What does the Bible say about the Holy Spirit Being the Third Person of the Trinity?

TheLearner · Aug 14, 2022

Study bowman's outline on the trinity.
https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf

Acts 13:2
Common English Bible
2 As they were worshipping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Appoint Barnabas and Saul to the work I have called them to undertake.”

The person of the Holy Spirit uses I, ego which is the hallmark of personhood.

TheLearner · Aug 14, 2022

good discussion all

DavidTree · Aug 14, 2022

Pilgrimshope said:

are you saying we believe your thought there by faith and not sight ?

“Just be careful with this: "One entity revealed three ways"

Why would I be careful stating that God is one person ? that’s a foundational understanding in scripture

“And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭12:29‬ ‭

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

or why would I be careful saying the same God became flesh , and walked among us , taught us , suffered and died for us , rose from death and returned to his original glory from the beginning ?

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-3, 10, 14, 18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s what the Bible says about Jesus even before he came he was saying “ I’m going to come with salvation

“Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God. The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

and the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: the grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth:

but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah,

Behold your God! Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:1, 3-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

about 750 years later after this is said to the prophet and written for the people after the gospel has come to pass

“being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

For All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23-25‬ ‭

the Bible shows God mysteriously in the beginning hidden

“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:2-3‬ ‭

you never hear about Jesus until the gospel , that’s when Gods no longer hiding anything about himself he’s stepping out into the wide open and daring us to come and believe and know him

if we do that he says we will receive his spirit and this is how he can come and live within us father , son and Holy Ghost are one spirit.

that’s all biblical thought brother and it’s a forum to discuss the Bible , why be careful it’s okay to learn from the Bible and believe what it says also you know what I mean ?

Jesus was preaching truth long before he came

“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it? Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships. I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King. Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10-11, 13-15, 18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It brings us here eventually if we follow the things it’s telling us about Jesus

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭48:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s Jesus the Lord speaking before his birth in the flesh

“And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:17-18‬ ‭

There’s always been one God he’s always been the same God he’s made a way through jesus to save us and be together forever by “calling us to be the fathers sons by his spirit in us “

It’s God restoring our souls and companionship to him with us and in us by his own spirit which is given of his own Will and purpose to lead our spirit home

The Hebrew word that is used to describe Elohim as 'one' is echad.
Echad means a united one and/or more then one acting as one.
Echad does not define as a single one but as a being one.

Husband and Wife are echad.

There are no scriptures that say Elohim/God is a "single entity".

Saying Elohim(God) is a single entity is unbiblical and antichrist and is the one of the main reasons for Jewish people's fall from
Grace.

JW's believe God as a single entity.

Nehemiah6 · Aug 14, 2022

p_rehbein said:

He's at a meeting with the Knights of the Round Table.

Saul-to-Paul · Aug 14, 2022

arthurfleminger said:

What you are God is because you are made in His image.
Mind
Spirit
Flesh

DavidTree · Aug 15, 2022

Saul-to-Paul said:

"For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
Hebrews 4:12

"Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it."
1 Thessalonians 5:23

HealthAndHappiness · Aug 15, 2022

The Father sent His Son.
The Son is not the Father.
The Son cannot lie.

What about the term "Person"?
Is it Biblical?

Aaron56 · Aug 15, 2022

DavidTree said:

Their error is not this but, rather, believing that Jesus Christ was not God in the flesh. Because of this error they do not understand the corporeity of Christ as a many-membered being and, thus, reject that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.

1 John 4: 2,3 "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

The "flesh" that He has come into is the flesh of man. "For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones." So, this is not saying that "If you deny that Jesus was real, you are of anti-Christ". The "spirit of anti-Christ" declares that the Spirit of God cannot inhabit the flesh of man. By doing so (like the Jehovah's Witnesses) they 1) deny the deity of Jesus Christ and 2) reject the body of Christ in the earth.

