Scripture is Our Source of Truth???????????

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Bob-Carabbio

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But we all disagree with each other as to the meaning of Scripture, the Old and New Testament. Whose interpretation of Scripture is authoritative?
The Holy Spirit's, of course, you want "Wisdom"??? ASK FOR IT SINGLE MINDEDLY and you'll be given it liberally (James 1:5).
 
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But we all disagree with each other as to the meaning of Scripture, the Old and New Testament. Whose interpretation of Scripture is authoritative?
What I have noticed over the years is that many go to the Scripture with only one thing in mind, to find Scripture that they can put their own interpretation on so as to prove what they already believe.
It is not about believing what Scriptures says, but how can I make it say what I want.
Read, study, and believe and stop with the interpretation.
 
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In the very beginning GOD SHOWS US exactly how the TEMPTER works in the words of God. To stay on the narrow path, the first words of the Ministry of Jesus must be heeded.

GOD COMMANDED

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

SATANS REPLY and necessary for every false doctrine and teaching
Yea, hath God said

Today it sounds like 'what He really meant' or 'that isn't what it says' or the like

Confirmed with His first words
Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


GODS WORD PROVES THIS TO BE A FACT. Not that anyone will listen or take it to heart or do anything about it. No, they will just say 'they are called' to a different way AND SO HERE WE ARE.

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept MUST BE upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Isaiah 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Not a bit different today than the day it was written. A stubborn and stiff necked people they were, just as we are. BUT THEY MADE FUN OF WHAT THE PROPHET HAD TOLD THEM, they mocked it, acted like it didn't matter, went on about their own way,

Isaiah 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;

(and the RESULT of such foolishness)
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

ever read and wonder 'who'?
Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Isaiah 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.

Isaiah 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves

Ever hear of the PRE TRIB RAPTURE THEORY? Remember what they were saying in Judah before they went into captivity of Babylon?
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TO US. But it did and it will.

Isaiah 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Isaiah 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

Isaiah 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Isaiah 28:19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

Isaiah 28:20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

Isaiah 28:21 For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

Isaiah 28:22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.

There is nothing new under the sun, what has been will be....

Reading Gods way, and in Gods order, GOD MOLDS our thoughts, His knowledge and His wisdom are placed PRECEPT ON PRECEPT so when it IS TIME for the "here a little.." the Holy Spirit make sure it is understood.
 
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So you believe you have identified the primary doctrines of Christianity?

You are a very brave person.

How about you offer the first three most important doctrines in the Christian church.
this is where the biggest and greatest problem lies at. nowhere in the Bible do we read anything is a Doctrine but the doctrines of man that JESUS condemned. man has decided that doctrines exist, not God. so while man is running around trying to gather every Verse for this position and that position, they have taken out the original meaning that applies to the entire Chapter its found in. any buffoon can cherry pick Verses. i prefer to read a Verse in context to the Verses before and after because it's placed where the true meaning is supposed to be discovered at.
 

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this is where the biggest and greatest problem lies at. nowhere in the Bible do we read anything is a Doctrine but the doctrines of man that JESUS condemned. man has decided that doctrines exist, not God. so while man is running around trying to gather every Verse for this position and that position, they have taken out the original meaning that applies to the entire Chapter its found in. any buffoon can cherry pick Verses. i prefer to read a Verse in context to the Verses before and after because it's placed where the true meaning is supposed to be discovered at.
A doctrine is simply a statement of truth. A statement of truth that is declared by God to be very important.

Obviously some verses in the New Testament are more important than other verses.

Some chapters are much more important than other chapters in the New Testament.

I will give you an example.

How many doctrines or verses are quoted from the letter to Philemon?

How many doctrines or verses are quoted from the letter to the Romans?

Not all New Testament letters carry the same weight.

Even the apostles placed specific importance on certain doctrines, articles of faith, truth statements. In the New Testament.
 
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A doctrine is simply a statement of truth. A statement of truth that is declared by God to be very important.

Obviously some verses in the New Testament are more important than other verses.

Some chapters are much more important than other chapters in the New Testament.

I will give you an example.

How many doctrines or verses are quoted from the letter to Philemon?

How many doctrines or verses are quoted from the letter to the Romans?

Not all New Testament letters carry the same weight.

Even the apostles placed specific importance on certain doctrines, articles of faith, truth statements. In the New Testament.
if it was truth, Jesus would have said i am making a Doctrine. or, i want man to take my Words and create Doctrines.
 

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In the very beginning GOD SHOWS US exactly how the TEMPTER works in the words of God. To stay on the narrow path, the first words of the Ministry of Jesus must be heeded.

