Do you observe the Sabbath?
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#1 I never judged you or anyone. That is God's job alone. He has given us decrement to judge between right and wrong, good from evil, Etc.
The religious statutes, blood sacrifices, the ordinances is what He did away wih. What He did not come to change were the 10 commandments, they are as enforceable today as they were when God gave them to Moses.
He said this: "I say to you amen, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled" This is taken from your post.
This is what Jesus said in the sermon on the Mt.
In Matthew 5:17-18, as part of His Sermon on the Mount, Jesus says, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."
Jesus fulfilled all the blood and sacrifice laws that is why the vale was rent from top to bottom, that is why we can go directly to the Father. This will not change until Jesus returns puts his foot on the Mount of Olives slpits it and sets up His Millennial Kingdom here on earth.
The religious statutes, blood sacrifices, the ordinances is what He did away wih. What He did not come to change were the 10 commandments, they are as enforceable today as they were when God gave them to Moses.
He said this: "I say to you amen, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled" This is taken from your post.
This is what Jesus said in the sermon on the Mt.
In Matthew 5:17-18, as part of His Sermon on the Mount, Jesus says, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."
Jesus fulfilled all the blood and sacrifice laws that is why the vale was rent from top to bottom, that is why we can go directly to the Father. This will not change until Jesus returns puts his foot on the Mount of Olives slpits it and sets up His Millennial Kingdom here on earth.
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I always say if you agreed to come over and keep my fire burning while I'm out and you arrive to find the fireplace cold and dank and dark, how can you "keep" it burning when I hadn't even lit it?
In the same way, how can we choose to "keep" another day holy when God declared only one day holy, the 7th day, and days 1 - 6 as "work" days? We can't. Choosing another day is known as "presumption" like what happened to King Jeroboam in the Northern kingdom. He chose to worship his way instead of God's way and eventually the whole lot of them ended up carried away captive by the Assyrians, forever wiped off the face of the Earth. They completely disappeared from the genepool, as did Judah a few centuries later, guilty of the same thing.
In the same way, how can we choose to "keep" another day holy when God declared only one day holy, the 7th day, and days 1 - 6 as "work" days? We can't. Choosing another day is known as "presumption" like what happened to King Jeroboam in the Northern kingdom. He chose to worship his way instead of God's way and eventually the whole lot of them ended up carried away captive by the Assyrians, forever wiped off the face of the Earth. They completely disappeared from the genepool, as did Judah a few centuries later, guilty of the same thing.
When you hate doing the will of God, which is to have His law in your heart (Psalms 40:8 KJV) you eventually become a Posthuman, the philosopher of "dead faith" religion (James 2:17-18 KJV). That's why his picture is a skeleton.
Yes, I'm aware of the British Israel teaching. There's actually a opposing Black Hebrew Israelite movement, the Rastarfarian Israel movement, Aschenazi Israelites, etc. I prefer to allow "Israel" to be what Paul says it is: "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs, according to the promise" or the church.
(Brace yourselves, the "replacement theology" salvos are inbound by the hundreds)
(Brace yourselves, the "replacement theology" salvos are inbound by the hundreds)
He said He came to fulfill "the law"
The law is far more than offerings, and the Ten commandments is only a small part of the law.
I know you're not judging me.
But a very loud and ignorant man is slanderously doing so prolifically in this thread. That comment wasn't for you, bro, but for him, as a witness to o the testimony of God's word over these things.
The law is far more than offerings, and the Ten commandments is only a small part of the law.
I know you're not judging me.
But a very loud and ignorant man is slanderously doing so prolifically in this thread. That comment wasn't for you, bro, but for him, as a witness to o the testimony of God's word over these things.
I live 1 John 2: 3 - 4. I didn't attain to it by obeying the laws of Moses and neither will you.
How can I be so bold as to assert without any doubt whatever that you have a serious problem with sin? you get success sometimes even for a long stretch but then it overcomes you and you are left wretched and condemned.
I'm not guessing I KNOW it, because the road you are travelling does not lead to victory, it is as certain a thing as east is not west. Anyone who travels the road you are on will fall.
The ONLY victory over sin is the cross. The more you understand that your sins were put on Jesus and He died bearing your sins, He was buried with your sins you understand that sin ONCE AND FOR ALL TIME your sins are gone, miraculously taken away ... you'll stop doing them. You will be raised up with Christ to walk in newness of life.
You trying to get victory, the only victory is the blood of the Lamb.
Forsake Ellen White come God's way.