Manifestations of this are racism (having "black" or "white" or "Russian" or "Ukrainian" or "Greek", etc. churches), sectarianism, denominationalism (dividing the Body based upon doctrine), etc. The evidence of the work of the anti-Christ is a weak and sick church. "Not discerning the Body" is a sin against the Body of Christ.

Wansvic · Aug 15, 2022

DavidTree said:

The Jewish people knew Jesus professed to be God, and refused to accept that truth. Consider as well that Satan would have never influenced people to crucify Jesus had he understood that Jesus was in fact God in the flesh.

The following is a small list of relevant scriptures on the topic:

JESUS IS COMING
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13

GOD IS COMING
Zechariah 14:4,5, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Revelation 19:11, 16

JESUS THE CREATOR
John 1:10, 1 cor 8:6, Ephesians 3:9, Col. 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12, Revelation 4:8-11, 10:6, 14:6-7, 21:5-7, 22:3.

GOD THE CREATOR
Genesis 1:1, 2:7, Job 33:4, Psalm 33:6, 104:30, I sa 40:28, 44:24, 45:11-18, Mal 2:10

JESUS THE ROCK
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matt 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13

GOD THE ROCK
Deut 32:1-4, 2 Samuel 22:1-3, 22:32, Psalm 18:2, 31:3, 78:34-35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10-11

JESUS THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
1 John 4:14, 1 Peter 2:21-24, Acts 20:28, Gal 3:13, Luke 24:21-29, 2:10-11, Philippians 3:20, 1 Timothy 1:1-3, 4:10, Tutus 1:1-4, 2:10-13, 1 Peter 1:10-11, Jude 25

GOD THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
Psalm 78:34-35, I Isaiah 47:4, 44:6, 43:3-11, 45:21, 49:26, Psalm 106:21, Luke 1:46-47

JESUS FIRST AND LAST
Revelation 1:17, 22:13

GOD FIRST AND LAST
Isaiah 41:4, 43:10-11, 44:6-8

JESUS THE SHEPHERD
John 10:8-12, 1 Peter 2:21-25, Hebrews 13:20, 1 peter 5:4

GOD THE SHEPHERD
Psalm 23, Isaiah 40:10-11, Psalm 100

JESUS THE I AM AND I AM HE
John 18:5-8, 8:24-28, Revelation 1:17-18,

GOD THE I AM AND I AM HE
Exodus 3:13-14, Isaiah 43:10-11 and 25.

JESUS THE KING
Matthew 2:1-6, Luke 19:32-28, 23:3, John 18:37, 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Revelation 15:1-4, 19:11-16

GOD THE KING
Psalm 24, 44:4, 74:12, Isaiah 43:10-15, 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10, Zechariah 14:9

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." Deut. 6:4-5

Pilgrimshope · Aug 15, 2022

DavidTree said:

“The Hebrew word that is used to describe Elohim as 'one' is echad.
Echad means a united one and/or more then one acting as one.
Echad does not define as a single one but as a being one.”

brother have you noticed , everyone loves and believes in the name of Jesus ? Are baptized in his name , trust in his blood , trust in his word , trust in him for salvstion in all ways ? Worship him and follow him as lord ?

and understanding an ancient Hebrew term is t going to change the revelation of God in the New Testament ?

they didn’t have any concept of the son of God made flesh and coming to save the world from sin ? And no concept of receiving gods spirit dwelling in them rather than a man made temple in thoer camp ?

It still says the same things after ancient israel used the term Elohim to describe him I don’t see how that’s relevant God is one being that’s always been true

“jahovahs witness “lol brother I love you …..your funny sometimes

But anyways

Jesus is where you can see God revealed in one entity it’s the gospel of John and Paul’s epistles brother and a huge point of the book of revelation.

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

father son and Holy Ghost in one being named Jesus the only name on earth

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is God , now revealed but to see him we have to look at the gospel and believe this is about Jesus

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God created ….the spirit of that same creator moved , and he spoke forth light with his word

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-5, 10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s the same as created the earth and all things we just didn’t realize it while he was here and some still don’t realize what’s been revealed through the gospel of Christ

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God said let there be light and it was so ….

