Believers Sins Are Forgiven & Washed Away Forever

That's not Gospel.


What a tragedy.
Eternal irrevocable free gift of Salvation by God's grace through faith.

It's called Eternal Salvation. Eternal Life.
Of all that the Father gives Jesus, he shall lose none. No one shall take us from his hand.

Conditional reprieve, works,merit based, rescue from damnation that is able to be rescinded by peoples actions, when their fallen nature itself could not save them before but is said to damn them again by one slip on their part, is not the Gospel.
It's the lie perpetrated by the enemy of the Gospel. He who imagined the whole worlds people would eternally be his, when we're first born bearing that nature particular to his domain.

Now he strives to tempt us away from the truth of Eternal Irrevocable Salvation. Roaming Earth like a hungry lion seeking souls to devour and minds to mislead.

Much like when he tried to tempt Jesus during Jesus' fast. ''If you're the Son of God.....''

Only now he knows Jesus is the Son of God. So he changes his rhetoric accordingly.

''If you're in the Son of God....keep working to earn your Salvation because it can be taken back if you displease God.''


Sad. 😢

''Hypergracers.''

A neologism intended to devalue the Spirit of the Gospel.

We are Saved by God's free irrevocable gift of grace through faith. Eternally.

Works conditional probation from ones fallen dead in sin human nature is not the Good News of God.

It's the Sophistry of God's Adversary. He who has been a liar from the beginning.
And that has not changed.

He has his faithful too you know. 💔🥺

“That's not Gospel.”

this is the gospel it’s written we have to hear and believe it lol not reject it

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus then starts preaching the gospel teaching people about salvstion speaking the everlasting covenant and saying hear me and believe and you will be saved into my kingdom.

“And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭9:35‬ ‭

“Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:18‬ ‭

“And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭4:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭20:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:33‬ ‭

in other words you have to do this to even know what the gospel is and be saved

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s what Paul was speaking from he agreed with everything Jesus said

“for the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:50‬ ‭

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is written on the Bible we’re supposed to hear and believe what he’s teaching us about the kingdom we can’t reject the gospel that’s written nd try to find a verse saying “grace that erases everything “
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the Bible holds the witness of Gods kingdom of promise that’s the gospel of we believe well Be saved The scriptures of the New Testament are the only way to ever understand the gospel d not just a cherry picked verse about grace it’s all relevant and true and applicable all
Of the apostles taught the gospel thy same things Jesus taught them

we’re meant to hear and believe it it’s truly free and simple and true but if we never accept it it’s not going to help

That's very eloquent.
I don't suppose you are a lady preacher are you? Regardless, that'll preach.

I can't stay long this weekend, but wondering what your main point is on this post. Those are all beautiful verses from our English Bible. At least what I read of Bluesproverb and your verses are in agreement. It all sounds like the unmerited kindness of God's good news. Is that what you are saying here?

To reject Salvation is eternal is to reject what is the Good News of God's free irrevocable gift of grace through faiths Salvation. God's faith in us as our faith given by his grace to his Elect/Chosen.

We do not lose what we did not buy. Jesus purchased us on the cross as the propitiation for our sins,eternally.

God is not a man that he should lie.

You do not see it.
You like many others misunderstand Hebrews 6.
Because all the words of God are one suscinct harmonious message of his total sovereignty over his creation.

Hebrews 6 rebukes those who imagine to life a Neologism like ''hypergracer''.

Hebrews 6 rebukes those who insist,contrary to the teachings of Jesus and his own words and promise, that we can lose our Salvation.

Hebrews 6 tells you that is not possible.

Because Jesus' Gospel told you that first, and his sealing its eternal covenant with his blood on the cross guaranteed it.

Hebrews 6 tells you, even if we lose our way, lose our faith, if that could condemn us back to who we were as one dead in our sin, the cross would have been of no effect in securing God's free irrevocable gift of faith and Eternal Life in our Salvation.

