Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation

So, a grace saved Christian who backslides and turns into an impenitent axe murderer, child rapist madman will still go to heaven, but with a lighter crown? Got it. I'm not about to continue a Bible discussion with anyone who hold such extremely unBiblical beliefs, but I'll finish this reponse.
Yes, I see you leveling up to Universalism at any moment - good for you.
Yes, that's very Biblical, right? SMH
OK, I see my post went straight over your head and you missed the part about how the latter of them has to be worse than the "lost sinful condition" they were in at the beginning. No problem, hopefully others will see it.
It just stands to reason that if your idea that sin results in fewer jewels in our heavnly crown, then the impenitent, child rapist axe murderer will saunter into heaven with an empty crown devoid of any jewels (and maybe try to steal some from his victims?)
Keep it up! You're almost there! You'll soon be singing the praises of Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Stalin, Musolini, Idi Amin, Che Guerraro, Hitler, and the rest of those for whose sins Jesus died, right?
He wrote the "doers of the law shall be justified in His sight" did he not?
Why don't you simply believe Jesus when He says "IF you continue in My word, THEN are ye My disciples indeed"? Ah, I see...because since that doesn't line up with OSAS, we'll just ignore it, right?
But FREEGRACE2 !!! It says Jesus "for the sins of the WHOLE world! which means EVERYONE will be saved and NO ONE will go to hell! Sin all you want, brother!

I don't think that's what John says. I'll look it up:

"For this is the "agape" of God, THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS and His commandments are not grievous".

See? That word "keep" is in the PRESENT PERFECT TENSE which indicates it's not referring to something past, but something actively ongoing in the present - the question is, how can it be on going in the lives of those who think we can ignore God's commandments?

The thief didn't get baptized either...which is why Jesus was - on behalf of all those who couldn't be.

But, I ask you, do you think if that thief were to suddenly have been pardoned, he would have come down off that cross and brought forth many good works? Sure he would! It's the evidence of a Christ filled heart, and conversely, disobedience is evidence of a heart full of the devil - isn't that what 1 John 2:3-4 KJV says? If not, please explain to us.

There ain't a single Sunday morning service in all of Scripture. It does say they met over and over on Sabbath, right or wrong?

Well....Paul must be in deep trouble here....
Rom 7:25 - I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Notwithstanding the abovementioned...

Rom 10:4 - For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Rom 10:4 - For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Gal 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 2:21 - I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Gal 3:13 - Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Phl 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:[/QUOTE] Not sure what you're point is here, can you please elaborate?

On the contrary there is never any Saturday gathering of Christians for fellowship & worship mentioned in the Bible.

At any rate we are to rest in the Lord every day and likewise worship in the Lord every day.

The name of Jesus was unknown to the Jews before the first century. The sacrifice for sins was unknown to the Jews. Only God's promise of the messiah was known to the Jews in the first century.

The law exists in full force until all the law is fulfilled.

Tell me truthfully Phoneman.

You can't tell the difference between the two commandments below.

Leviticus 19:18
You shall not take vengeance, nor hold any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the Lord.

John 13:34
I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

The first commandment is to love others as you love yourself, a weak, conditional commandment.

The second commandment is to love others as Christ has loved you, unconditional, divine love.

You are unable to see that these two commandments are a world apart. One is love from the flesh and the other is divine love, unconditional love.

The first commandment is the shadow commandment concerning loving others. The first commandment will grant you the knowledge of sin only. You cannot love your neighbor in your own strength, as an act of will, be honest with yourself.

The second commandment is the fulfillment of the first commandment. The second commandment is empowered by the Holy Spirit and love is a direct gift of the Holy Spirit. God wills His love through you by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Am I to understand that you are unable to see the fulfillment of the law?

Jesus did not fully fulfill the law?

Not sure what you're point is here, can you please elaborate?[/QUOTE]Read Romans chapter seven again.

Romans 7:24-25
Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

The law did it's job. Paul had been granted the knowledge of sin. Paul was dead in his sin.

That is all the law can do, grant you the knowledge that you remain dead in your sin.

The law has no other use, that is all the law does.

You can think of any commandment in the law and it's wonderful. But your flesh will powerfully oppose any commandment, any spiritual directive. You will constantly resist all the commandments. Your a sinner, now confess.

They are only circumcised if they wish to be under the law.

If they attempt to follow the law, then they are commanded to be circumcised.

Yes, that’s been my point all along.

You are perverting the verse. Do you love Jesus WHEN you reject what He says so clearly?
Do you love Jesus when you sin?

Your unbiblical opinions are refuted directly by Jesus Himself.

FreeGrace2 said:
And this shows that YOU don't even believe John 5:24, where Jesus said believers possess eternal life.
Since you reject what John 5:24 says, are you loving Jesus?

You can't even explain what Jesus said that supports your opinion.

FreeGrace2 said:
So, that's what you call "erroneous platitudes" huh. Magenta was quoting verses (Eph 2:8,9). Did you not realize that?
The Sabbath is the 7th day. That is Saturday.

How does one break Saturday? Are you SDA?

John 5:24 and 10:28 ARE about salvation, which is guaranteed secure, as Jesus clearly communicated.

Are you loving Jesus when you blatantly reject what He said?

So you reject both Jesus and your pastor. How can you love either one when you reject what they say?

Right. Way before he raped Bathsheba and murdered her husband.

FreeGrace2 said:
I know that you Arminians are just so offended by the horrible sins of others. Do you have any grip on how many sins Jesus Christ died on the cross for? Your comments suggest that you do not.
No, you don't "got it". You didn't even answer my question about how many sins Jesus died for? Why do you avoid that question?

You guys keep bringing up the sins that offend you so much, as if those sins will keep people out of heaven.

You're the one with extremely unbiblical views, as if there are certain sins that Jesus didn't die for.

That couldn't be more idiotic. I fully believe Rev 20;11-15 and I believe that more people will end up in the lake of fire than saved.

Acts 13:42-44 KJV says the Gentiles did. They met on Sabbath with Jew converts and almost the entire city to hear Paul preach the Gospel and Paul told them to "continue in grace" which means they were partakers of grace - so anyone who accuses Sabbath keeping Christians today of having "fallen from grace" is a false accuser. We are "continuing in grace" as did those Gentiles of old.
The commandment says the first six days we are to WORK and rest on the Sabbath, so if a person is resting every day from work, he's not holy, he's LAZY.

Besides, man can't make anything holy - God makes it holy and then tells us to KEEP it holy. If I asked you to keep my fireplace burning while I'm gone, and you come over and find it cold and dark, how can you "keep" it burning when no fire has been started? Likewise, you and I can't keep Sunday or anything else holy without God first making it holy.

I had to stop you right here: Jesus said Abraham "saw My day and was glad in it" on Mount Moriah when he understood what God would do for fallen humanity in that He would "provide for Himself a lamb" - though the Jews tried to conceal it and point the people to themselves the same way the Papacy concealed it and pointed Christians to their miserable, hopeless, faith-killing Antichrist system, the truth can never be fully obscured.

Good gravy, man, Isaiah was called "the Gospel prophet" because he wrote so much about Jesus, and Daniel pinpointed the very TIMING of Messiah's arrival, yet this is your position?

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