As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself

[PennEd]

i dont believe a word of what you say .

Num 13:32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.
Nope it does not say what you want it to say.

Hey. You believe whatever your heart wants. It's irrelevant to the truth.

The text says right there that the Israelite spies reported that the Nephilim, translated as "Giants" in verse 33, ate, or devoured, the inhabitants of the Land.


At the time this thread was started, there were at least 2 other Nephilim, or Gen 6 threads going on with those that wanted to debate and bicker about who the sons of God were. The point and purpose of this thread was to have those that already know the truth of who the sons of God are, to talk about any insights or thoughts they had on that truth.

This is what I wrote at the bottom of post ONE of THIS thread:

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.

Obviously at the end of the day, anybody can say anything, they like on any thread. I think everybody understands that. But you'd have to ask yourself what is the point of being a mocker and scoffer here, when you can VERY easily start a thread and talk til your heart content about how the sons of God are Seth's children, or any other possible explanation for Gen 6.

But alas, I'll probably just have to add you to the ignore bin.

 

[JohnDB]

Yeah.. Still don't get the correlation between what you said and what I said.

And that would be a huge mistake.

Women do not become pregnant unless God allows them to...no matter how hard they try. And often times when they don't try.
God gives the gift of children...no one else. Not the will of man or angels.

Because ALL of your assertions defy this basic premise.
Your next breath is not at God's acquiesce but at his active support. That's omnipotence. Understand?

 

[Aaron56]

Angels can and do take on bodily form. And if the Scriptural text says that the sons of God had sex with human women, then they did!
My starting point is Scripture, not "common sense".

God’s word is spirit and must be spiritually discerned. And God does not dispense deeper understanding of His ways democratically: wisdom is required. There are messages for the young and for the mature. Here’s the rub about sons of God: if you can’t receive that these are men it will affect your understanding of who you are in Christ.

 

[Beckie]

Hey. You believe whatever your heart wants. It's irrelevant to the truth.

The text says right there that the Israelite spies reported that the Nephilim, translated as "Giants" in verse 33, ate, or devoured, the inhabitants of the Land.


At the time this thread was started, there were at least 2 other Nephilim, or Gen 6 threads going on with those that wanted to debate and bicker about who the sons of God were. The point and purpose of this thread was to have those that already know the truth of who the sons of God are, to talk about any insights or thoughts they had on that truth.

This is what I wrote at the bottom of post ONE of THIS thread:

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.

Obviously at the end of the day, anybody can say anything, they like on any thread. I think everybody understands that. But you'd have to ask yourself what is the point of being a mocker and scoffer here, when you can VERY easily start a thread and talk til your heart content about how the sons of God are Seth's children, or any other possible explanation for Gen 6.

But alas, I'll probably just have to add you to the ignore bin.

Num 13:32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.

Seems lots of GOd's kids need help'

 

[PennEd]

And that would be a huge mistake.

Women do not become pregnant unless God allows them to...no matter how hard they try. And often times when they don't try.
God gives the gift of children...no one else. Not the will of man or angels.

Because ALL of your assertions defy this basic premise.
Your next breath is not at God's acquiesce but at his active support. That's omnipotence. Understand?

Umm. Yeah. That's the ENTIRE point!

The fallen angels did something so horrific, so against God's Will, in corrupting the pinnacle of God's Creation, by creating a a half human, half angel race, that God had to wipe out the ENTIRE world. And it wasn't just people that were genetically corrupted, but ALL flesh. The animals as well. Except all the living on the Ark.

 

[JohnDB]

Umm. Yeah. That's the ENTIRE point!

The fallen angels did something so horrific, so against God's Will, in corrupting the pinnacle of God's Creation, by creating a a half human, half angel race, that God had to wipe out the ENTIRE world. And it wasn't just people that were genetically corrupted, but ALL flesh. The animals as well. Except all the living on the Ark.

Then by natural logic train of thought of what you said, God is NOT omnipotent, Omniscient, Sovereign, or the Creator.

And I can't buy that whatsoever.

 

[Beckie]

Umm. Yeah. That's the ENTIRE point!

The fallen angels did something so horrific, so against God's Will, in corrupting the pinnacle of God's Creation, by creating a a half human, half angel race, that God had to wipe out the ENTIRE world. And it wasn't just people that were genetically corrupted, but ALL flesh. The animals as well. Except all the living on the Ark.

Your god is not very sovereign or powerful.. Ya might try God the AlMighty the creator of all. Go ahead put me on ignore. I learned about discernment about 1956 .

 

[PennEd]

natural logic

Yes. That would be the response of natural man.

 

[PennEd]

Your god is not very sovereign or powerful.. Ya might try God the AlMighty the creator of all. Go ahead put me on ignore. I learned about discernment about 1956 .

Your wish is my command!

Bye-bye

 

[Beckie]

Some many people who claim to know Jesus just have no idea who God is. They want for some stupid reason to believe the tail wags the dog.

 

[PennEd]

To get back to the topic at hand. This was LAST YEAR!

