As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself

i dont believe a word of what you say .

Num 13:32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.
Nope it does not say what you want it to say.

Yeah.. Still don't get the correlation between what you said and what I said.

Angels can and do take on bodily form. And if the Scriptural text says that the sons of God had sex with human women, then they did!
My starting point is Scripture, not "common sense".

Hey. You believe whatever your heart wants. It's irrelevant to the truth.

The text says right there that the Israelite spies reported that the Nephilim, translated as "Giants" in verse 33, ate, or devoured, the inhabitants of the Land.


At the time this thread was started, there were at least 2 other Nephilim, or Gen 6 threads going on with those that wanted to debate and bicker about who the sons of God were. The point and purpose of this thread was to have those that already know the truth of who the sons of God are, to talk about any insights or thoughts they had on that truth.

This is what I wrote at the bottom of post ONE of THIS thread:

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.

Obviously at the end of the day, anybody can say anything, they like on any thread. I think everybody understands that. But you'd have to ask yourself what is the point of being a mocker and scoffer here, when you can VERY easily start a thread and talk til your heart content about how the sons of God are Seth's children, or any other possible explanation for Gen 6.

But alas, I'll probably just have to add you to the ignore bin.

And that would be a huge mistake.

Women do not become pregnant unless God allows them to...no matter how hard they try. And often times when they don't try.
God gives the gift of children...no one else. Not the will of man or angels.

Because ALL of your assertions defy this basic premise.
Your next breath is not at God's acquiesce but at his active support. That's omnipotence. Understand?

Umm. Yeah. That's the ENTIRE point!

The fallen angels did something so horrific, so against God's Will, in corrupting the pinnacle of God's Creation, by creating a a half human, half angel race, that God had to wipe out the ENTIRE world. And it wasn't just people that were genetically corrupted, but ALL flesh. The animals as well. Except all the living on the Ark.

Umm. Yeah. That's the ENTIRE point!

The fallen angels did something so horrific, so against God's Will, in corrupting the pinnacle of God's Creation, by creating a a half human, half angel race, that God had to wipe out the ENTIRE world. And it wasn't just people that were genetically corrupted, but ALL flesh. The animals as well. Except all the living on the Ark.

natural logic

Your god is not very sovereign or powerful.. Ya might try God the AlMighty the creator of all. Go ahead put me on ignore. I learned about discernment about 1956 .

Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Why did God utterly destroy, and wipe clean the entire world He created, and everything in it, save Noah, his family, and the selected animals aboard the Ark?

To answer this question we have to closely examine Genesis 6, the fallen angels that mated with human women, their progeny the Nephilim, and the proclamation 4 There were giants (Nephilim) on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD,..

So why do I believe this issue is so important? Because Jesus said in the end days things would be like in the days of Noah. I contend that we are living in the end days, and are doing the same things that that led God to destroy the world.

Matthew 24: 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved;

So first I'll lay out SOME of the vast Biblical proof that fallen angels DID mate with human women producing the Nephillim, hybrid race, the ALSO AFTERWARD, and the CORRUPTED flesh.
Then talk about how we are committing the same sin that they did.

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.

I'm just going to leave your text bolded here, as you posted it. I'll be quoted from the 1611 King James Bible.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

#1 When did all of this occur? The Bible says "in those days" followed by a semicolon.
#2. In order for "and also after that" to mean 'later in time", it needs to be before the semicolon. But since it is on the right hand side of that semicolon, it is describing the sentences on that side. Likewise, it cannot mean "later in time" on that side ether because this whole story is occuring "in those days.
#3. Following 'and also after that, is a comma. followed by another comma after "men", and another after "them".
#4 Now notice the world "children". Would you agree that some of those children were girls?
#5. If that group of children included girls, then how could the girls become "mighty men?

Please do yourself a favor. Look up all of the Bible occurrences of the phrase "mighty man". You will find things like "mighty man of valour" but also ones like "mighty man of wealth" (Boaz was a "mighty man of wealth" for instance). Then look up all of the occurrences of "son of God" and "sons of God". Finally look up the word "after". Please look all of these up in the King James Bible. You will be surprised to know that the word "after" , for instance, sometimes means things like "so as to resemble". "in accordance with", or "in the characteristic manner of"
Read the very first mentions in the Book of Genesis where it says "after his kind". Make sense? Now try plugging those meanings into the phrase "and also after that".

Genesis 6: 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also in accordance with that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

This is how I understand the passage. There were giants in the earth in those days. it was a time of great "violence" and the wickedness of man was great. Notice it says nothing about the wickedness of angels. So anyway these men, named in Genesis 5, started "marrying and giving in marriage"(look up that term in the NT) As they did so, by "begatting sons and daughters" for hundreds of years(these guys live to be 8-900 years old) they lived to see their progeny multiply into a huge nation of millions. Therefore, they became "mighty men of renown" economically, politically, and militarily "in accordance with" the threats of their "violence" filled world. We are living that same scenario "as the days of Noah" today

Every point you raise here has been brought up and rebrought up many times. I'd advise you to read the thread, and THEN comment.


But for prob the umpteenth Time, the term "sons of God", bene Elohim, is only found in Genesis 6, and Job.

At the beginning of Job, where the sons of God assemble before God with satan, and at the end of Job, where they are said by God, to have shouted for joy as God finished Creation.

That's it!

Every point you raise here has been brought up and rebrought up many times. I'd advise you to read the thread, and THEN comment.


But for prob the umpteenth Time, the term "sons of God", bene Elohim, is only found in Genesis 6, and Job.

At the beginning of Job, where the sons of God assemble before God with satan, and at the end of Job, where they are said by God, to have shouted for joy as God finished Creation.

That's it!

Interesting take and I think it's good.

I'd like to add my discussion too.

My thinking is that in the days of Noah there was too much wickedness abounding:

Genesis 6:5-6
5"And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

So the wickedness of people is what I think prompted God to be grieved enough to regret making man. God was not angry or wrathful in doing this. Notice that Noah and his family totaled out eight. God only allows wickedness to go until a point then it's time to reset.

What did God say about Sodom and Gomorrah?

Genesis 18:32
32"And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake."

Again, wickedness had bocome so rampant there that there weren't even a mere 10 righteous people availabe. God followed through with his promise to destroy them.

So what about the return of Christ being like the days of Noah? Christ will return after a period known as the Great Tribulation where wickedness will be rampant:

Matthew 24:22-23
21"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

It'll be so bad that barely anyone will survive except by divine intervention to save the elect.

Matthew 24:28
28"For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together."

So there's gonna be a lot of dead bodies laying around when Jesus returns. It'll be similar in scope to the great flood like in the days of Noah: the wicked perish and the elect (Christ's church) are saved.

The sons of God always represent the saints
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Every point you raise here has been brought up and rebrought up many times. I'd advise you to read the thread, and THEN comment.


But for prob the umpteenth Time, the term "sons of God", bene Elohim, is only found in Genesis 6, and Job.

At the beginning of Job, where the sons of God assemble before God with satan, and at the end of Job, where they are said by God, to have shouted for joy as God finished Creation.

That's it!