Do you believe in (OSAS) Once Saved, Always Saved?

I could say the same of you, with much more justice.

You simply had no response to the clear verse that those who apostatize "draw back unto perdition". You just said Jesus "must have been very confused", which sounds like something an unbeliever would say.

But you can keep your ad hominem and mind-reading and rash judgments to yourself.

What you really should do is go through the entire NT. Give 10 points to OSAS for every verse that supports it and 10 points to Conditional Security for every verse that supports it.

You might at most find 4-5 verses supporting OSAS.

You'll probably find 40-50 supporting CS. I know which I believe. If you want to reject the plain Truth spoken of in so many verses, you do that. We'll both know who was right on the Day of Judgment. A better exegesis is to reconcile the few to the many rather than the other way around.

If once saved always saved is true and God chooses who will be saved in the beginning without their choice then God's kingdom is not true love and He is not evil to condemn people that have no choice in their salvation seeing no other alternative.

This goes against the nature of God.

If once saved always saved is true and God chooses who will be saved in the beginning without their choice then God's kingdom is not true love and He is not evil to condemn people that have no choice in their salvation seeing no other alternative.

This goes against the nature of God.

And what criteria would God choose some to be saved and some not to be saved when he said all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and if you break the least of the law you broke them all, and He is no respecter of persons, and what makes you to differ from another, and there is none that does good, no, not one, so everybody is in the same position.

The Bible says that the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, and the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world, and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world, although they were future events.

For God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.

The Bible says the saints were predestined to salvation does not mean that God chooses who will be saved at the beginning without their choice but that God had the plan to give people salvation before He created anything so it is the same as if the saints have salvation in the beginning although they chose this salvation in the future because God call things that have not happened yet as though they already happened.

Many are called but few are chosen.

Not many mighty, not many noble, not many wise after the flesh are called.

God chose us we did not choose Him.

Nobody comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.

God chooses a person based on their heart condition and will work in their life to draw them to the truth and when they get to the door of truth they have to decide to enter the door of truth for God's kingdom is true love, but they would of not got to the door of truth if God did not work in their life.

God gets the glory for us being saved for we could not accept the truth unless God intervened in our life, but we have to choose to accept this truth for God's kingdom is true love.

You can program a computer to say I love you but does the computer really love you, and you can program a computer to say I hate you and will you get mad and smash the computer.

If once saved always saved is true and God chooses who will be saved and not saved without their choice then they are like robots that have no choice then how is God's kingdom true love and He is not evil to condemn people that have no choice seeing no other alternative.

This goes against the nature of God.

He gave the angels a choice which is how some of them could rebel so why would He not give people a choice.

And since it is a choice then we have to make the decision to do what is right and be Christlike.

Which there is no excuse for the Bible says that a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh for they have crucified the flesh with the lusts and affections, and show the ways of the Spirit, and God will not allow them to be tempted above measure and will give them an escape from the temptation so they can bear it.

Which some have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof, and are lover of pleasures more than lovers of God, and ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Which they do not allow the Spirit to lead them and make excuses for their sins and believe they are right with God despite their sins and never come to the truth that they have to be like Christ to be right with God.

Which many people that believe once saved always saved believe that sin does not affect their relationship with God and live in sin thinking they have salvation all the while the power is there to help them to overcome sin so there is no excuse so they will be held accountable.

Many are saved but few are chosen and not everyone that says Lord, Lord, will dwell in heaven for they were workers of iniquity.

Which we might sin after we are saved and most likely we will sin but we repent of it and move forward being led of the Spirit and not living in sin.

Which the Bible says if we willfully sin after having received the knowledge of sin then there is no more sacrifice for sin which means if we live in sin holding on to sin the blood of Jesus cannot wash away that sin for God will not take away a sin if we are holding on to that sin which then that sin is on our record.

The Bible says if you think you stand take heed that you do not fall because people can get relaxed in their walk with Christ and fall short which many people do fall short thinking they cannot lose salvation even though they are not abstaining from sin.

The Bible says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling but if a person cannot fall why would there be fear and trembling which the Bible says is a person does not continue in the goodness of God they will be cut off.

Some do not continue in the goodness of God but do worldly things and think they are right with God.

As a senior, I know that I'm in the latter stages of my life. But that's okay, because even though I know that I'm losing that which I cannot keep, I possess that which I cannot lose. There are those who do not have that assurance. That's okay.
To them I say, "Keep seeking, keep working out your salvation, and I'm confident that one day you too will receive the assurance that I've only had for a few years." I don't understand everything, but one thing that I am confident of is that I am on the road to my home in the New Jerusalem! And when I get there (again), there will be no more death, no more mourning, no more crying...or pain. Hallelujah!