If we fall out of faith, if we sin, and are not eternally secured by the promise of the creator who knew us before the womb, from our beginning unto our end, and still sent his spirit to let us hear his call to his grace, but are instead condemned again for having lost our way for a time, and that would cost our Salvation for those choices we made, even in losing faith, the cross was of no effect.

Hebrews 6 tells you, our faith and Salvation that were free irrevocable gifts of God, could those be lost by our acts as if unforeseen by God, would be to presume to crucify Christ all over again in order for his death to save us again. And contrary to what Jesus said, he did lose us. And we did fall from his hand.

Because in his omniscience he failed to see we would stumble being human still yet with a new nature we are growing into.
And everytime,should we stumble again, he'd have to die on the cross to save us again. Because,as some teach, Salvation secured by the cross can be made forfeit by our choice.

Because Jesus' blood did not cover eternally our sins the Father said he'd remember no more.

However, that is not the Gospel.

Which is what Hebrews 6 is actually reiterating to those who think to abrogate the Gospel by thinking to insist we can fall out of what God irrevocably gifted us, and Jesus died to prove is his truth.

For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.


Jesus either died once to eternally secure the Salvation of those whom God called, or he didn't.

God knows, he did.
And so too do his Chosen.

https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/12other/If_We_Sin_Willfully_EXPLAINED.mp4

There's no more sacrifice for sins than what Jesus already provided.
My works and your works put together for one hundred years can't pay for even one sin.
Works were never intended to, not do they have the power to pay for our sins.
Our only correct response is given exactly 100 times in one book of the KJBible that was written specifically for the lost in order to have everlasting life. Do you know which NT book that is?

That's all I've got for today.

The gospel of the grace of God is defined in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4. It is specifically how Christ died for our sins, was buried, and raised again the third day. Can you post scripture where Christ and his disciples preached this message? Thanks.

Aren't all of God's Chosen preachers of his word? We collectively are his church. Our life a profession of his Good News at work, in those works he prepared for us before the foundation of the world.
Works that serve,not save.😉📖🕊️✝️💕😊

The cite you gave in support of your false claims. Completely disagrees with your position.

Your main expressed problem with the OP is you believe Jesus' sin atonement only covers sin pre-conversion. I believe faith placed in Jesus sin atoning death & resurrection removes ALL sin. Past-present-Future.

https://www.gotquestions.org/ Also believes Jesus' sin atoning death & resurrection removes ALL sin, Past-Present-Future. Read these links:

Is once saved, always saved biblical? - gotquestions answer YES!
https://www.gotquestions.org/once-saved-always-saved.html

Eternal security - is it biblical? - gotquestions answer YES!
https://www.gotquestions.org/eternal-security.html

Can a Christian lose salvation? - gotquestions answer NO!
https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-salvation.html

Is eternal security a “license” to sin?
https://www.gotquestions.org/license-sin.html

What is repentance and is it necessary for salvation? gotquestions answer Repent, in relation to salvation, change your mind regarding sin & Christ.
Repentance is not a work we do to earn salvation
https://www.gotquestions.org/repentance.html


(MY NOTE: Heb 7:27 who has no day-by-day need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices, first of all for his own [personal] sins and then for those of the people, because He [met all the requirements and] did this once for all when He offered up Himself [as a willing sacrifice].
Bible source link: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+7&version=AMP
(MY NOTE: Jesus Once for all time {all sins forever] God blood offering perpetually cleanses sins. He doesn't have to ever hang between heaven & earth again, EVER!)

One Sacrifice of Christ Is Sufficient
See Heb 10:1-10

Verse 10 And in accordance with this will [of God] we [who believe in the message of salvation] have been sanctified [that is, set apart as holy for God and His purposes] through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed) once for all.
Bible source link: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+10&version=AMP
(MY NOTE: Believers are sanctified by the once for all time sin offering of Jesus the Christ)

Finally:
Once we've acknowledged there is a creator God. That we have sinned against His sovereign reign, derserve heavens wage/DEATH (Rom 6:23). That we're in need of rescue & The Father sent His Son to rescue us. Right here we repent from unbelief to belief. When we confess our sins & trust/receive Christ as Lord & Savior & believe He was raisrd from the dead.

