Who is a Jew?

No, not true. God said He would gather the Jews back to Israel from all corners of the earth. Physical Israel. He made an unconditional covenant with Abraham, and He will fulfill it.

Yes indeed, but see here;
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Do I know you? Have ya ever gone by weekend iconoclast?

Yes indeed, but see here;
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

According to the Law of Moses, a Jew is one whose mother is a descendent of one of the twelve Tribes of Israel, and who is circumcised on the 8th day, and is a follower of the law. If anyone contends with this I will listen (*and likely argue, if you don't know me by now).

There are millions of people who claim to be Jews, and they claim this based on the traditions of their families, and, what I would call a tangential relationship with, the law of Moses. There are millions of "Jews" who are living in Israel based on a claim to Israel existing "for Jews."

But here is the sticking point I find in our day. By the definition of the Law of Moses, to be a Jew by blood, I need to be able to track a bloodline, on my mother's side, to Jacob. But at this date, it is unclear if anyone on earth who claims "Jew" can actually trace ancestry that far.

Now, as for problems from this discovery:

Religiously, this brings the question of who gets the blessings and responsibilities of carrying out the law? Since "the Jew" is known by Moses's Pentateuch, clearly he is seeking to sacrifice at the alter when he sins,but he needs a Levite to do this, meaning someone must be able to trace a bloodline to Levi.
Politically, this would, logically, also infer that at some point, God decided to change his criteria for who gets to claim "His" land in Israel.

Both of these bring more questions, and I find few answers.
More troubling, the Gospels and subsequent instructional letters, seem to infer that the Christian is now Israel, meaning that Jerusalem is actually the home of every Church on earth.
Does this mean we should seek to move to Israel and make it ours? To which tribe would we claim blood line?

What do you mean by weekend?

I have been on several boards as Iconoclast.

Apwall21,

I think that you are onto something.
This Documentary is for you and everyone else who wants to study the subject further.
Let me know what you think.
It's set at 480 res. It can go up to 720 if you want. Just double click and go to settings.
Best regards

None of that nullifies Romans 11, God still has a remnant that will be saved.

Discord? Weekend Iconoclast was the moniker of someone I used to talk too.

that is someone else

of course there is a remnant, but now they are part of the Christian Israel;
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God.

5 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.

6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.

10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

11 And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.

He was banned yesterday. I however watched the documentary many times and loved it. In fact, I used a lot of material from the documentary for this very discussion topic a page or two in the past. Thanks for sharing. Good to see a kindred spirit here.

Oh wow!
That's cool.
I should go back and read it.
I always questioned the exaltation of the Jewish religion by preachers who would be more fitting in a Synagogue. Jesus and His apostles rebuked the leadership and warned the people about them.
Today, People need warnings about John Hagee and the other TV idolators.
He said that that "Jesus did not come to earth to be Messiah. The Jews as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah."


Just the very beginning of this video.

He was banned yesterday. I however watched the documentary many times and loved it. In fact, I used a lot of material from the documentary for this very discussion topic a page or two in the past. Thanks for sharing. Good to see a kindred spirit here.

Amen. Glad there's someone else who loves the Word too!

BTW, why was apwall banned?

Amen. Glad there's someone else who loves the Word too!

BTW, why was apwall banned?

Not mentioning any names, but someone in this thread, and possibly her shadow, got him banned and tried to have me banned as well. I did not see all of his comments, I don't think, because what I have seen did not merit such a cancellation.

CC rules say bans are not to be discussed. Please go back and re-read them.

Not mentioning any names, but someone in this thread, and possibly her shadow, got him banned and tried to have me banned as well. I did not see all of his comments, I don't think, because what I have seen did not merit such a cancellation.

Flat out lie. @Oncefallen will tell you, no one "gets someone banned". That's an insult to the mods here. The same to you, bans are not to be discussed. Yes, I reported you because you were answering questions that I asked the poster as if you were him. I told you they were directed to him and not you. All you needed to say was "no I'm not the poster" but you refused. And you are still here. So my shadow didn't get you banned. So you can stop lying and trying to influence other posters against mods here.