Believers Sins Are Forgiven & Washed Away Forever
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Would you be kind enough to cite the scriptures on hyper grace that you tied this Forgiveness post to. Thx, in advance. FD
Repentance vs Faith
In relation to salvation, repentance means to change your mind from unbelief/rejection of who Christ is to belief/acceptance of Christ as God's Son. More specifically placing one's faith in Jesus's sin atoning sacrifice & resurrection.
Ultimately, there is only one sin that Jesus's payment doesn't/won't forgive/pardon: "Unbelief" in & the rejection of, Christ's sin payment & resurrection, until/at life's end/death. (We all die Heb 9:27)
Jn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
(MY MOTE: You'll die in you sins if you don't repent from everyone? NO! You will die in your sins if you don't BELIEVE in Christ!)
I believe the word repentance is the most misunderstood & misused word in Christianity. Invariably people like you tie repent to every sins. Jesus added thoughts to the law (Matt 5:21-28) good luck controling/repenting from every single one of them.
Jn 12:32 Jesus said; And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
(MY NOTE: Jesus was in fact lifted up. Everybody is drawn to/offered salvation via God's Holy Spirit. Sadly, not everyone excepts/embraces it, by FAITH)
Jn 16:
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
(MY NOTE: The Holy Spirit will reprove/expose/convict everyone of, sins? NO of "SIN" singular.)
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
(NOTE: The only SIN that condemns one to eternal separation/damnation is UNBELIEF! Continued rejection of Christ's sin payment & resurrection, until/at life's end. Jesus sin payment covers/includes all sin except rejection of His finished works at life's end/your death)
1 Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
(MY NOTE: Anyone that believes they can conquer their own sin nature, without Gods help is mistaken)
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches """of his goodness""" and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that """the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance"""?
(MY NOTE: It's thru the GOODNESS of GOD not thru OUR OWN great work of sin repentance, obedience or self-control. That we REPENT/change our thinking/course. It's salvations seal of indwelling Holy Spirit that leads us to REPENT/change our thinking outlook & direction).
Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all them which heard the word.
(MY NOTE: They Believed (vs43) & as Peter spoke (vs44) The Holy Spirit fell on them (vs45). NO REPENTANCE of any kind here, No water baptism, No circumcision, they brought no sin sacrifice to the Temple, No law keeping etc)
Thru faith & faith alone, placed in Jesus redemptive work & resurrection. These gentiles were given/received the baptism OF & were eternally sealed BY God's indwelling Holy Spirit (vs45) = SAVED - FINISHED TRANSACTION! Also see Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22 & Eph 4:30/sealed until the day of redemption, Rom 8:38-39)
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life
(MY NOTE: God has GRANTED the gentiles repentance.)
Rom 1:5 "Through him we received grace" & apostleship "to call all the Gentiles to the obedience" "that comes from faith" for his name’s sake.
(MY NOTE: Believers are called to obedience thru faith")
Rom 16:26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, ""so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience"" ""that comes from faith""
(MY NOTE: Obedience comes from faith)
Repentance doesn't forgive/pardon sin, water baptism doesn't forgive/pardon sin, obedience doesn't forgive/pardon sin, sabbath observance doesn't forgive/pardon sin, etc.
There's only ONE thing that can Purify/wash sin's stain off a soul. Faith placed in the sinless shed blood & resurrection of Jesus the Christ!
It's just sad when Christians claim what our great God & Savior suffered & died for, "OUR SINS", just isn't quite good enough. And somehow their great self-works [Ck Isa 64:6 on that one] is how we obtain God's GIFT of eternal life.
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Hi,
Agreed we should do our best to love God 1st & one another. Christ will do the rest.
Matt 22:
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 And Jesus replied to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself [that is, unselfishly seek the best or higher good for others].’