GOD COMMANDED

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

SATANS REPLY and necessary for every false doctrine and teaching
Yea, hath God said

Today it sounds like 'what He really meant' or 'that isn't what it says' or the like

Confirmed with His first words
Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


GODS WORD PROVES THIS TO BE A FACT. Not that anyone will listen or take it to heart or do anything about it. No, they will just say 'they are called' to a different way AND SO HERE WE ARE.

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept MUST BE upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Isaiah 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Not a bit different today than the day it was written. A stubborn and stiff necked people they were, just as we are. BUT THEY MADE FUN OF WHAT THE PROPHET HAD TOLD THEM, they mocked it, acted like it didn't matter, went on about their own way,

Isaiah 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;

(and the RESULT of such foolishness)
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

ever read and wonder 'who'?
Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Isaiah 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.

Isaiah 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves

Ever hear of the PRE TRIB RAPTURE THEORY? Remember what they were saying in Judah before they went into captivity of Babylon?
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TO US. But it did and it will.

Isaiah 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Isaiah 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

Isaiah 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Isaiah 28:19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

Isaiah 28:20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

Isaiah 28:21 For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

Isaiah 28:22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.

There is nothing new under the sun, what has been will be....

Reading Gods way, and in Gods order, GOD MOLDS our thoughts, His knowledge and His wisdom are placed PRECEPT ON PRECEPT so when it IS TIME for the "here a little.." the Holy Spirit make sure it is understood.
Care to list the three most important doctrines, truth statements, given to mankind. To enable mankind to be saved.

I chose just three doctrines to try and keep this process as simple as possible.
 

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if it was truth, Jesus would have said i am making a Doctrine.
Did Jesus speak the truth?

If Jesus did speak the truth, what statements did Jesus make that really mattered?

Did Paul say anything that was extremely important to every Christian?

You are in the world of doctrine whether you want to be or not.

Every church has doctrine, ideas, verses, that they place importance upon.

What is the number one doctrine in Christianity?
 

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if it was truth, Jesus would have said i am making a Doctrine. or, i want man to take my Words and create Doctrines.
Did Jesus declare His own divinity?

Did Jesus say His death and resurrection were important?

Did Jesus promise to return?

Jesus directly asserted doctrines and so did the apostles.

Do you want the proof?
 
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Did Jesus speak the truth?

If Jesus did speak the truth, what statements did Jesus make that really mattered?

Did Paul say anything that was extremely important to every Christian?

You are in the world of doctrine whether you want to be or not.

Every church has doctrine, ideas, verses, that they place importance upon.

What is the number one doctrine in Christianity?
but that does not give the READER of the Holy Spirit Inspired Words permission to create Doctrines. we are to preach the Gospel of Christ and nothing else. and even that, Jesus said: My teaching is not mine, but his that sent me:
 

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The Rule of Faith and Biblical Interpretation in Evangelical Theological Interpretation of Scripture

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Abstract
One of the features of the Theological Interpretation of Scripture movement is the use of the rule of faith in biblical interpretation. However, a comparison of evangelical scholars in this movement shows that there are significant disagreements on the concept of the rule and its hermeneutical role. The present study attempts to clarify these disagreements and briefly analyze them. This article suggests that an engagement with Cullman’s notion of apostolic and post-apostolic traditions and with aspects of Irenaeus’s concept of rule of faith might be helpful for the understanding of the concept and role of the rule of faith."
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/themelios/article/the-rule-of-faith-and-biblical-interpretation/
 
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we have ONE ASSIGNMENT from God:

19 Go, make disciples of all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

20 teaching them to observe all things whatever I commanded you.


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where do you see make Doctrines at?
 

TheLearner

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but that does not give the READER of the Holy Spirit Inspired Words permission to create Doctrines. we are to preach the Gospel of Christ and nothing else. and even that, Jesus said: My teaching is not mine, but his that sent me:
Individuals do not creat doctrine. Doctrine is Defined using Scripture using and stated in creeds of church councils. Even the Protestant churches accept the first seven as authoritive.
 

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but that does not give the READER of the Holy Spirit Inspired Words permission to create Doctrines. we are to preach the Gospel of Christ and nothing else. and even that, Jesus said: My teaching is not mine, but his that sent me:
You seem hesitant to define the doctrines of Christianity.

How about I make it even simpler for you.

How do you define the word Christian, what is a Christian?
 
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Individuals do not creat doctrine. Doctrine is Defined using Scripture using and stated in creeds of church councils. Even the Protestant churches accept the first seven as authoritive.
did God tell man to make Doctrines, or did man decide on his own to make Doctrines?