As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself

I'm sorry but no. Absolutely ZERO Scriptural support for this.

And BTW, there is only ONE Human race. All ethnicities are derived from Adam, Noah, and subsequently Shem, Ham, and Japeth.

A friend of mine has a black father and white mother. She looks like a mixed "race" person. Her daughters father is white, and her daughter appears whiter than just about any white person you know. That's how quickly human appearance can change.

Strongs # 3613 oiketerion

This Greek term found in only two locations:
2Cor 5:2......the redeemed get an upgrade to a new spiritual body
Jude 1:6......the fallen Angels choose a downgrade to a new fleshly body

Game set match. This one and only dual text-use phenomenon is one of the strongest supports for the fallen Angel theory in all of the Bible.

Evolution? Charles Darwin? Darwin's theory of evolution has at this point been resoundingly refuted. Because of this failed theory they conjured up neo-evolution.....more clueless guesswork.

I fully expect that they will conjure up an alien human genesis scam in the very near future. This after some kind of a UFO disclosure scam. They will label them as the gods of old....

Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, and rainbow Unicorns aren't real and the Paracas skulls are from native American human beings who had their heads mutilated and deformed by their mamas. Poor kids.

No where in that post did I speak of evolution, infact I spoke against it. It jusr cam not happen a caucasoid man and white can only have a caucasoid child. If you inter marry then you will get a child with both races. Did God change the way He does things? From the time of "Adam and Eve" till some time after the flood A man and a woman had a child and God chose the sex and the race.
What do you thank God shower up in when He came to earth in Ezekiel 1. A flying round thing.

What does any of this have to do with the races?

1. • • Strong's #3613: oiketerion (pronounced oy-kay-tay'-ree-on) neuter of a presumed derivative of 3611 (equivalent to 3612); a residence (literally or figuratively):--habitation, house. Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
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2. biblehub.com › greek › 3613Strong's Greek: 3613. οἰκητήριον (oikétérion) -- a habitation
   
   Thayer's Greek Lexicon STRONGS NT 3613: οἰκητήριον οἰκητήριον , ὀικητηριου , τό ( οἰκητήρ ), a dwelling-place, habitation : Jude 1:6 ; of the body as the dwelling-place of the spirit, 2 Corinthians 5:2 (2 Macc. 11:2; 3Macc. 2:15; ( Josephus , contra Apion 1, 20, 7); Euripides , Plutarch , Cebes ( ) tab. 17).
3. biblehub.com › greek › strongs_3613Strong's Greek: 3613. οἰκητήριον (oikétérion) — 2 Occurrences
   
   Strong's Greek: 3613. οἰκητήριον (oikétérion) — 2 Occurrences. 2 Corinthians 5:2 N-ANS GRK: στενάζομεν τὸ οἰκητήριον ἡμῶν τὸ NAS: to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven, KJV: with our house which INT: we groan the dwelling of us which [is] Jude 1:6 N-ANS
4. www.bibletools.org › ID › G3613Strongs's #3613: oiketerion - Greek/Hebrew Definitions ...
   
   Strong's #3613: oiketerion (pronounced oy-kay-tay'-ree-on) neuter of a presumed derivative of 3611 (equivalent to 3612); a residence (literally or figuratively):--habitation, house. Thayer's Greek Lexicon: ̓́ . oikētērion . 1) a dwelling place, habitation. 1a) of the body as a dwelling place for the spirit. Part of Speech: noun neuter
5. www.blueletterbible.org › lexicon › g3613G3613 - oikētērion - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)
   
   οἰκητήριον oikētḗrion, oy-kay-tay'-ree-on; neuter of a presumed derivative of G3611 (equivalent to G3612 ); a residence (literally or figuratively):—habitation, house. The KJV translates Strong's G3613 in the following manner: house (1x), habitation (1x).
6. www.studylight.org › lexicons › engStrong's #3613 - οἰκητήριον - Old & New Testament Greek ...
   
   Strong's #3613 - οἰκητήριον Transliteration oikētḗrion Phonetics oy-kay-tay'-ree-on Origin from a presumed derivative of ( G3611) (equivalent to ( G3612 )) Parts of Speech Noun Neuter TDNT

That is my point 2 of my daughters married black men and have mixed race kids. When they were little they had a thing between cousins because on set of parents was mixed My daughter and her husband the others were both black My granddaughter just pops off white chocolate is better. end of the story.
The idea that Ham was cursed of God and so his children would for ever be black is HOG WASH!!!!!! Keep your racest ideas to yourself

Listen pal!!

