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The Whiny Brat defense

That definition of free will is absurd.

Gas prices are $5 a gallon. Does that affect my decision to drive somewhere for vacation? Yes. Does this mean I don't have "free will" but rather "free choice". That is gobbledegook.

If you don't have free will then you are not accountable for the choices you make. That means there is no sin. There are no trespasses. Blame God for everything. This is the whiny brat defense.

Nah

That's just Calvinism. :giggle:
 
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Nah

That's just Calvinism. :giggle:
That site, Compelling Truth, is an outreach of Got Questions. The Got Questions site is self identifying as Calvinistic. So duh

I use that site myself from time to time when they aren't beating the drums of Calvin.
 

Lanolin

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A life for a life, that is fair. 60 million aborted babies crying for justice, the Lord will require the price from the hands of America.
dont they have a labour shortage in the US which is why so many undocumented migrants go to work there
isnt it already paying the price that way.

everybody wants to live dont they. so 60 million non americans can have jobs in the US the 60 millions who could have been born IN the US have left.
 

ZNP

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dont they have a labour shortage in the US which is why so many undocumented migrants go to work there
isnt it already paying the price that way.

everybody wants to live dont they. so 60 million non americans can have jobs in the US the 60 millions who could have been born IN the US have left.
It is up to God and the sixty million voices crying to Him to decide that. I am not the lord, I am not the judge, merely a witness that there will be a righteous accounting for killing 60 million babies.
 

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well nobody said you are the Lord ZNP

I am sure the abortionists probably keep a record of all the babies they kill cos its their job right. They get paid to do it like hitmen. But that also means 120 million ppl are guilty (it takes two right?) and will need to confess what theyve done
 

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So we're no longer able to terminate a life before it's born.
But after birth, poverty, disease, and guns are still viable abortion methods.
The hypocrisy of the right astounds me.
(Which is still not a Christian value)

I completely agree with you.
Since some people may experience hardship... we should just murder them, before it can happen.

Excellent logic.
Very well done.

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JTB

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I completely agree with you.
Since some people may experience hardship... we should just murder them, before it can happen.

Excellent logic.
Very well done.

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Or, how about we make life livable after birth? You know, with all those useless things like a living wage, health care, food, safe streets, etc?

The point was it's amazing how sacred life is up until it is born. Then it's good luck yer on yer own!
 

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Or, how about we make life livable after birth? You know, with all those useless things like a living wage, health care, food, safe streets, etc?

The point was it's amazing how sacred life is up until it is born. Then it's good luck yer on yer own!
Yeah, in November it will be time to vote Republican - straight ticket.

Most Democrats do not consider the unborn to be a human life. Some believe that it's OK for a doctor to stick a sharp object in the baby's brain to kill it just before it would be born. Apparently, life is not sacred until it is born. Better to discard whatever it is growing inside the mother.

No safe streets either because they care more about the criminals than the victim. They are defunding the police at the same time attacking the Second Amendment that gives the right to bear arms. They don't care because they got bodyguards to protect them.
 

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Or, how about we make life livable after birth? You know, with all those useless things like a living wage, health care, food, safe streets, etc?

The point was it's amazing how sacred life is up until it is born. Then it's good luck yer on yer own!
Not true.
 

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I completely agree with you.
Since some people may experience hardship... we should just murder them, before it can happen.

Excellent logic.
Very well done.

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Yes logic par excellence, I need abortion, even though I do not support abortion, so as to not add to the ills of society.
 

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well nobody said you are the Lord ZNP

I am sure the abortionists probably keep a record of all the babies they kill cos its their job right. They get paid to do it like hitmen. But that also means 120 million ppl are guilty (it takes two right?) and will need to confess what theyve done
No.. you can't prosecute someone for doing something before it was a crime.
 

JTB

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Or, how about we make life livable after birth? You know, with all those useless things like a living wage, health care, food, safe streets, etc?

The point was it's amazing how sacred life is up until it is born. Then it's good luck yer on yer own!
Yeah, in November it will be time to vote Republican - straight ticket.

Most Democrats do not consider the unborn to be a human life. Some believe that it's OK for a doctor to stick a sharp object in the baby's brain to kill it just before it would be born. Apparently, life is not sacred until it is born. Better to discard whatever it is growing inside the mother.

No safe streets either because they care more about the criminals than the victim. They are defunding the police at the same time attacking the Second Amendment that gives the right to bear arms. They don't care because they got bodyguards to protect them.
Republicans are the reason life is not livable after birth.

Republicans protect life in the womb, then abandon it after birth.

Democrats abandon life in the womb, but protect it once it's born.

Democrats deceive the world.