40 The whole Law and the [writings of the] Prophets depend on these two commandments.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22&version=AMP (Also see Mark 12:28-34, John 13:34-35)
(MY NOTE: If we truly love God & our brother. We won't kill, steal, covet, falsely accuse etc)
1 Jn 2:
1 My little children (believers, dear ones), I am writing you these things so that you will not sin and violate God’s law. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate [who will intercede for us] with the Father: Jesus Christ the righteous [the upright, the just One, who conforms to the Father’s will in every way—purpose, thought, and action].
2 And He [that same Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins [the atoning sacrifice that holds back the wrath of God that would otherwise be directed at us because of our sinful nature—our worldliness, our lifestyle]; and not for ours alone, but also for [the sins of all believers throughout] the whole world.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 John+2&version=AMP
(MY NOTE: Jesus is not only our sin atoning sacrifice, but also our interceding sin advocate & our final sin Judge [Jn 5:22]. Final sin verdict NOT GUILTY!)
Ultimately our commitment to the Lord is a marriage vow. Having said that, babes in Christ must, by faith, start somewhere. Understanding they are loved by Christ have been eternally forgiven.
It's a better starting point then today's unfortunate unscriptural presentations. That The Lord that died, to free them from sins (under Mosaic law) penalties. By taking ALL sins penalties upon Himself, on a cross. Additionally, no living person today has ever been under Mosaic law.
Finally:
True faith comes from the heart, Christ knows everyone's true heart.
1 Cor 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
If someone is making faith statements/confessions trying to cover their bases. They are only fooling themselves. Peace, FD
Agreed we should do our best to love God 1st & one another. Christ will do the rest.
Matt 22:
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 And Jesus replied to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself [that is, unselfishly seek the best or higher good for others].’
40 The whole Law and the [writings of the] Prophets depend on these two commandments.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22&version=AMP (Also see Mark 12:28-34, John 13:34-35)
(MY NOTE: If we truly love God & our brother. We won't kill, steal, covet, falsely accuse etc)
1 Jn 2:
1 My little children (believers, dear ones), I am writing you these things so that you will not sin and violate God’s law. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate [who will intercede for us] with the Father: Jesus Christ the righteous [the upright, the just One, who conforms to the Father’s will in every way—purpose, thought, and action].
2 And He [that same Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins [the atoning sacrifice that holds back the wrath of God that would otherwise be directed at us because of our sinful nature—our worldliness, our lifestyle]; and not for ours alone, but also for [the sins of all believers throughout] the whole world.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 John+2&version=AMP
(MY NOTE: Jesus is not only our sin atoning sacrifice, but also our interceding sin advocate & our final sin Judge [Jn 5:22]. Final sin verdict NOT GUILTY!)
Ultimately our commitment to the Lord is a marriage vow. Having said that, babes in Christ must, by faith, start somewhere. Understanding they are loved by Christ have been eternally forgiven.
It's a better starting point then today's unfortunate unscriptural presentations. That The Lord that died, to free them from sins (under Mosaic law) penalties. By taking ALL sins penalties upon Himself, on a cross. Additionally, no living person today has ever been under Mosaic law.
Finally:
True faith comes from the heart, Christ knows everyone's true heart.
1 Cor 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
If someone is making faith statements/confessions trying to cover their bases. They are only fooling themselves. Peace, FD
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Amen! Totally agree, confirmed by Scripture:
The THREE Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation:
"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not
trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who delivered
us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in Whom we trust that He
will yet deliver us;" (2 Corinthians 1:9-10 KJB!) =
Precious friend(s), Is not the Solution to Confusion recog-
nizing These THREE, And, Also, God's Differences Between
"HIS Relationship With us," And "our fellowship with HIM!"?
God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:
► faith ◄
1) Past Tense = "...God delivered us from so great a death...":
God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship With
those who humbly repent and:
believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
HIS Death (Precious BLOOD), Burial, And HIS Resurrection,
According To The Scriptures!