From here whenever Christ's indwelling Holy Spirit reveals to us, we're off course. Our prayer shouldn't be begging for repentance. It should be thank you Lord for the revelation & the forgiveness already provided in Christ. Lead me to get back on the right track. Best wishes may His Grace by multiplied to you & yours. FD

“It all sounds like the unmerited kindness of God's good news. Is that what you are saying here?”


yeah I don’t think we’re completely opposed what I’m saying is Gods grace sounds like this d teaches these principles

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s gods grace it teaches repentance from sin and obedience to The gospel , it changes us from workers of iniquity to people zealous of good works.

When we take away the things like repentance and obedience that we are being taught to do it’s not longer Gods grace that offers salvation that’s my point to say “unwarranted favor “ is not grace grace doesn’t change our need for repentance and obedience to God

there’s grace we are warned not to fall for its whn we take away all we’re being taught like how we have to repent and can’t just keep sinning and expect salvstion ect it becomes this distortion of grace d this issue the church faced then and now with this distortion of grace eliminating repentance and obedience to the gospel

“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; how that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:4-8, 10-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

my point is “ saved by grace “ has no understanding of gods grace in that statement we twist it into “ we’re saved by unwarranted favor there’s nothing we need to do repent ? Everyone sins , obey ? That’s the law of works ect

grace can be what Gods gave us that’s going to teach us to repent and obey the lords will which is what the New Testament is doing teaching us we can’t keep serving Satans Will we have to deny that me turn to good

the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; “


My points simple this is a teaching of grace

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is a teaching of grace forgiving the sin and instructing repentance

“She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the go and sin no more part is grace teaching us the truth Gods grace is not void of our response to the gospel what we do matters is the point grace is what teaches us about repentance and righteousness it doesn’t make those things irrelevant to salvstion

that’s the other grace we’re warned so sternly and clearly about that makes grace into some thy king it isn’t liscense to say I’m saved and I don’t have anything to do or change I’m saved in my sin and repentance isn’t grace

we don’t have to say the phrase but if the message is grace eliminates all we’re taught about sin , eternal
Jidgement , repentance , righteousness ect it’s not Gods grace it’s a twisted form of grace a deception saying “ dont worry about what God said your saved by unwarranted favor “

Grace saves us because it’s what comes to a believer of the gospel Jesus preached and sent his apostles out to preach

we have to believe if we’re believers d the stuff like this we don’t like hearing

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s grace teaching us we have to stop sinning because we don’t want to be partakers with the disobedient in Hods wrath

grace is a teacher or repentance and righteousness and good works is my simple point it is t the excuse we now have to not believe any of that stuff we’re saved by the grace God offers in the gospel not the thing we created later

“The gospel of the grace of God is defined in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4. It is specifically how Christ died for our sins, was buried, and raised again the third day.”

that’s actually your definition of the gospel that Paul refers to as full of grace . You are using event that occurred in the gospel to erase everything hate actually taught in the gospel.

Paul’s saying “ the events you heard about in the gospel is the first thing we have to believe we always have to believe in order to be a Christian “ Jesus does for my sins , and was raised to life for justification of mankind’s sin “

this is not Paul saying “ do t believe everything else I’m teaching you in these letters , reject the things I’m saying like this

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21, 24-25‬

to read Paul talk about Jesus death and resurrection bekng an essential belief a foundational belief of Christianity relating to our salvation is in no way whatsoever to be used as a way to erase the things he says about what Christian’s have to do to be saved .

But yes actually I can show you prophets preaching Jesus death for mans sin and resurrection , his ascention to the throne in heaven , hundreds of years before Jesus was born

And of course I can show you Jesus teaching “ I’m going to die and give my life as a ransom for mans sin , I’m going to shed the blood of remission of sin soon for you and rise again the third day.