Who knows what abominations we have created since then. Not to mention the Chinese have been working on chimeras for a long time. Not just cloning humans.

 

[WayneNSO]

Is this the same book of Enoch that says angels built the ark? (1 En 67:1-3) despite the Bible saying Noah made it? (Gen 6:14,22; 8:6; Heb 11:7) The same book of Enoch that says the fallen angels are kept in a prison with columns of heavenly fire? (1 En 18:10-14; 19:1-2) whereas the Bible says they are bound in chains of darkness? (2 Pe 2:4; Jude 1:6) The same Enoch that says some of the dead will not be raised in the day of judgement? (1 En 22:13), whereas the Bible says in Rev 20:12-13 it says all the dead will be raised? The same Enoch that contradicts itself? compare 1 En 10:11-13 with 1 En 18:14, 19 it cant seem to make its mind up where these angels are to be bound

 

[Shepherd]

Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Why did God utterly destroy, and wipe clean the entire world He created, and everything in it, save Noah, his family, and the selected animals aboard the Ark?

To answer this question we have to closely examine Genesis 6, the fallen angels that mated with human women, their progeny the Nephilim, and the proclamation 4 There were giants (Nephilim) on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD,..

So why do I believe this issue is so important? Because Jesus said in the end days things would be like in the days of Noah. I contend that we are living in the end days, and are doing the same things that that led God to destroy the world.

Matthew 24: 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved;

So first I'll lay out SOME of the vast Biblical proof that fallen angels DID mate with human women producing the Nephillim, hybrid race, the ALSO AFTERWARD, and the CORRUPTED flesh.
Then talk about how we are committing the same sin that they did.

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.

I'm just going to leave your text bolded here, as you posted it. I'll be quoted from the 1611 King James Bible.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

#1 When did all of this occur? The Bible says "in those days" followed by a semicolon.
#2. In order for "and also after that" to mean 'later in time", it needs to be before the semicolon. But since it is on the right hand side of that semicolon, it is describing the sentences on that side. Likewise, it cannot mean "later in time" on that side ether because this whole story is occuring "in those days.
#3. Following 'and also after that, is a comma. followed by another comma after "men", and another after "them".
#4 Now notice the world "children". Would you agree that some of those children were girls?
#5. If that group of children included girls, then how could the girls become "mighty men?

Please do yourself a favor. Look up all of the Bible occurrences of the phrase "mighty man". You will find things like "mighty man of valour" but also ones like "mighty man of wealth" (Boaz was a "mighty man of wealth" for instance). Then look up all of the occurrences of "son of God" and "sons of God". Finally look up the word "after". Please look all of these up in the King James Bible. You will be surprised to know that the word "after" , for instance, sometimes means things like "so as to resemble". "in accordance with", or "in the characteristic manner of"
Read the very first mentions in the Book of Genesis where it says "after his kind". Make sense? Now try plugging those meanings into the phrase "and also after that".

Genesis 6: 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also in accordance with that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

This is how I understand the passage. There were giants in the earth in those days. it was a time of great "violence" and the wickedness of man was great. Notice it says nothing about the wickedness of angels. So anyway these men, named in Genesis 5, started "marrying and giving in marriage"(look up that term in the NT) As they did so, by "begatting sons and daughters" for hundreds of years(these guys live to be 8-900 years old) they lived to see their progeny multiply into a huge nation of millions. Therefore, they became "mighty men of renown" economically, politically, and militarily "in accordance with" the threats of their "violence" filled world. We are living that same scenario "as the days of Noah" today

 

[PennEd]

I'm just going to leave your text bolded here, as you posted it. I'll be quoted from the 1611 King James Bible.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

#1 When did all of this occur? The Bible says "in those days" followed by a semicolon.
#2. In order for "and also after that" to mean 'later in time", it needs to be before the semicolon. But since it is on the right hand side of that semicolon, it is describing the sentences on that side. Likewise, it cannot mean "later in time" on that side ether because this whole story is occuring "in those days.
#3. Following 'and also after that, is a comma. followed by another comma after "men", and another after "them".
#4 Now notice the world "children". Would you agree that some of those children were girls?
#5. If that group of children included girls, then how could the girls become "mighty men?

Please do yourself a favor. Look up all of the Bible occurrences of the phrase "mighty man". You will find things like "mighty man of valour" but also ones like "mighty man of wealth" (Boaz was a "mighty man of wealth" for instance). Then look up all of the occurrences of "son of God" and "sons of God". Finally look up the word "after". Please look all of these up in the King James Bible. You will be surprised to know that the word "after" , for instance, sometimes means things like "so as to resemble". "in accordance with", or "in the characteristic manner of"
Read the very first mentions in the Book of Genesis where it says "after his kind". Make sense? Now try plugging those meanings into the phrase "and also after that".