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)
"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits
Of HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:
All sins Forgiven, His Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
(Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 2:13; Romans 6:23; Romans 5:1)
This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Penalty of sin,
The So Great A [Second ] Death! (Revelation 21:8) =
Justification and Spiritual Sanctification
(2 Corinthians 1:10a cp Romans 3:24)
(More Biblical Confirmation is here: God's ETERNAL Assurance!
And here:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!)
► faith ◄
God's ETERNAL Justification/Relationship Is First, And, Then:
►► love ◄◄
(2) Present Tense = "...God doth deliver us...":
All believers Should do "good works" {Which will Never
Equal CHRIST's Payment For the above Penalty of sin!},
for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform
for Him, having "been Called into fellowship With Him!"
(Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?:
We "work out our own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This
Should Be a lifetime of Daily submission, and renewing,
being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),
for Grace Deliverance From the power of sin!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10b) = personal sanctification:
(2a) Christ Living In us, To Fulfil:
All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love thy neighbor as thyself!"
(Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)
(2b) His Spirit Guiding and Teaching us, How To:
"Study to shew thyself Approved Unto God, work-man that
needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly Dividing The Word Of Truth!"
(2 Timothy 2:15 KJB)
Eternal Results: reward [or loss *] (1 Corinthians 3:8-15),
ruling and reigning [or not *] With CHRIST, Which Will Finally Be
At The Judgment Day!
* More study: Finishing The Race
►► love ◄◄:
►►► Blessed HOPE! ◄◄◄
(3) Future Tense = "...God Will Yet Deliver us":
CHRIST's Glorification of All "members" Of HIS Body!!
{This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin!}
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57;
2 Corinthians 1:10c). Hallelujah! Praise HIS Excellent Name!!
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Conclusion: Of course, Many Still Refuse to believe God's Own BLOOD
Is ALL-Sufficient for TOTAL Payment For their sins; how then does the
"sinners payment" EQUAL "God's PAYMENT"? still Baffling to me, but:
BIG Differences Between the THREE tenses Of God's Eternal Salvation,
And Between God's Relationship And our fellowship! Correct?
Please Be Very Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!:
(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 3:9 GRACE/Mystery
fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, For All “To See,” today?)
The THREE Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation:
"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not
trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who delivered
us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in Whom we trust that He
will yet deliver us;" (2 Corinthians 1:9-10 KJB!) =
Precious friend(s), Is not the Solution to Confusion recog-
nizing These THREE, And, Also, God's Differences Between
"HIS Relationship With us," And "our fellowship with HIM!"?
God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:
► faith ◄
1) Past Tense = "...God delivered us from so great a death...":
God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship With
those who humbly repent and:
believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
HIS Death (Precious BLOOD), Burial, And HIS Resurrection,
According To The Scriptures!
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)
"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits
Of HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:
All sins Forgiven, His Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
(Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 2:13; Romans 6:23; Romans 5:1)
This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Penalty of sin,
The So Great A [Second ] Death! (Revelation 21:8) =
Justification and Spiritual Sanctification
(2 Corinthians 1:10a cp Romans 3:24)
(More Biblical Confirmation is here: God's ETERNAL Assurance!
And here:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!)
► faith ◄
God's ETERNAL Justification/Relationship Is First, And, Then:
►► love ◄◄
(2) Present Tense = "...God doth deliver us...":
All believers Should do "good works" {Which will Never
Equal CHRIST's Payment For the above Penalty of sin!},
for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform
for Him, having "been Called into fellowship With Him!"
(Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?:
We "work out our own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This
Should Be a lifetime of Daily submission, and renewing,
being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),
for Grace Deliverance From the power of sin!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10b) = personal sanctification:
(2a) Christ Living In us, To Fulfil:
All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love thy neighbor as thyself!"
(Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)
(2b) His Spirit Guiding and Teaching us, How To:
"Study to shew thyself Approved Unto God, work-man that
needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly Dividing The Word Of Truth!"