I’m going to be seated at Gods right hand if you hear and believe the gospel and repent of serving the Will
Of Satan ( sin ) and start following Gods Will( righteousness ) I’ll give you everlasting life in my kingdom

Nd I can show you Paul preaching every aspect of what Jesus taught in the gospel in his epistles eternal
Jidgement based upon our works good or evil , the difference in those who repent and obey the gospel , and those who refuse to accept the truth and repent

but the problem is you’ll reject it based on some verses like “ saved by grace not works “ or the reference to our need to believe Jesus does for our sins and was raised for our justification

hypergrace interpretations are deceptions so after we see Paul teaching things like repentance and obedience , we use a grace verse and say “ this erases that sort of like tbis

you quote this

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and say that means this warning can’t possibly be true

“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Your using one point Paul makes to erase the other points he makes in long letters so yeah if you are really going to acknolwedge it when I do I’ll take the time to show you from old testsment to new testsment preaching what Paul preached and Paul saying “ I haven’t said anything but what moses and the prophets said.

are you going to acknowledge it if I do brother or just quote verse where Paul’s making a different point about something in some other place on scripture ?

There is a difference between the gospel unto salvation and how the saved individual ought to conduct his life once saved. Big, big difference. The gospel unto salvation is what Christ accomplished at the cross. The believer's conduct is addressed in the letters to the churches.

“There is a difference between the gospel unto salvation and how the saved individual ought to conduct his life once saved. “

see how quickly you need to inject your own interpretation ? The gospel is the gospel recorded in the gospels of “Matthew mark Luke and John “

it is a record of Jesus miracle birth which the old testsment promised brother consider this for a moment just actually think about this

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”

‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The fulfillment of this is the gospel

“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The prophets wrote the Christ who was born of a virgin would also die for sin


“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”

‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭53:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The gospel is a record of when hat came to pass

The prophets said he would rise again from that death , the gospel is the record of that coming to pass



The prophets said Jesus would be taken to the throne of God d sit at his rig he hand until the world was brought into obedience to him



the gospel is the record of this coming to pass

the gospel is recorded in the gospel according to Matthew , mark Luke and John. It begins with johns ministry and is complete when Jesus is taken into heaven

So it begins here

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;”

‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭

“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;”

‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭

it’s a record of this happening

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ….And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.”

‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


and it ends here

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

(ANd then they went and witnessed it to others )



And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”( the record in the book of acts )

‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬



The gospel is the record of God walking among us , teaching us about mercy brotherly love and repentance and promising eternal life to those who would hear and believe him.

there is nothing in scripture that says we only are meant to accept Jesus death and resurrection and then reject the things God said to us. God walked among us and preached the true one and only gospel the only one there is or will ever be it’s the whole record of the gospels the time when Jesus walked among us and explained salvation explained eternal life and said yo e who believes will Be saved

The old testsment foretold a day when Christ would preach the gospel the good news of Gods mercy and salvation to those who would turn from sin and believe in him trust in him , the gospel is when the promises of Christ came to pass

Paul was preaching to people who believed the record of Jesus life death and resurrection that’s the gospel d it includes God walking among us telling us plainly “if you accept my word you’ll live or you reject it you’ll die “

the. He died and rose d sent out witnesses preaching his word to everyone

the gospel of grace brother is right here it’s to do this

“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we have to accept the lord d him teaching us about life and death is part of it we have to learn from the gospel from the gospel Jesus preached that’s Gods word

Does one need to understand all what you wrote of the "gospel" to be saved? Or can one call upon the Lord in believing what He accomplished for them at the cross for the forgiveness of sins and be saved? Heck, even the disciples had no clue about the d,b,r until after it happened.

Does one need to understand all what you wrote of the "gospel" to be saved?

nope one receives a promise from Jesus the moment they hear about Jesus being Gods son , and dying for the forgiveness of thier own sins , and resurrection to life .