How can I be so bold as to assert without any doubt whatever that you have a serious problem with sin? you get success sometimes even for a long stretch but then it overcomes you and you are left wretched and condemned.
I'm not guessing I KNOW it, because the road you are travelling does not lead to victory, it is as certain a thing as east is not west. Anyone who travels the road you are on will fall.
The ONLY victory over sin is the cross. The more you understand that your sins were put on Jesus and He died bearing your sins, He was buried with your sins you understand that sin ONCE AND FOR ALL TIME your sins are gone, miraculously taken away ... you'll stop doing them. You will be raised up with Christ to walk in newness of life.
You trying to get victory, the only victory is the blood of the Lamb.
Forsake Ellen White come God's way.
The weekly Sabbath commandment to simply "rest" enjoins zero rituals and merely regulates behavior, as do the other nine commandments. Surely, you're not so foolish to argue "doing nothing" is equal to "doing something".
However, which of the Feast Day "sabbaths" contained "ritual"? All of them. Read it for yourself in Leviticus 23.
By this, I've disproven your claims the weekly Sabbath is a ritual, a ceremony, and being the memorial to Creation which points to the past that it is, it's in no way a "shadow" pointing to the future as the Feast Day "shadows" which were nailed to the Cross.
What's your belief regarding Creation Week? As liberal as you are, I suspect you're a full on Evolutionist or at least a Theistic Evolutionist.
However, which of the Feast Day "sabbaths" contained "ritual"? All of them. Read it for yourself in Leviticus 23.
By this, I've disproven your claims the weekly Sabbath is a ritual, a ceremony, and being the memorial to Creation which points to the past that it is, it's in no way a "shadow" pointing to the future as the Feast Day "shadows" which were nailed to the Cross.
What's your belief regarding Creation Week? As liberal as you are, I suspect you're a full on Evolutionist or at least a Theistic Evolutionist.
Isaiah 60:19-20
The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
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What are you doing in here, PM-777? Wasn't there anyone in the Not By Works thread to argue with?
BTW, that' NOT what Jesus did.
Why? Because Jesus didn't have the attitude you have.
Jesus also taught if they don't receive you to dust off your feet as a witness against them.
Plus, The Jesus I read of didn't display any arrogance at all.
BTW, that' NOT what Jesus did.
Why? Because Jesus didn't have the attitude you have.
Jesus also taught if they don't receive you to dust off your feet as a witness against them.
Plus, The Jesus I read of didn't display any arrogance at all.
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doing something differently on one day than you normally would on any other day, for specifically religious reasons specifically because it is a certain day, is the very definition of ceremonial ritual.
the sabbath observation of the Mosaic law is not an ethical principle; it's a ceremonial activity/inactivity.
that's simply the facts.
on sabbath special sacrifices were made. i can point you to the passages in the law if you are incapable of finding them.
that is ritual action.
you yourself harp about 'congregating on sabbath' -- that's a ritual activity. you act differently on a certain day than you would any other day.
morality does not change day to day: ceremony & rite does. if you are acting differently on a certain day because you are recognizing that day, you are acting ceremonially.
God does not observe sabbath. He rested once, and is always working ever since -- John 5:17
who am i to judge God's servant who imitates God? to his own Master he stands or falls.
not that there is anything wrong with ceremony or ritual - the Lord's supper, baptism and the laying on of hands are all also ceremonial and fit under the same general category of religious physical activities.
the sabbath observation of the Mosaic law is not an ethical principle; it's a ceremonial activity/inactivity.
that's simply the facts.
on sabbath special sacrifices were made. i can point you to the passages in the law if you are incapable of finding them.
that is ritual action.
you yourself harp about 'congregating on sabbath' -- that's a ritual activity. you act differently on a certain day than you would any other day.
morality does not change day to day: ceremony & rite does. if you are acting differently on a certain day because you are recognizing that day, you are acting ceremonially.