(2 Timothy 2:15 KJB)
Eternal Results: reward [or loss *] (1 Corinthians 3:8-15),
ruling and reigning [or not *] With CHRIST, Which Will Finally Be
At The Judgment Day!
* More study: Finishing The Race
►► love ◄◄:
►►► Blessed HOPE! ◄◄◄
(3) Future Tense = "...God Will Yet Deliver us":
CHRIST's Glorification of All "members" Of HIS Body!!
{This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin!}
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57;
2 Corinthians 1:10c). Hallelujah! Praise HIS Excellent Name!!
----------------------------------
Conclusion: Of course, Many Still Refuse to believe God's Own BLOOD
Is ALL-Sufficient for TOTAL Payment For their sins; how then does the
"sinners payment" EQUAL "God's PAYMENT"? still Baffling to me, but:
BIG Differences Between the THREE tenses Of God's Eternal Salvation,
And Between God's Relationship And our fellowship! Correct?
Please Be Very Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!:
(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 3:9 GRACE/Mystery
fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, For All “To See,” today?)
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“I didn't read your post because a) it's too long “
Yeah the real way to really understand the Bible , is to avoid the huge volume of repeated scripture saying the same thing. Got it 🙂
“more importantly, the emphases throughout the text make it difficult to read. Can't you say something without all the emphases?”
And sure since you are genuinely willing to consider scripture for you I sure will
so I hope you’ll actually read this and actually reply to what’s there rather than seeking to avoid it so here you are upon your request this is what nearly 70 years has taught me
“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 KJV
“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;
they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:28-29 KJV
“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of
the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:”
Romans 2:5-10 KJV
I’m pretty sure it’s not the emphasis I’m using that makes it hard to grasp , I think it’s an unwillingness to acknolwedge what’s there
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”
Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV
see it still says the same thing no matter whether the letters are bold doesn’t change the message that you disagree with
“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.”
Hebrews 6:4-6
Again after we receive the Holy Spirit we can’t keep living like we’re filled with a sinful spirit we can’t serve satans Will me live in Christ at the same time
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;
but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
Romans 14:10-12 KJV
“and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:15
Why repent we’re already saved
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
Wait is Jesus actually telling us something that can save us from perishing ? Is he trying to save us by telling us the truth about sin and repentance ?
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
I’ll stop there because I don’t think you’ll acknolwedge any of it bold or not . But there ya go any more complaints to avoid what it says ?
Yeah the real way to really understand the Bible , is to avoid the huge volume of repeated scripture saying the same thing. Got it 🙂
“more importantly, the emphases throughout the text make it difficult to read. Can't you say something without all the emphases?”
And sure since you are genuinely willing to consider scripture for you I sure will
so I hope you’ll actually read this and actually reply to what’s there rather than seeking to avoid it so here you are upon your request this is what nearly 70 years has taught me
“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 KJV
“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;
they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:28-29 KJV
“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of
the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:”
Romans 2:5-10 KJV
I’m pretty sure it’s not the emphasis I’m using that makes it hard to grasp , I think it’s an unwillingness to acknolwedge what’s there
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”
Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV
see it still says the same thing no matter whether the letters are bold doesn’t change the message that you disagree with
“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.”
Hebrews 6:4-6
Again after we receive the Holy Spirit we can’t keep living like we’re filled with a sinful spirit we can’t serve satans Will me live in Christ at the same time
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;
but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
Romans 14:10-12 KJV
“and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:15
Why repent we’re already saved
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
Wait is Jesus actually telling us something that can save us from perishing ? Is he trying to save us by telling us the truth about sin and repentance ?
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
I’ll stop there because I don’t think you’ll acknolwedge any of it bold or not . But there ya go any more complaints to avoid what it says ?