Don’t even think of slandering me! Take your hate somewhere else! I never mentioned Ham associated with any curse. But it sure shows what’s in YOUR heart.

In fact I’m reporting your hate filled post.

Yes it is. The same pastor who was so vehement about pushing the "angels cohabiting with women" thing also taught other stuff such as that kids "inherit their blood from their father",(never mind that my Dad and I had different blood types). Also that Ham committed a "homosexual act" on his father Noah and that Noah's curse caused Black people to be consigned to slavery for all time. He said other racist things but I won't repeat them here.

Problem is, Noah didn't even curse Ham; he cursed his grandson Canaan(father of the Canaanites), and the Canaanites were not even Black. But here is the deal. Noah was laying there plastered out of his mind and what does the Bible say drunks do? It says they utter "perverse things". He came out of his tent with a hangover and cursed his own grandson for something the poor child didn't even do. Don't get me wrong, we'll see brother Noah in heaven one day but the the Bible says these things are written for our admonition. So the man that the Bible says was "just", had now done something very unjust by cursing his own grandchild for something he didn't even do. In short, he was backslidden. So how could his curse bear any degree of supernatural power being it was unjust? I'd think that how he treated that grandson in the days to come could have carried some influence for sure.

Now would that be Christlike of you to do that? Doesn't the Bible say that "open rebuke is better than secret love"? Why not just "rebuke" the man like you've done to me several times already?

I’ve already told you there’s no point in conversing with you. You are not here to add to the point of the thread by being an honest skeptic. You are here to cause division. Something I truly wanted to avoid in this thread.

That’s why I repeated several times now what I’ve asked in post 1.

You can just as easily start your own thread on the subject, but you, and several others, are simply interested in causing strife and division.

Here’s from post one again:

“But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.”

Now let’s see if you can please abide by that request, or if you’re solely interested in division.

Brother I won't participate in this thread anymore I apologize for missing or overlooking that stipulation.

Speciation is a fact (other than humans). Evolution is a fallacy. Begin to think of it in those terms and you'll be on the right track.

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A Matter Of Idioms

Why would Noah curse his grandson (Canaan) for something that his son (Ham) did? The answer lies in the phrase that Ham, “Saw the nakedness of his father.” At our first modern reading we assume that saying has a plain meaning: Ham saw his dad naked. But there is evidence from the scripture to suggest that this is not what was meant at all. Consider these passages in Leviticus, also written by Moses.

“You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is your father’s nakedness” (Leviticus 18:7-8).

“If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death” (Leviticus 20:11).

Notice the usage of, “Uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother.” Moses uses the idiom, then he explains it right away so the meaning is not lost.

In both cases Moses was using an idiom to basically say, “Don’t have sex with your mother,” or “Don’t have sex with your father’s wife.” Being that the passages in Genesis and Leviticus were written by the same author (Moses), it may be said that in Genesis 9 Moses was using this idiom to say that Ham had a sexual encounter with his mother (or Noah’s wife, assuming that the woman in question was not Ham’s natural mother). Either way, this was an incestuous relationship. Interestingly, these idioms are never used in scripture to describe a homosexual relationship, thus, this can only mean sleeping with one’s mother, or sleeping with a father’s wife, voluntary or not. So, taking this idiom into account let’s look at Genesis 9 again, with a little interpretation.

““Noah began to be a man of the soil, and he planted a vineyard. He drank of the wine and became drunk and lay uncovered in his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father [slept with his mother] and told his two brothers outside. Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father [mother]. Their faces were turned backward, and they did not see their father’s nakedness [mother]. When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him [slept with his wife], he said, ‘Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be to his brothers.’” (Genesis 9:20-25).

Notice that Ham went and told his brothers, Shem and Japheth, what he did to his mother. IE, he was telling them that she was “available.” Instead of taking advantage of her they covered her up.

So why the curse on Canaan? Because in this situation, if we are interpreting correctly, meant that Canaan was the illegitimate son of Ham and his mother. He therefore could not have a place of leadership in the family of Noah since we would have been an illegitimate son.

Why Is This Important?

When reading the book of Genesis we tend to look at the book as a series of stories about beginnings: the beginning of the world, the beginning of man, the beginning of sin, the beginning of the Jews, etc. But in actuality, the book of Genesis is more than just an account of beginnings. It is a book written to ancient Israelites in defense of Moses’ leadership for the nation. Secondly, it begins to tell us the story of the coming of Jesus.

