Once saved always saved?

If you are referring to Creator God, then at least show some respect and capitalize the G, for heaven's sake.

And the jailer did get saved by believing what Paul said.

Your ignorance of basic biblical truth is stunning.

Wrong. Salvation means you are IN the kingdom of God. Where do you get your "material" from?

OK. Explain what it means to be "born again". Using Scripture.

No it doesn't. Not at all. But it is clear that you wrongly believe that changing one's behavior is required for salvation.

And, of course, you don't have any verse that says that. What denomination or religion are you in?

All of those that God gave to Jesus to die for on the cross will go to eternal heaven, (John 6:39). "The kingdom of heaven" is one of the names that has reference to Christ's church, and accepts only those that does his will.

But the verse doesn't say or teach that.

“What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:14‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/jas.2.14.ESV

“But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:18-19‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/jas.2.18-19.ESV

Eternal salvation was accomplished on the cross, only, for all of those that God gave to his Son, and they are secured of their eternal inheritance.

What is your interpretation?

So Verse 14 is a lie?

I'll just say it again:

FreeGrace2 said:
If you are referring to Creator God, then at least show some respect and capitalize the G, for heaven's sake.

And the jailer did get saved by believing what Paul said.

Your ignorance of basic biblical truth is stunning.


I have no doubt that you don't understand James 2:14-26.

ForestGreenCook said:
All of those that God gave to Jesus to die for on the cross will go to eternal heaven, (John 6:39).
FreeGrace2 said:
But the verse doesn't say or teach that.
First, there are many verses that say plainly that Christ died for all or everyone. So this cannot be about limited atonement.

Now, let's look at that verse:

John 6:39 - 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

See? It doesn't even address who He died for. It's about those God has given Him. And that would be those who will believe in Him.

And He was teaching eternal security, same as John 10:28.

Your turn.

Ballgame! Elvis has left the building.

These "once saved always saved" nuts seemed to be forgetting our origin story. That is Genesis 1-3. We were created in the image and likeness of God. At creation, God deemed us very good. However, ONE act of sin caused us to be unceremoniously thrown out of the Garden of Eden and almost permanently ruptured our relationship with God.

You may miss the point of Genesis 1 if you don't try to get to the heart of the creation story. What was the purpose of Genesis 1:1? God created the heavens and earth so that he could establish his heavenly kingdom on physical earth. The kingdom of God would replicate God's influence, God's culture, God's character in a physical space with Adam and Eve being God's representative on Earth.

'And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have DOMINION over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. ' Genesis 1:28-29 https://my.bible.com/bible/59/GEN.1.28-29

If man had maintained this original status quo, we would have enjoyed continued fellowship/visitation with God. He would have taught us his character and his heavenly culture.

However, the serpent deceived Eve and caused her to violate the will of God. That single sin was an act of treason. Man basically declared independence from God. The punishment for such an act is DEATH - permanent separation from fellowship with God. So today, when we put our faith in Jesus who paid the price of reconciliation, we better not continue to live like we take his ultimate sacrifice for granted. We better learn the character of God and be totally sanctified and totally aligned with God's purpose for us before the day of judgement.

'The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. ' 2 Peter 3:8-9 https://my.bible.com/bible/59/2PE.3.8-9

'And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.' 2 Peter 3:15,18 https://my.bible.com/bible/59/2PE.3.15,18

'You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.' James 2:24-26 https://my.bible.com/bible/59/JAS.2.24-26

Please don't try to mislead people about this silly faith alone nonsense. James is a staunch advocate for salvation through faith and works. You will only ever hear the faith alone argument from Paul, but not from anyone who learned from Jesus while he was here on earth, not from any of Jesus' disciples.

Without question the dumbest post in an extraordinarily long line of Christian Chat dumb posts. Congratulations. 👏

And we come to Christ by faith. That is faith in his works not ours. It's his righteousness that is imputed to us.. Wonderfully good news indeed. Of course faith is never alone, but the works God has for us are a working of the spirit through. We bear good fruit not dead works.

As the hymn christ alone reminds us:

'No power of hell, no scheme of man
Can ever pluck me from His hand
Till He returns or calls me home
Here in the power of Christ I'll stand'

That's why I love this hymn.

In Christ alone my hope is found
He is my light, my strength, my song
This cornerstone, this solid ground
Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace
When fears are stilled, when strivings cease
My comforter, my all in all
Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone who took on flesh
Fullness of God in helpless babe
This gift of love and righteousness
Scorned by the ones He came to save
Till on that cross as Jesus died
The wrath of God was satisfied
For every sin on Him was laid
Here in the death of Christ I live

There in the ground His body lay
Light of the world by darkness slain
Then bursting forth in glorious day
Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory
Sin's curse has lost its grip on me
For I am His and He is mine
Bought with the precious blood of Christ

No guilt in life, no fear in death
This is the power of Christ in me
From life's first cry to final breath
Jesus commands my destiny
No power of hell, no scheme of man
Can ever pluck me from His hand
Till He returns or calls me home
Here in the power of Christ I'll stand

Do you really believe that Jesus would lay his life down for you just so you can continue to behave like the seed of the serpent?

i suppose where you are from insults win arguments

Nope. That would be 'no Lordship' doctrine. I dont believe that.

What heaven are you talking about? Also what eternal security, because most people who say they are Christians are still sinning willfully. Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Now lets understand and reason together, Paul just gave us a run down on condition of sins. People who are behaving in such manner will not inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God, even those who are unclean. Being unclean does not mean a person doesn’t wash up, we are not talking about soap and water. We are talking about defiling the body, with unholiness or unGodliness.

Don't feel sorry for me I'm totally not confuse, but just like Jesus says in Luke 23: 28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. 29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck. 30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us. 31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry? 32 And there were also two other, malefactors, led with him to be put to death.

Jesus was quite insulting when the moment required. I follow his lead.