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I will quote from Got Questions, since they have an article on this subject: "The term hyper-grace has been used to describe a new wave of teaching that emphasizes the grace of God to the exclusion of other vital teachings such as repentance and confession of sin. Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it."
https://www.gotquestions.org/hyper-grace.html
https://www.gotquestions.org/hyper-grace.html
So, as usual no scripture to support of your false claim. Only because you say so.
I can't find hyper grace in any bible. I can't find gotquestions in any version either.
Sorry, that doesn't work for me. I stand behind the verses I posted in the OP . And the scripture I cited in my reply to you. You're free to believe & promote your heart, as am I.
To be clear, neither in this post, nor at any other (I've placed 100's). Have I ever advocated ungodly living or claimed one can sin with impunity.
Nor have I ever said sin doesn't have consequence.
I've said we access righteousness, justification, salvation through faith (Rom 5:1-2) & not thru works (Eph 2:9), obedience, repentance etc.
Sin can bring consequence that may manifest itself, in many different ways. A health issue, a broken relationship, disease, lost rewards earned etc.
A believer's sin will not result in the loss of salvation. Unlike you, I'll provide scripture (1 Cor 3 below) that support my position/belief. BTW, Unbelief is the only unforgivable sin, that can't be cleansed by the blood of Christ.
1 Cor 3:
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
(MY NOTE: Rewards are given based on work done in Christ's name. Even a drink of water given is His name will receive a reward (Matt 10:42, Mk 9:41 )
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
(MY NOTE: Gold & silver = Good works done in Christ's name. Hay, wood & stubble = no works, selfish works, even bad works)
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
(MY NOTE: Every work good & bad will be tested)
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
(MY NOTE: Good works done in Christ's name will receive a reward)
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(MY NOTE: Hay, wood & stubble deeds will burn-up, bringing shame & loss = "Of Rewards". Not the loss of one's salvation)
Rereading verse 15: he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Christ bought us/our sins for a price, His sinless life:
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and "hath given himself" for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had "by himself purged our sins", sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
1 Cor 6:20 For "ye are bought with a price": therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1 Cor 7:23 "Ye are bought with a price"; be not ye the servants of men.
Tit 2:14 "Who gave himself for us", that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
2 Cor 1:
9 But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us
All the praise, glory & honor, belongs to our great God & Savior, Jesus the Christ! AMEN & Amen
I can't find hyper grace in any bible. I can't find gotquestions in any version either.
Sorry, that doesn't work for me. I stand behind the verses I posted in the OP . And the scripture I cited in my reply to you. You're free to believe & promote your heart, as am I.
To be clear, neither in this post, nor at any other (I've placed 100's). Have I ever advocated ungodly living or claimed one can sin with impunity.
Nor have I ever said sin doesn't have consequence.
I've said we access righteousness, justification, salvation through faith (Rom 5:1-2) & not thru works (Eph 2:9), obedience, repentance etc.
Sin can bring consequence that may manifest itself, in many different ways. A health issue, a broken relationship, disease, lost rewards earned etc.
A believer's sin will not result in the loss of salvation. Unlike you, I'll provide scripture (1 Cor 3 below) that support my position/belief. BTW, Unbelief is the only unforgivable sin, that can't be cleansed by the blood of Christ.
1 Cor 3:
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
(MY NOTE: Rewards are given based on work done in Christ's name. Even a drink of water given is His name will receive a reward (Matt 10:42, Mk 9:41 )
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
(MY NOTE: Gold & silver = Good works done in Christ's name. Hay, wood & stubble = no works, selfish works, even bad works)
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
(MY NOTE: Every work good & bad will be tested)
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
(MY NOTE: Good works done in Christ's name will receive a reward)
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(MY NOTE: Hay, wood & stubble deeds will burn-up, bringing shame & loss = "Of Rewards". Not the loss of one's salvation)
Rereading verse 15: he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Christ bought us/our sins for a price, His sinless life:
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and "hath given himself" for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had "by himself purged our sins", sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
1 Cor 6:20 For "ye are bought with a price": therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1 Cor 7:23 "Ye are bought with a price"; be not ye the servants of men.