Genesis 6: 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also in accordance with that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

This is how I understand the passage. There were giants in the earth in those days. it was a time of great "violence" and the wickedness of man was great. Notice it says nothing about the wickedness of angels. So anyway these men, named in Genesis 5, started "marrying and giving in marriage"(look up that term in the NT) As they did so, by "begatting sons and daughters" for hundreds of years(these guys live to be 8-900 years old) they lived to see their progeny multiply into a huge nation of millions. Therefore, they became "mighty men of renown" economically, politically, and militarily "in accordance with" the threats of their "violence" filled world. We are living that same scenario "as the days of Noah" today

Every point you raise here has been brought up and rebrought up many times. I'd advise you to read the thread, and THEN comment.


But for prob the umpteenth Time, the term "sons of God", bene Elohim, is only found in Genesis 6, and Job.

At the beginning of Job, where the sons of God assemble before God with satan, and at the end of Job, where they are said by God, to have shouted for joy as God finished Creation.

That's it!

 

[WayneNSO]

Every point you raise here has been brought up and rebrought up many times. I'd advise you to read the thread, and THEN comment.


But for prob the umpteenth Time, the term "sons of God", bene Elohim, is only found in Genesis 6, and Job.

At the beginning of Job, where the sons of God assemble before God with satan, and at the end of Job, where they are said by God, to have shouted for joy as God finished Creation.

That's it!

According to Hebrews 1:5 God has never called the angels his sons

 

[WayneNSO]

The sons of God always represent the saints
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[Shepherd]

Every point you raise here has been brought up and rebrought up many times. I'd advise you to read the thread, and THEN comment.


But for prob the umpteenth Time, the term "sons of God", bene Elohim, is only found in Genesis 6, and Job.

At the beginning of Job, where the sons of God assemble before God with satan, and at the end of Job, where they are said by God, to have shouted for joy as God finished Creation.

That's it!

Yes, that's true, because the OT was written in Hebrew. In the New Testament it's written, "Teknon Theos", (greek)which means basically the same thing; "son of God". I looked yours up: Did you look up "mighty man", 'and "after" ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Interesting take and I think it's good.

I'd like to add my discussion too.

My thinking is that in the days of Noah there was too much wickedness abounding:

Genesis 6:5-6
5"And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

So the wickedness of people is what I think prompted God to be grieved enough to regret making man. God was not angry or wrathful in doing this. Notice that Noah and his family totaled out eight. God only allows wickedness to go until a point then it's time to reset.

What did God say about Sodom and Gomorrah?

Genesis 18:32
32"And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake."

Again, wickedness had bocome so rampant there that there weren't even a mere 10 righteous people availabe. God followed through with his promise to destroy them.

So what about the return of Christ being like the days of Noah? Christ will return after a period known as the Great Tribulation where wickedness will be rampant:

Matthew 24:22-23
21"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

It'll be so bad that barely anyone will survive except by divine intervention to save the elect.

Matthew 24:28
28"For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together."

So there's gonna be a lot of dead bodies laying around when Jesus returns. It'll be similar in scope to the great flood like in the days of Noah: the wicked perish and the elect (Christ's church) are saved.

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

in Noah’s day men became inherently wicked And the lord made an end but gave man grace

“But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make thee an ark of gopher wood;. …..Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:8, 13-14, 22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

man was saved through grave and faith and in the end God has said again I will destroy the earth and everything In it but he’s given us grace again and just try credit us how to live like Noah

just as the flood came only Noah who heard gods word was prepared and saved so it shall be again we’ve been given grace like Noah and given a word of saving faith like Noah but the world isnt listening

“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:36-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the world isn’t prepared but Christians who accept the gospel are being prepared as we don’t reject it

“For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:2-4‬ ‭


in Noah’s day only Noah who heard gods warning and obeyed his instructions lived the rest didn’t even see it coming it was sudden and complete destruction and Noah and his family were safe in the ark because of faith hearing and believing Gods word and reacting as if he believed he was ready for the flood

there’s a flood of fire coming and a message from God offering grace d the truth to save us

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The sons of God always represent the saints
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

yeah and no angel has ever been called the son of God as mankind is called

“being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee?

And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:4

angels and men are different creatures man is made in Gods image it’s our right and role to be his children alone no other creature is man man is made to be specifically Gods children

angels are spiritual ministers from heaven. And have never been called the sons of God that’s reserved for mankind from the beginning

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Those are the children angels have never been made In His image and likeness nor given inheritance of his creation

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;


For verily he took not on him the nature of angels;

but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14, 16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Christ the son became a man because men are the children he didn’t become an angel because he’s the son and they aren’t they are spiritual ministers sent to help man inherit salvstion

Christ didn’t die to reconcile the angels transgressions he became on of Gods children mankind to save thy children mankind from the spiritual corruption of evil in the world including fallen angels

 

[JohnDB]

Every point you raise here has been brought up and rebrought up many times. I'd advise you to read the thread, and THEN comment.


But for prob the umpteenth Time, the term "sons of God", bene Elohim, is only found in Genesis 6, and Job.

At the beginning of Job, where the sons of God assemble before God with satan, and at the end of Job, where they are said by God, to have shouted for joy as God finished Creation.

That's it!

Nope...
Try again.
Try John 1:12
Then there's the section of Deuteronomy in the DSS that fits very well restoring the rhythm and cadence to that section.

There are many references.