God pre selecting who is saved and who is not.. regardless of the persons will to believe or not is not OSAS.. that's calvinism which is not the same thing.

Calvinism is hardly teaching OSAS .. because of someone isn't doing good works most calvinists will go to the 'never saved in the first place ' line.

If you really believe OSAS.. good works aren't a guarantee for a saved person. They don't automatically result from salvation. It's up to the believer to rely on the Holy Spirit after salvation.

Predestination is the entrance to heaven being pre set for a believer... and also the present will of God for a believer to follow to be conformed.

Receiving salvation though.. is by free will. Doesnt mean tho that someone can then turn around and 'leave God '

He still indwells them when they are being sinful. That's real relationship. Of course he will prompt the person back.. rebuke..encourage... discipline. But He wont leave.

If once saved always saved is true and God chooses who will be saved and not saved without their choice then they are like robots that have no choice then how is God's kingdom true love and He is not evil to condemn people that have no choice seeing no other alternative.

So you believe that all people on Earth have the free will to choose or reject Jesus except for those who are already saved? They have lost free will and no longer have free choice?

The Holy Spirit indewlls a believer at salvation. Therefore the Holy Spirit is inside that person's soul.

So.. God promises to never leave nor forsake a believer.

That is what a parent does when they are doing their job. God's connection by His indwelling is deeper and stronger than a family connection.

So you may say then they can just do whatever they want. Well that's not thinking spiritually.

The depth of grace God gives by staying with someone.. leads the believer to give back to God out of love back.

Saying you can 'leave God' after salvation is like swallowing something that is physically inside you and then 'walking away' from it. That isn't possible.

It's up to God whether He stays or not .. not us.

You have just prevaricated!

You have NOT shown a single verse where the disciples preached Christ’s death, as sin debt payment, and His resurrection, which is what the Gospel unto Salvation is, BEFORE His death and resurrected.

Why did you just lie?

tut tut

You will read many occasions in the OT where God repented so your definition is faulty ... Imma saying to you that if you are witnessing or preaching and people are listening to you and are showing interest and faith they ARE repenting, if you hold your finger up at that point and say "ah you must first repent" they will not know what on earth you mean or what they are to do.

You want them to fall on their faces and burst out crying and go through an agony of remorse ... well all that is to satisfy you. God does not require it.

No one is saved except by obeying the Gospel; the command to repent.

Once we are saved, then we can certainly repent of a sin; turn away from sin.

Turn away from a detrimental activity.


My definition comes from Jesus Christ and Paul.

Words of Christ in red —


I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’
“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:17-20





JPT

No one is saved except by obeying the Gospel; the command to repent.

Once we are saved, then we can certainly repent of a sin; turn away from sin...

You are trying to inject your own “gospel” into the scriptures.


He is Peter preaching the Gospel on the day of Pentecost —


Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38


Where did Peter preach Christ’s death and resurrection in this message?



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But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’
“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:16-20



Where in this commission from Jesus Christ to Paul did He mention death and resurrection?


Repent is the command of the Gospel of the kingdom of God.


Repent means turn to God, in which we turn away from Satan as our Lord.


The way we repent is to confess Jesus Christ as Lord.


The reason God forgives us of our past sins is we repent; turn to Him in submission to Jesus Christ as Lord; we “bend the knee“ or “bow our knee” to Him and acknowledge or confess with our mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord.

This is an eternal commitment to obey Jesus Christ as our Lord.


The way God cleanses us from our sins is by the blood of Jesus Christ His son shed on the cross as the final sacrifice for sins; if we believe God raised Him from the dead.



Both of these components together are what initiates salvation.



that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10

• with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Believing Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead, without repenting is useless.


Demons certainly believe Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead, but they continue to serve Satan as their lord.








JLB

I don't believe in in OSAS. Sometimes feel some use this as a reason to live like the world. Btw I said some.

No need to wait. I'll jump right in. The answer is "no". The great commission
was given to the 11, and later, to Paul, after His death and resurrection.

Do you believe what Jesus said?

In John 3:15,16, 5:24, 6:40, 47 He said those who believe HAVE (as in possess) eternal life.
In John 10:28 He said He gives eternal life to His sheep (belevers) and they shall never perish.