Consider that in scripture, Canaan is a type for sin. God gives the descendants of Canaan the land for a while, but ultimately the land is to go to the Israelites as a fulfillment of a promise made to Abraham. The picture here is one of Jesus coming to deal with sin. As the land was promised to Abraham’s offspring, it is actually promised to Jesus because he is the promised offspring (Romans 4:13, Galatians 3:19). Thus, Moses is showing two things in Genesis 9. First, the Israelites are the promised people who will take possession of the land from the Canaanite tribes, who are cursed from spiritual leadership. Second, the coming savior would also come and deal with sin, by wiping it out in the same way that Israel wiped out the Canaanites from the land.

If Genesis 9 is interpreted as a homosexual act by Ham against his father, then the curse upon Canaan would be an injustice, being meted out for something his father had done. The scripture already says that, “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin” (Deuteronomy 24:16). Additionally, if the sin against Noah is a homosexual one, the story would tell us nothing of importance in terms of the types being illustrated about the promises of God for Israel and the coming Messiah. Remember that Genesis unfolds the story of a people needing a savior and finally a savior comes (Joseph), who is a type for Christ. Then Moses carries the story further into his own day as his own life becomes an illustration for the coming life of Christ.

Now, is this interpretation correct? I’m not saying I buy into this interpretation, but I do find it somewhat compelling. I confess that it is a hard one to accept because in our day we don’t use the idiom presented here. The issue is whether or not the Israelites would have understood the story in this way, being familiar with the idiom and its use elsewhere in the Pentateuch. Ultimately, it all gets down to the story of Jesus, since these early writings were given to us not only as ancient Israelite history, but as a precursor to the coming of Christ. Just as the Israelites destroyed the Canaanites from the land, so too, Jesus has dealt with the sin in our lives through his death on the cross. Just as Canaan was illegitimate and was given no family influence, so too, our sin is an illegitimate part of our lives and we must give it no influence in our lives for Christ.

Iwas not trying to slander you at all. but if you want to report me and have me banded for making a very clear point that two people of the same race can have a child of a different race that is fine. Yes God put a curse on him and they were to be slaves. I do not look at my son in laws as cursed, or slaves and I do not look at my grandchildren in that way. That would just be wrong. Please let me know when to white people ever had a Chinese baby.

The new age movement is why the world rebels against God which they interpret the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution and believe they are still evolving to be spiritual and godlike.

God warns the saints of the new age movement which is of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils(1 Timothy 4:1-5) and when the New Age Christ starts working in the world he will push the agenda of the new age movement until the world rebels against God.

When the New Age Christ starts working in the world it will be the time the world will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to their own lusts to evolve to be spiritual and godlike(2 Timothy 4:2-4).

The new age movement believes Lucifer is a solar angel that descended from Venus to earth to bring the principle of mind to the then animal-man so the fall is not a fall in to sin and disgrace but one of sacrifice for mankind and will cause them to evolve to be spiritual and godlike in the future.

That is how they interpret the Bible that Lucifer did not fall in to sin and disgrace but the fall was from Venus to help mankind to have intellect.

Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

The wickedness of people were great and every imagination of their heart was only evil continually which there is no way that the world would be that wicked unless evil spirits interacted with the people and corrupted them.

It will be like the days of Noah for the devils are going to interact with mankind and cause them to be evil continually which will cause God to put down the world again.

When they are evil continually there is no hope for them so there is no use in letting the world continue on which in the case of Noah he flooded the earth and started again with Noah and his family.

All who do not love God will be given strong delusion a delusion they cannot snap out of to follow the New Age Christ which the devils will deceive all people who do not love God to follow the New Age Christ which then they will have the nature of a devil and be evil continually so there is no use in continuing on with them for they cannot have salvation.

The world would never be evil continually unless the evil spirits interacted with mankind and caused them to be corrupt which will happen in the future when the devils are cast to earth which the earth becomes the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

God tells us of the last generation of mankind that will be worse in attitude than any generation before it and they will not be evil continually until the evil spirits interact with mankind.

We are in the end time and probably the last generation which their behavior will be worse than at any other time in history and they are not evil continually.

At the days of Noah they were evil continually and when the world follows the New Age Christ they will be evil continually again so God will put an end to their worldly system.

You are uninformed of these things.

Peace my Brother.

We have reached the "evil continually" for some time now.

The world is waiting for their savior = the Antichrist.

Evil has many different levels of rebellion and intensity whereby the violations against the Laws of God breach a Divine Order upon which there is no forgiveness.

I am not speaking of the law of Moses.