Tit 2:14 "Who gave himself for us", that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
2 Cor 1:
9 But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us
All the praise, glory & honor, belongs to our great God & Savior, Jesus the Christ! AMEN & Amen
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You are speaking about going on with the Lord which Peter says we are foolish if we do not do so, forgetting that we have been washed of our sins.
But you cannot go on with the Lord, you can't grow, you can't add virtue to faith until you are CERTAIN that you are elect, saved. Holiness is KNOWING, knowing that He has already done it.
We ARE sanctified [people love Hebrews don't they] for all time by a single sacrifice when we come to Him by faith. It must be so else if we sin deliberately after we have no further sacrifice THAT'S what Hebrews teaches throughout.
We've got to press on beyond the basics not keep going over the same old ground ... hold fast our first confession which is the cross, the single sacrifice which once for all time sanctified us ...
If you are struggling to attain sanctification [holiness] you are not believing, our struggle is not against sin, only Jesus ever did that and won. Our struggle is for FAITH to BELIEVE it.
But you cannot go on with the Lord, you can't grow, you can't add virtue to faith until you are CERTAIN that you are elect, saved. Holiness is KNOWING, knowing that He has already done it.
We ARE sanctified [people love Hebrews don't they] for all time by a single sacrifice when we come to Him by faith. It must be so else if we sin deliberately after we have no further sacrifice THAT'S what Hebrews teaches throughout.
We've got to press on beyond the basics not keep going over the same old ground ... hold fast our first confession which is the cross, the single sacrifice which once for all time sanctified us ...
If you are struggling to attain sanctification [holiness] you are not believing, our struggle is not against sin, only Jesus ever did that and won. Our struggle is for FAITH to BELIEVE it.
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Faith and works....not for me? Not for me, thank the Lord! After I am saved and have the right foundation, my obedience will be judged at the judgment seat of Christ for rewards or the lack thereof, not for salvation. See 1 Corinthians 3.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
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Brother, I believe I misread your post. Forgive me. We are on the same page. Many believers never get out from under their sin...poor discipleship...poor churches...no involvement with other believers...many factors may come into play especially in this day where there are sooooo many weak churches.
Above was you reply to this post:
Post #34 where: John146 said:
Faith and works....not for me? Not for me, thank the Lord!
Nehemiah6, you promote/demand repentance & confession for every post conversion sin. These actions require acts of self-works. Not to mention it's an impossible task. Jesus added thoughts to keeping Mosaic law (Matt 5:21-28)
In post #12 you said this:
5. However it is possible for Christians to sin, and they can and do sin after salvation. There is no sinless perfection for those who have been saved. But there is imputed righteousness.
Nehemiah6, Is Christ's righteousness imputed or earned from repenting (self-works) & confessing (self-works) from every post conversion sin? Righteousness is a gift from God. Gifts are given, not earned.
In post #12 (5 above) was written to me. Please reply with any post I've said anything about a believer's sinless perfection. Thx, in advance FD
Post #34 where: John146 said:
Faith and works....not for me? Not for me, thank the Lord!
Nehemiah6, you promote/demand repentance & confession for every post conversion sin. These actions require acts of self-works. Not to mention it's an impossible task. Jesus added thoughts to keeping Mosaic law (Matt 5:21-28)
In post #12 you said this:
5. However it is possible for Christians to sin, and they can and do sin after salvation. There is no sinless perfection for those who have been saved. But there is imputed righteousness.
Nehemiah6, Is Christ's righteousness imputed or earned from repenting (self-works) & confessing (self-works) from every post conversion sin? Righteousness is a gift from God. Gifts are given, not earned.
In post #12 (5 above) was written to me. Please reply with any post I've said anything about a believer's sinless perfection. Thx, in advance FD
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