God does not observe sabbath. He rested once, and is always working ever since -- John 5:17
who am i to judge God's servant who imitates God? to his own Master he stands or falls.
not that there is anything wrong with ceremony or ritual - the Lord's supper, baptism and the laying on of hands are all also ceremonial and fit under the same general category of religious physical activities.
tbh i've been going to church on Tuesdays.
not that it matters.
but this is just you making more baseless & slanderous personal attacks instead of addressing what i said.
it's just you being you, IOW.
it would be different if you had ever addressed it, or addressed it a dozen times, as i have - and you're just tired of having to go over the same material over and over with someone who doesn't listen at all.
but that's not actually the case: you've never addressed this.
the moon was created and set as a sign for times long before God finished His work and declared His rest once and for all time.
the new moon festival is not commanded in the law of Moses, at all.
the new moon festival ((month)) is in Isaiah 66:23 in exactly the same way that the seventh ((i.e. 'week')) is.
if you contend that Isaiah 66:23 is evidence that Christians must keep the ceremony of sabbath forever, else God will fail to save them & His promises by faith be found to be lies, then it is equally evidence that you must in your flesh keep the new moon festival. otherwise you are eisegeting, not exegeting.
moreover since the moon was made before God rested, and the new moon festival stands apart from the law - never being commanded in the law or declared a sign for Israel of the old covenant, only being presumed by the psalms and prophets - then the new moon festival has precedence ((having come before)) and has premacy ((the old covenant being supplanted)).
since you take Isaiah 66:23 this way,
why don't you keep the new moon festival?
where are your new moon festival threads?
all i've gotten from you on this question is 'well new moon is ceremonial'
but that's franky a demonstrably stupid argument: religiously changing your behaviour for a certain day is the very definition of ceremonial, and that's exactly what you do with sabbath. that's exactly what sabbath is: ceremonial physical rest of the flesh to represent the true spiritual rest found in God through Christ.
yet contrary to clear doctrine of scripture, you judge everyone over sabbath, and cite Isaiah 66:23.
aren't you being a bit duplicitous?
you should be judging every Saint over the new moon festival too. if you are going to be Satan's advocate in accusing the children of God in a few things, why don't you devote yourself to your private doctrines completely?
you're frankly a bit lukewarm on the topic.
as someone said, "wert that thou wast hot or cold"
not that it matters.
but this is just you making more baseless & slanderous personal attacks instead of addressing what i said.
it's just you being you, IOW.
it would be different if you had ever addressed it, or addressed it a dozen times, as i have - and you're just tired of having to go over the same material over and over with someone who doesn't listen at all.
but that's not actually the case: you've never addressed this.
the moon was created and set as a sign for times long before God finished His work and declared His rest once and for all time.
the new moon festival is not commanded in the law of Moses, at all.
the new moon festival ((month)) is in Isaiah 66:23 in exactly the same way that the seventh ((i.e. 'week')) is.
if you contend that Isaiah 66:23 is evidence that Christians must keep the ceremony of sabbath forever, else God will fail to save them & His promises by faith be found to be lies, then it is equally evidence that you must in your flesh keep the new moon festival. otherwise you are eisegeting, not exegeting.
moreover since the moon was made before God rested, and the new moon festival stands apart from the law - never being commanded in the law or declared a sign for Israel of the old covenant, only being presumed by the psalms and prophets - then the new moon festival has precedence ((having come before)) and has premacy ((the old covenant being supplanted)).
since you take Isaiah 66:23 this way,
why don't you keep the new moon festival?
where are your new moon festival threads?
all i've gotten from you on this question is 'well new moon is ceremonial'
but that's franky a demonstrably stupid argument: religiously changing your behaviour for a certain day is the very definition of ceremonial, and that's exactly what you do with sabbath. that's exactly what sabbath is: ceremonial physical rest of the flesh to represent the true spiritual rest found in God through Christ.
yet contrary to clear doctrine of scripture, you judge everyone over sabbath, and cite Isaiah 66:23.
aren't you being a bit duplicitous?
you should be judging every Saint over the new moon festival too. if you are going to be Satan's advocate in accusing the children of God in a few things, why don't you devote yourself to your private doctrines completely?
you're frankly a bit lukewarm on the topic.
as someone said, "wert that thou wast hot or cold"
So you aren't going to get stoned to death for mowing your lawn at 7am on the sabbath.
That doesn't change the sabbath. It doesn't remove it or change its name or change God's mind about it. Jesus is Lord of the sabbath, not 'Lord of 7 normal work days with personal rest day'. But because of His grace you aren't saved by any effort. Being saved does not change the sabbath. Esteeming it or not doesn't either. As long as that's clear, it's OK. People are given various rewards based on how much effort they put in to serve and please God.
That doesn't change the sabbath. It doesn't remove it or change its name or change God's mind about it. Jesus is Lord of the sabbath, not 'Lord of 7 normal work days with personal rest day'. But because of His grace you aren't saved by any effort. Being saved does not change the sabbath. Esteeming it or not doesn't either. As long as that's clear, it's OK. People are given various rewards based on how much effort they put in to serve and please God.