From this point on they can have a promise from thier lord that they will be saved in the end.

but this is a new born babe in Christ he’s just freshly born and now it’s time to begin to learn from d trust in the thkngs his father is teaching him so he can grow and developed good character and good judgement that’s going to keep him safe in a dangerous world that’s going to try to pull him away from Gods Will one day , d he needs to listen to his Father who’s exploring him to hear and listen to what he’s teaching so he can overcome the test and trials ahead that the world holds for us

what we have to do is stop serving sin stop pretending “ it’s already forgiven so why don’t need to stop ?” It’s our belief that has to change , that’s what repentance is or where it really comes from we have to believe what we are hearing as we learn the thing Jesus and all the apostles paul and Peter and John wrote for the church to know and believe

but no we’re only accountable for what we learn and really understand of the gospel so if our u dersrs sing is truly Jesus does and rose that’s enough to save us

if we’re telling everyone “ there’s nothing else that applies “ that’s the point we’re straying we’re disciples ere always learning through our lives brother I’ve read the Bible a lot but I can still read the same things d something else teaches me new lesson

it’s ongoing Gods word is making us become right people he’s teaching us to learn that sin is deadly we need to stop d the thkngs jesus taught is Gods Will for mankind for eternal life

we have to learn the difference in good and evil d not do the evil d start doing the good is my point once we believe d Jesus teachings are what we’re meant to learn and do he’s teaching us to be Gods children in our ways

“Or can one call upon the Lord in believing what He accomplished for them at the cross for the forgiveness of sins and be saved?”

We have to believe Jesus word brother look can you see how “this is the gospel of grace ?”

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s no reason for us to fear his word it’s going to save us if we start hearing what God said I’m saying we don’t eliminate that part of it the things we need to learn and accept see Paul also was saying this in his epistles I’m talking about this part of salvstion

“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Do all things without murmurings and disputings: that ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

All we have to do is become those who lesrn from jesus and take it seriously and start following those ways we can’t refuse his word but if we don’t know we’re not going to be held accountable

there’s a difference in hearing the lords word and rejecting it saying that’s not necassary and “ I didn’t know jesus was saying that before but now I do “

we should t insist there’s any life sort from the life jesus told us about and said “ go tell the world about this and whoever believes will be saved “

We aren’t perfect and he knows it our only need is to let what he said himself become true that’s going to lead us as we learn to walk in the light

His doctrine as we learn it is full of reassurance we can feel safe , but also it’s full of rebuke and warnings and correction , so we can keep safe , and it’s full of a don and glorious promises of an eternal home with jesus where God will once again walk among us like in the gospel

but no brother we don’t have to understand much at all if we believe in the son of God , giving his life to pay for our sins , and then we’re willing to hear what he said and believe the latter part there is to walk in faith and abide in Christ

we don’t have to know much but we can’t hear his word and refuse it either is the thing

Agreed brother. We can end this right here on these glorious truths.

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


why would we want to end it with just one aspect lol ? There’s this reaction to hearing the gospel

“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it comes from this place of transgression

“And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then Theres the truth of the gospel

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭

and then theres this understandkng of Gods word for a believer of the gospel

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: …Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is where we don’t need to be afraid of what God said and can do this without needing to do anything but trust him and hear what he’s saying , it’s the Lord he came to save us and tell us the truth

“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then there was the Pharisees who even though they were sinners too , thought they were chosen and righteous they didn’t need to hear him so they murmured

“And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And questioned the lord about it

“But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners?

And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:30-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬


If we will Accept Jesus who we learn about in the four gospels what he did , what he said , what he promised those who believe him , those who trust in his name , who believe he shed his blood for them , who believe the things he taught them about repentance and Gods Will

“Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.”
‭‭John‬ ‭7:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”
‭‭2 John‬ ‭1:9

it’s not okay to cut out the doctrine is my obnoxious point 😀

we just learn and then walk by what we’re able to grasp , ten people could read the four gospels each one complete time and each all going to get different lessons form it if they’ll let it in to thier beliefs

we just follow the things that are sinking in brother we’re not looking at an iron law that has a certain number of requirements it’s the faith we are hearing a we learn the gospel over time as we hear what Jesus was really saying on earth to man we can start walking by faith as we learn

no ones lost if thier a believer but they do need to take the gospel seriously and let what God said about salvation be what he said about salvation

How do you reconcile that with this?

2 Corinthians 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2 Corinthians 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Well said, AMEN & Amen