Republicans deceive believers.

I personally will not vote for either side.

And I question any Christian who believes the enemy of their enemy is their friend.
 

ZNP

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Republicans are the reason life is not livable after birth.

Republicans protect life in the womb, then abandon it after birth.

Democrats abandon life in the womb, but protect it once it's born.

Democrats deceive the world.

Republicans deceive believers.

I personally will not vote for either side.

And I question any Christian who believes the enemy of their enemy is their friend.
2,000 years ago was the last time people had a chance to vote for someone who would actually bring salvation and peace.
 

JTB

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Unless you are born into wealth, or are born a Sheldon Cooper, you will live your life working 60+ hours at two jobs, be unable to afford health care, much less housing that isn't the size of a shipping container. Or a retirement. You won't be takin vacations.
 

JTB

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2,000 years ago was the last time people had a chance to vote for someone who would actually bring salvation and peace.
I actually voted for Ross Perot, haven't voted for an elephant or ass since I'm proud to say.

But see, this kind of statement is exactly what concerns me.

The Jews thought their Messiah would be a political figure who'd save them from godless Romans. And because the were so deceived they did not recognize Him when He came.

Now, Christians are expecting their savior to be a political figure who'll save them from Godless liberals. And because the are so deceived they are turning from God's Truths.

Truth is, God promised us freedom. But not here.

Truth is, God promised us riches. But not here.

Truth is, God promised us a nation. But. not. here.

People vote for Jesus every day, every time they drop to their knees and ask His forgiveness. But you'll never see His Name on a ballot. Because His kingdom is not here.

Yet
 

ZNP

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I actually voted for Ross Perot, haven't voted for an elephant or ass since I'm proud to say.

But see, this kind of statement is exactly what concerns me.

The Jews thought their Messiah would be a political figure who'd save them from godless Romans. And because the were so deceived they did not recognize Him when He came.

Now, Christians are expecting their savior to be a political figure who'll save them from Godless liberals. And because the are so deceived they are turning from God's Truths.

Truth is, God promised us freedom. But not here.

Truth is, God promised us riches. But not here.

Truth is, God promised us a nation. But. not. here.

People vote for Jesus every day, every time they drop to their knees and ask His forgiveness. But you'll never see His Name on a ballot. Because His kingdom is not here.

Yet
No that is not the truth. The truth is we could have at any time chosen Jesus, the problem is that Adam and Eve chose Satan, and ever since then we have had this battle going on.

What concerns me is this kind of post makes people focus so much on the heavenly kingdom they are of no earthly good.

Ultimately our prayer is that the Kingdom would come on earth as it is in heaven.

Everything leads to Revelation 6 where Jesus is given the title deed to the Earth and opens the seals.
 

JTB

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No that is not the truth. The truth is we could have at any time chosen Jesus, the problem is that Adam and Eve chose Satan, and ever since then we have had this battle going on.

What concerns me is this kind of post makes people focus so much on the heavenly kingdom they are of no earthly good.

Ultimately our prayer is that the Kingdom would come on earth as it is in heaven.

Everything leads to Revelation 6 where Jesus is given the title deed to the Earth and opens the seals.
I understand the too heavenly minded thing, but I also understand the too earthly minded thing as well. And the pendulum has swung quite wide on that side.

Yes the Kingdom will come on this earth! Can't wait. But according to my read of Daniel and Revelation, there's a lot of the world to come before then. Including the deception of believers turning them away from the Truth. And part of that deception is thinking we're going to create a little New Jerusalem here in the States.
 

ZNP

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I understand the too heavenly minded thing, but I also understand the too earthly minded thing as well. And the pendulum has swung quite wide on that side.

Yes the Kingdom will come on this earth! Can't wait. But according to my read of Daniel and Revelation, there's a lot of the world to come before then. Including the deception of believers turning them away from the Truth. And part of that deception is thinking we're going to create a little New Jerusalem here in the States.
yes, although there is some dispute it seems to me that Ezekiel 38 war will take place prior to the start of the 70th week in Daniel. So as long as we don't see Russia and an alliance of all the Stan's (Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, etc) coming down to attack Israel we can rest easy. I feel pretty sure the description is of a nuclear war (any time they find a bone from a body they place a flag by it? That sounds like nuclear contamination. They burn the weapons for 7 years? That is obviously not diesel fuel).

Now I can't see Russia attacking Israel without first attacking the US. Sure there have been some prophecies that this will happen after the collapse of the US dollar and that collapse begins when they start selling oil in the Mideast in something other than US dollars. So as long as we don't see a collapse in our stock market with run away inflation as a result of someone like China buying oil in something other than US dollars we are good.