I don't have an issue with Dems, I have an issue with progressives. No fan of slick Willie, but even he was smart enough to swim in the middle.

Again, not sure about laws state side. Our pastor would never tell us how to vote. But he certainly preaches on political issues.

They may be trying to start a movement.
Its easy to see how certain NAR preaxhers tie themselves to certain politicians. From what I have seen; they are fasle prophets, and not Christian at all.
There has always been a kind of sentiment that the US has been or was a Christian nation. I learned that in elementary school over 40 years ago.
All that said even with people having those sentiments it dont equal a movement or an organization. Its a fading sentiment of the days of yore. Even if there are some boomers who long for a return to their glory days, they aint a movement.

Yet everywhere I go I see crosses made of the flag, hear people saying the republicans are the party of God, and that trump was sent by God.

(And ftr I live in Trump country. The area is full of 'Trump won' and FJB flags and lawn signs.)

Is that not true of your area?

Nope. Nothing like that where I live. And I live in the South.
And the only place I've really seen much of this elevation of Trump, as you speak of, is by some people on this site.

Much of your trouble here is you claimed a movement exists, which suggests an organized group. Yet when asked to provide evidence you have yet to show Any.
Instead you take some symbols and declare that Everyone who uses them falls under this "movements" beliefs. Yet another claim you can't actually verify as it is based purely on the belief that you know, factually, the heart and intents of each and every individual you speak for, which is clearly impossible.

So what you've done is claim a movement exists that you can't prove, then judge people you don't know and throw them all into being in this movement. Then seem surprised that your unproven claims and judgment of numerous strangers isn't convincing to people that what you say exists, exists.
Them you go further by elevating yourself as superior, and those that aren't convinced as inferior, for not accepting what you say.
Not sure how you believe these tactics are going to change anyone's minds.

No. I dont see much of that. Sometimes you will see a bumper sticker but not much.

Being a Lutheran, we are very specific about the difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdoms of the earth. Luther called them the left and right hand Kingdoms. Because while they both belong to God. The left hand kingdom is given to man and will one day be destroyed when Christ returns.

I find the nonsense of the NAR to be blasphemous. When they were all " prophesying" that Donald Trump would win the election and be president again in 2020. Man it showed their true colors yet folks still listen to their babbelings. ' Bunch of false prophets.
The reason that such a movement cant happen here is because there is no possible way to organize the church people. You can have a first Baptist church straight across from a southern Baptist church both of them having maybe 20 familys and rather than consolidate they will both watch their churches dwindle and the building delpidate and both preaxhers have to be bi-vocational until the bitter end.

This is exactly how Leftists operate -- first demonize the opposition then seek to destroy it through state power. This is now S.O.P. for the Democrats. Standard Operating Procedure. Christians and conservatives are now (a) Christian Nationalists, (b) White Supremacists, (c) Domestic Terrorists, (d) Semi-Fascists, (e) Fascists, or (f) Nazis.

You do not need evidence for any of this since the destroyers of democracy are now claiming that they are fighting for democracy. Just like North Korea is the "Democratic" Peoples Republic of Korea (DPRK).

WELL SAID:
I think this is well said, and I agree with everything in this particular comment.

What we generally see, is simply the lumping of Christians into arbitrary categories which are pejorative by nature.
Then once you've place them all into a tidy category, in which they may not belong at all, you simply demonize the category... it's also done with other groups of people, not just Christians.

This is not to say everyone who calls himself a "Christian" actually is one, or everyone who calls himself a Christian has any sense.

Nonetheless, the nature of the attack is still the nature of the attack.



SOLUTIONS:
There are 2 methods I use for fending off these pejorative types of categories, and I highly recommend them, because they just work:

1.) Ask your interlocutor to define his terms, and to do it very precisely.
a. Once he has explained precisely what he does and does not mean, you have won. There is no longer a vague, nebulous bogey man, no vague, meaningless label to paste on everyone he dislikes.
b. The reason this works: clarity is like shining a light into the dark; it just puts an end to deception... which is pretty biblical.
(When people won't explain exactly what they mean by their accusation, you cannot defend against it. So, you rectify this.)
c. An Example of My Response:
"Thank you for clarifying. According to YOUR definition of these words, I would make the case that _____." Then you simply state your case and knock down his argument.

2.) Ask your interlocutor to define his terms in order to REPLACE IT with a SYNONYM that is more clear.
a. This is the simplest solution, and I use it all the time to clarify messy situations.
b. If you replace a confusing "hot button" term, with a clear simple term, it usually ends the entire argument.
c. Once again, you are simply using clarity, like a flashlight, to illuminate the dark shadows of intentional confusion.
d. An Example of My Response:
"So what you really mean is x? Well, let's use that word instead." Then you restate his case, using this new term that is more clear, and you quickly knock his argument down.

3. RECAP: You clarify the issue, using his own words (which he is then obligated to accept), and then it's all over.


Take care everyone.

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4. Final Thought:
When he defends his old arguments with new arguments that are equally pejorative or confusing, simply revist points #1 and #2. Keep doing this whenever he intentionally obfuscates.

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If we are going to have Christian nationalism, it should be Lutheran.
We can change the flag to the rose of Sharon and the National moto will be "the peace of the Lord be with you always" and the National anthem will be "mighty fortress" by Martin Luther.
All public officials will wear a cassock and stole, Different colors and symbols on the stole will indicate their office. The National pastor (no longer president) will wear the Alb, stole, and chasuble. He will lead the nation in ,"The Lord's Prayer" followed by Luther's morning prayer every morning. After " Mighty Fortress" is played at Sun up; every day.

More prayer, more meditation. And the response:

1. The message is true
2. The delivery is flawed
3. This audience is not ready
4. But the message is true.

"Christian nationalism seeks to merge Christian and American identities, distorting both the Christian faith and America’s constitutional democracy. Christian nationalism demands Christianity be privileged by the State and implies that to be a good American, one must be Christian. It often overlaps with and provides cover for white supremacy and racial subjugation."

A case of let's redefine "Christian Nationalism" and turn people against Christians so as to further polarize an already polarized nation.

Excellent propaganda.

It is completely false so the rest does not matter.