“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The Holy Spirit is also god with us

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God created all things , Jesus is that’s same God who later came nd revealed himself in the flesh to mankind in the gospel .

the holy spirit is Jesus with us still who believe each day he’s still there by his spirit he’s never been any different just has revealed himself to man in different ways

an all Powerful unknowable creator who dwells in the heavens beyond us

A humble man claiming to be Gods only begotten son who claims to be the savior and died and rose like he said

and the living spirit that comes to believers who when he died and rose and was glorified again as king he sent his promise of this spirit to believers

it’s one God , only it’s showing us his operation and revelations to save us

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see how father and son are one ?

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

same concept my father isn’t a name but he’s showing us his relationship with the Holy Spirit of God in him a spirit inside his temple a spirit dwelling inside a man With his spirit.

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

( brother David tree ) saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, (brother David tree ? )

he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
“In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see: for I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them;

and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭10:21-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what they knew as God , or Elohim, has now been made known in Jesus and the gospel brother He has revealed his own self in our form it was necassary to know God because he is so much greater than man he has to reach down low to us as children to lift us up

we couldn’t save ourselves or reach God the Father , we sinned and we’re doomed all of us we’re

so instead of crushing all sinners and starting over he loves us , so he dove into our hopeless situation himself and did all we needed him to do to fulfill the curses for us , so we can now repent and believe and be saved and return to him and live forever after we die in a place he’s been promising since Isaiah a new heaven and earth he’s prepared for those who love him Jesus i mean

God is one and has three main roles in a Christian’s life The father in heaven , the son who came to earth became flesh to save us , and the holy ghost who comes to live with us because we hear and believe the gospel about those things he’s done and said

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

( brother David tree ) saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, brother David tree ?

he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the father is in the son

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

just as a body and spirit are one so are father and son they are showing us the different functions of God and what he’s done in Christ and by giving his spirit

TheLearner · Aug 15, 2022

Nehemiah6 said:

TheLearner · Aug 15, 2022

oh I caught up, how did that happen?

oyster67 · Aug 15, 2022

arthurfleminger said:

1 John 5:7

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

DavidTree · Aug 15, 2022

Aaron56 said:

Peace Brother,
i agree with your assesment and would like for you to see that thier reasoning springs forth from God being a 'single entity'.
Thru this error they lauch into other errors as you correctly described.

Their error in not believing that Yeshua/Jesus was God manifesting in the flesh is directly due to their error in believing Elohim/God is a "single entity."

JW's flawed logic is that God as a 'single entity' cannot also be the Son since only God, as a single entity, can be God.

Therefore, by following this academic intellect of reasoning by which only a 'single entity', in this case God, can only be God Himself and not the Son.

i know this for a fact as i have had many years in dialogue and literature from the JW's.

DavidTree · Aug 15, 2022

Wansvic said:

The Jewish people knew Jesus professed to be God, and refused to accept that truth. Consider as well that Satan would have never influenced people to crucify Jesus had he understood that Jesus was in fact God in the flesh.

The following is a small list of relevant scriptures on the topic:

JESUS IS COMING
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13

GOD IS COMING
Zechariah 14:4,5, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Revelation 19:11, 16

JESUS THE CREATOR
John 1:10, 1 cor 8:6, Ephesians 3:9, Col. 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12, Revelation 4:8-11, 10:6, 14:6-7, 21:5-7, 22:3.

