Do you believe in (OSAS) Once Saved, Always Saved?
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Mark 1:15
And saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”
Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Romans 10:9
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe
in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient
toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
Acts 3:19
Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out,
Matthew 3:2
“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Acts 20:21
Testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 17:30
The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,
And saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”
Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Romans 10:9
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe
in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient
toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
Acts 3:19
Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out,
Matthew 3:2
“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Acts 20:21
Testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 17:30
The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,
Hi @Runningman
I think we agree.
I believe that Jesus when he died on the cross and said it is finished died for sins for the sins of all. Forgiveness of sins.
The appropriation of forgiveness and reconciliation to the Father is only given per Romans 5
Romans 5:1-2
Faith Triumphs in Trouble
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
And.
Romans 10:8-13
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
I am not a universalist or a calvanist but I do believe that as Jesus said he will not lose any that the Father has given him.
I think we agree.
I believe that Jesus when he died on the cross and said it is finished died for sins for the sins of all. Forgiveness of sins.
The appropriation of forgiveness and reconciliation to the Father is only given per Romans 5
Romans 5:1-2
Faith Triumphs in Trouble
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
And.
Romans 10:8-13
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
I am not a universalist or a calvanist but I do believe that as Jesus said he will not lose any that the Father has given him.
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God's Word tells us to judge those in the church.
But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother
but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or
a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge
those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 1 Corinthians 5:11-12
Many consider the RCC to be riddled with idolatry. Call it an opinion if you like.
1 Corinthians 11:19
But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother
but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or
a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge
those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 1 Corinthians 5:11-12
Many consider the RCC to be riddled with idolatry. Call it an opinion if you like.
1 Corinthians 11:19
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I’ve repeatedly pointed out that only those who believe will be saved, aka, the “many”, even though the gospel must be preached to the whole world, and that’s what the COVENANT is all about. For those who don’t believe, they are condemned already, for they love darkness rather than the light. It’s not about whom he came to save, the final result is whom God made that new covenant with - through his shed blood.
This sounds like you’re saying that the death of Christ applies to everyone’s sins. If Christ’s death applies to someone’s sin then they are forgiven regardless of their response which is false.
You keep using terminology like this you’re going to confuse a lot of people and lead them astray. People like me are always coming back behind you to clean up your mess and hopefully unmuddy the waters for readers.
Christ died to make a sacrifice available for all sinners, but this sin sacrifice is only available through faith. You would do well to learn that quickly!
You keep using terminology like this you’re going to confuse a lot of people and lead them astray. People like me are always coming back behind you to clean up your mess and hopefully unmuddy the waters for readers.
Christ died to make a sacrifice available for all sinners, but this sin sacrifice is only available through faith. You would do well to learn that quickly!
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FreeGrace2 said:
I clarified your very vague question. It all depends upon whether that person EVER believed in Jesus.
Then you cannot possibly believe what Jesus said.
I believe that anyone who as EVER believed shall never perish.
Why? Because Jesus gives the gift of eternal life to a believer when they believe and then proclaims, recipients of eternal life shall never perish.
I believe what Jesus promises. I am amazed that a professing Christian out and out says they don't believe that.
I clarified your very vague question. It all depends upon whether that person EVER believed in Jesus.
Then you cannot possibly believe what Jesus said.
I believe that anyone who as EVER believed shall never perish.
Why? Because Jesus gives the gift of eternal life to a believer when they believe and then proclaims, recipients of eternal life shall never perish.
I believe what Jesus promises. I am amazed that a professing Christian out and out says they don't believe that.
FreeGrace2 actually said "that doesn't save anyone."
So how can you say he is promoting universalism?
So how can you say he is promoting universalism?
The way I see it, God scattered the Jews across the entire world, and he used the gentiles to bring the Jews back to him. Israel will be the last among all nations that receive the gospel and embrace Jesus as the Christ, hence “the first will be the last, the last will be the first.” It’s a full circle, and it’s coming to pass. While the younger generation in Europe and North America is abandoning Jesus, faith in Jesus is booming among the younger generation of Jewish people, even among Muslims. That’s a unique end time phenomenon.
FreeGrace2 said:
This is a fallacy. Jesus Christ died for everyone's sins.
Well, let's see what the Bible says, if that's alright with you.
2 Cor 5:14,15
14 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.
15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.
2 Cor 5:19 - that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
That is what I believe. It seems you don't. Even though I quoted the Bible directly.
Then you don't know the Bible. Acts 10:43 tells us specifically how to be forgiven: believing in Christ.
" All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
So your claim is false. They aren't forgiven. They are reconciled, which means the sin barrier that separates man from God is REMOVED.
See 2 Cor 5:19 above.
I don't believe that using biblical terminology will have that effect. Too many believers use un or non-biblical words which don't even line up with truth.
lol.
OK, you post from the hip without even reading before you post. That has been my very clear point throughout.
What's wrong with you? I've quoted Acts 10:43, 2 Cor 5:19 many times. Yet you still aren't even close to understanding my position.
This is a fallacy. Jesus Christ died for everyone's sins.
Well, let's see what the Bible says, if that's alright with you.
2 Cor 5:14,15
14 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.
15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.
2 Cor 5:19 - that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
That is what I believe. It seems you don't. Even though I quoted the Bible directly.
Then you don't know the Bible. Acts 10:43 tells us specifically how to be forgiven: believing in Christ.
" All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
So your claim is false. They aren't forgiven. They are reconciled, which means the sin barrier that separates man from God is REMOVED.
See 2 Cor 5:19 above.
I don't believe that using biblical terminology will have that effect. Too many believers use un or non-biblical words which don't even line up with truth.
lol.
OK, you post from the hip without even reading before you post. That has been my very clear point throughout.
What's wrong with you? I've quoted Acts 10:43, 2 Cor 5:19 many times. Yet you still aren't even close to understanding my position.
You said "This is a fallacy. Jesus Christ died for everyone's sins." Christ did die for all as the Bible says, but you said He died for "everyone's sins" which to me has a completely different connotation to it and is false.
The atoning sin sacrifice of Jesus does not apply to everyone. That's all I am saying and I hope you can at least agree with that.
The atoning sin sacrifice of Jesus does not apply to everyone. That's all I am saying and I hope you can at least agree with that.