GOD THE CREATOR
Genesis 1:1, 2:7, Job 33:4, Psalm 33:6, 104:30, I sa 40:28, 44:24, 45:11-18, Mal 2:10

JESUS THE ROCK
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matt 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13

GOD THE ROCK
Deut 32:1-4, 2 Samuel 22:1-3, 22:32, Psalm 18:2, 31:3, 78:34-35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10-11

JESUS THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
1 John 4:14, 1 Peter 2:21-24, Acts 20:28, Gal 3:13, Luke 24:21-29, 2:10-11, Philippians 3:20, 1 Timothy 1:1-3, 4:10, Tutus 1:1-4, 2:10-13, 1 Peter 1:10-11, Jude 25

GOD THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
Psalm 78:34-35, I Isaiah 47:4, 44:6, 43:3-11, 45:21, 49:26, Psalm 106:21, Luke 1:46-47

JESUS FIRST AND LAST
Revelation 1:17, 22:13

GOD FIRST AND LAST
Isaiah 41:4, 43:10-11, 44:6-8

JESUS THE SHEPHERD
John 10:8-12, 1 Peter 2:21-25, Hebrews 13:20, 1 peter 5:4

GOD THE SHEPHERD
Psalm 23, Isaiah 40:10-11, Psalm 100

JESUS THE I AM AND I AM HE
John 18:5-8, 8:24-28, Revelation 1:17-18,

GOD THE I AM AND I AM HE
Exodus 3:13-14, Isaiah 43:10-11 and 25.

JESUS THE KING
Matthew 2:1-6, Luke 19:32-28, 23:3, John 18:37, 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Revelation 15:1-4, 19:11-16

GOD THE KING
Psalm 24, 44:4, 74:12, Isaiah 43:10-15, 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10, Zechariah 14:9

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." Deut. 6:4-5

The last scripture you qouted is the Shema and in Hebrew it speaks of a plurality of God which is Elohim and Echad.

Therefore they changed the meaning and words of the Shema so that it only speaks of a single deity.

Peace

DavidTree · Aug 15, 2022

Pilgrimshope said:

“The Hebrew word that is used to describe Elohim as 'one' is echad.
Echad means a united one and/or more then one acting as one.
Echad does not define as a single one but as a being one.”

brother have you noticed , everyone loves and believes in the name of Jesus ? Are baptized in his name , trust in his blood , trust in his word , trust in him for salvstion in all ways ? Worship him and follow him as lord ?

and understanding an ancient Hebrew term is t going to change the revelation of God in the New Testament ?

they didn’t have any concept of the son of God made flesh and coming to save the world from sin ? And no concept of receiving gods spirit dwelling in them rather than a man made temple in thoer camp ?

It still says the same things after ancient israel used the term Elohim to describe him I don’t see how that’s relevant God is one being that’s always been true

“jahovahs witness “lol brother I love you …..your funny sometimes

But anyways

Jesus is where you can see God revealed in one entity it’s the gospel of John and Paul’s epistles brother and a huge point of the book of revelation.

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

father son and Holy Ghost in one being named Jesus the only name on earth

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is God , now revealed but to see him we have to look at the gospel and believe this is about Jesus

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God created ….the spirit of that same creator moved , and he spoke forth light with his word

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-5, 10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s the same as created the earth and all things we just didn’t realize it while he was here and some still don’t realize what’s been revealed through the gospel of Christ

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God said let there be light and it was so ….

“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The Holy Spirit is also god with us

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God created all things , Jesus is that’s same God who later came nd revealed himself in the flesh to mankind in the gospel .

the holy spirit is Jesus with us still who believe each day he’s still there by his spirit he’s never been any different just has revealed himself to man in different ways

an all Powerful unknowable creator who dwells in the heavens beyond us

A humble man claiming to be Gods only begotten son who claims to be the savior and died and rose like he said

and the living spirit that comes to believers who when he died and rose and was glorified again as king he sent his promise of this spirit to believers

it’s one God , only it’s showing us his operation and revelations to save us

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see how father and son are one ?

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

same concept my father isn’t a name but he’s showing us his relationship with the Holy Spirit of God in him a spirit inside his temple a spirit dwelling inside a man With his spirit.

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

( brother David tree ) saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, (brother David tree ? )

he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
“In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see: for I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them;

and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭10:21-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what they knew as God , or Elohim, has now been made known in Jesus and the gospel brother He has revealed his own self in our form it was necassary to know God because he is so much greater than man he has to reach down low to us as children to lift us up

we couldn’t save ourselves or reach God the Father , we sinned and we’re doomed all of us we’re

so instead of crushing all sinners and starting over he loves us , so he dove into our hopeless situation himself and did all we needed him to do to fulfill the curses for us , so we can now repent and believe and be saved and return to him and live forever after we die in a place he’s been promising since Isaiah a new heaven and earth he’s prepared for those who love him Jesus i mean

God is one and has three main roles in a Christian’s life The father in heaven , the son who came to earth became flesh to save us , and the holy ghost who comes to live with us because we hear and believe the gospel about those things he’s done and said

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

( brother David tree ) saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, brother David tree ?

he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the father is in the son

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

just as a body and spirit are one so are father and son they are showing us the different functions of God and what he’s done in Christ and by giving his spirit

If God was a 'single entity' and/or one single being = you could not have the Gospel that saves us.

Peace

Aaron56 · Aug 15, 2022

DavidTree said:

Of course.

@Pilgrimshope has the correct understanding of this matter. I fully understand the objections: I cut my spiritual teeth on the “Trinity” doctrine taught by Athanasius. Arius, his main detractor, was wrong: his doctrine is the basis for JW’s beliefs. Yet, neither man saw it correctly. Both failed to see The Living God as a corporate Being.

We see this in Christ who is both One and corporate. Like Apple Inc. can be referred to as one company but we may use the pronoun “they” to denote all who comprise the corporation.

It’s late. I may pick this up tomorrow.
Grace and Peace.

jb · Aug 16, 2022

arthurfleminger said:

You can find a study Here on all aspects of the Trinity...

Carissa19 · Aug 16, 2022

We say The Holy Spirit is also Christ and God which is the Father. Christ living in you. The Holy Spirit Is of course God the 1 God. Christ spirit and the Father spirit who are all God in 1 God 1 King of Heaven Triune. Yet the Holy Spirit is also a seperate person from the Father and Spirit, often coming in the Form of a dove and as God is Love he is the very essence of Love within himself he is relational within himself 3 persons that make up one God.

And he said unto the Roman governor Pontius Pilate my KINGdom is not of this world. Meaning he is the King of Heaven. Of which Heaven only has 1 King who is God the Lord. Referring to himself as God the King.

God the unseen Father has made himself visible in the Son incarnate to us. As God is in the Son , he is in us who are his image, the image of the Son who is God.

If you have seen me you have seen the Father.
A son shall be given and he shall be called Mighty God ,Everlasting Father , Prince of Peace
Jesus is the Father made manifest in Flesh. Not ceasing to be God yet still calls the Father his Father as God is relational within himself having 3 persons who are intimately close to one another to make 1 God.
He is the bridge between God and Man. The God -man.
Glorify me Father with the glory I had with you, before the world was made.
The two divine persons-God the Father and God the Son-exist eternally and distinctly in an interpersonal relationship. For example, in the Garden of Gethsemane Jesus did not pray to Himself, but to the Father. In Jesus' prayer to God the Father, the clear distinction is made between the two of them. He prayed.
that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. "The glory which you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as we are one; I in them and you in me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that you sent me, and loved them, even as you have loved me

The Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. and a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” Here we have a distinction between the Persons of the Father Son and Holy Spirit. The Father who is unseen, the Son who is the Flesh and Logos/word of the Lord, and The Holy spirit which is from both from the Son and Father as well. That is why the Holy Spirit is also referred to as Christ , we can say when Christ enters you.
where God and man meet in Christ the God man.
Christ has always existed as what he refers to himself as the Alpha and Omega meaning he is the eternal King of heaven, sat upon his Father’s throne. The image of the Invisible God. God manifest to us in visible flesh and intimacy with the Holy Ghost which is also him.

Pilgrimshope · Aug 16, 2022

Aaron56 said:

“The Living God as a corporate Being.”

I used to not understand what you meant by saying this but the point hit home after discussions with you and some prayer and study “corporate “ is a good way of summarizing it

What does the Bible say about the Holy Spirit Being the Third Person of the Trinity?

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