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Christianity is a sect of Judaism as well as a fulfillment of the old testament.
 

jb

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would you donate to Copeland...and the like.
Certainly Not! 2Peter 2v1-3

I very much doubt that those who indulge in such practices as stealing and fleecing money from God's dear people will even get into Heaven!
 
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Certainly Not! 2Peter 2v1-3

I very much doubt that those who indulge in such practices as stealing and fleecing money from God's dear people will even get into Heaven!

I have no doubt God will deal with that mentality, Either here on earth or at time of eternal judgement....or both.
God forgives but, some sins we pay for on this earth it appears and that type of abuse by some of the meek is alike, surely.
 
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timed out......

There is no way copeland needs ....3 jets.

Why would folks support that type of church leadership?
 
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...timed out..

...not withstanding the Jones thing... Africa 1978 where 900 committed suicide.
 

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The more Jews that come to Jesus the better. Just don't try to make me adopt Jewish customs and we'll get along fine.
 

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You have an opinion...discern it's application. One thing is for sure...a Jew does not believe in Christ as the Messiah.
You should align your opinion with Scripture :) A Jew was originally any descendant of the Israelite
tribe of Judah; the definition has broadened to include any physical descendant of Jacob or Israel.


A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision
only outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly,
and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written
code. Such a man’s praise does not come from men, but from God.


Is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too since there is
only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith.


Paul identified himself as a Jew. According to you, he did not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah.
 
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Christianity is a sect of Judaism as well as a fulfillment of the old testament.
Christian is Judaism and Judaism is to follow Christ.

We can say it this way as well: Messiah is why Judaism was created, so that the Jews would know their Messiah.

Elohim/Yahweh, whatever version you choose, can never change the meaning/purpose of Genesis.

Genesis is the Messianic/Christian Message of HOPE that Elohuim/Yahweh formed for Himself.

So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

As long as there are Jews and Gentiles on earth - His TRUTH will never be made null or void.
 

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Since Christ is not part of this.. what I always notice is who ever be it video or post you never hear about the one sharing as in their sins their mistakes goof ups or some doctrine they got wrong. Then you find out (so far for me every one of them) they never reached out talk to who ever it us they don't like and are not praying for them.. but just LOVE JESUS! Oh thank you Jesus for your mercy and grace for always forgiving me and picking me up when I fall and not condemning me. 70*7 just.. not there.

You know why you should never judge right? See are you walking in 1st Cor 13? Are you showing the fruits of the spirit? Are you going in into this with love to help to lift up to help them? If not then all that will in fact happen ever time is GOD will judge you the exact same way you judge His kids. Thats another one.. its not your kids..knowing He said how you treated them my brethren you have treated me. You are His brethren family.. kids. See all my life.. ALL MY LIFE its "what if that was me how would I want to be treated".

So would I give to them? In heart beat. See I am not giving to man but the lord and I must obey what He ask. So if HE asks me to give. Its like the preacher that needed some money for something. Short is guy comes in tossing down a bag says " I don't even like you yet GOD told me to give this to you". It was the exact to the dime he needed. WHERE do you think Christ is? Yeah with you also those that are not showing HIs loves His mercy His grace and forgiveness as He does for you 24/7. To take that from Him and NOT give it to those that need it. Oh just wait.. to know HE told you you can't see the heart you only see the heart (Samual). Song playing OVER IT..its perfect right now..

So I don't care what you personally believe.. you believe Jesus came in the flesh died rose is the only way to the Father? Then know there is someone out there no matter how many times you fall goof up miss it get some doctrine wrong.. I will never ever give up on you. He never ever gave up on me.. I MUST show the same.. its not command for me...its just in me. This love...as of late just reading parts of the word.. cry.. I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE His compassion. See the good in them...speak words of life. LEAVE the problem with HIM..give it to HIM! So He can help.. if you try to do it.. it will ways get messed up. He started something in you.. and them and He will finish it. Ask HIM to show you people through His eyes. For me that took 15 years for Him to show me. You do not know how much HE loves this world for not one knows how much He loves them and that makes Him cry.

Some of this talk.. the enemy will use it to get to you.. theres a reason we will answer for every word. You don't know who you are nor who you really are. See the good 1st.. not the faults.. they are in the light so its easy to see the sin. Yet.. no one is seeing yours and you will not share it 1st :)
 

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Judaism is antichrist
no, they are not. They are expecting Christ to still come they do not accept Jesus as the Christ. If you ever witness to them you will know this.
 

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What?

Beckie you state that you were always 'kind of saved'

May I ask what you mean by that? What is 'kind of saved'?
I dont have a born again birth date , those that do are blessed. . Grew up in a Christian home . I well remember as a child asking jesus to come into my heart Had a few years in teenage rebellion as a lot of preachers kids do. . At one point i was sorta watching Billy Graham on TV he was introducing Nicky Cruz at the same time i was reading Cross and the Switchblade and Nicky Cruz was being introduced in the book.. I said OK God if You can slap me up side the head like this i get it...

As for Judaism being antichrist....
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
 
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I guess I look at it like this...Judaism gave birth to it's child, Messianic Judaism.
 
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Without Judaism, we wouldn't have a savior. Seems to me, they had something to do with us having a bible too.
 

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Without Judaism, we wouldn't have a savior. Seems to me, they had something to do with us having a bible too.
I love the OT But The Christ is the Son of God not the son of Judaism and the Scripture are very clear the religion of Judaism in antichrist . Before i get totally yelled at :) I fully trust the OT saints are my brothers and sisters i the Lord. Because using Moses as an example , is a saint of God does not mean by the time God sent Jesus the priests had not gone goofy
 
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I dont have a born again birth date , those that do are blessed. . Grew up in a Christian home . I well remember as a child asking jesus to come into my heart Had a few years in teenage rebellion as a lot of preachers kids do. . At one point i was sorta watching Billy Graham on TV he was introducing Nicky Cruz at the same time i was reading Cross and the Switchblade and Nicky Cruz was being introduced in the book.. I said OK God if You can slap me up side the head like this i get it...

As for Judaism being antichrist....
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Thanks for responding. I also accepted Jesus as a child. You didn't express that in your profile and your answer seemed vague so I wanted to understand better what you were saying.

I read the Cross and the Switchblade years back too. A great book!

John is not calling his Jewish countrymen antichrists. He is speaking of actual people causing problems in the burgeoning congregations of believers. John was writing to the churches regarding the infiltration of false prophets who were denying Christ and the reference to the spirit of antichrist is to them.

You might find the following helpful:

1 John
The First Letter of John was apparently addressed to a group of churches where “false prophets,” denounced as Antichrist, denied the Incarnation of Jesus and caused a secession so substantial that the orthodox remnant was sadly depleted. The faithful were deeply disturbed that the heresy found favour among pagans, and they apparently felt inferior because those who had left their midst claimed to have profound mystical experiences. The heretics asserted that they possessed perfection, were “born of God,” and were without sin. By placing themselves above the Commandments, they in fact sanctioned moral laxity. John’s letter thus urges the Christian community to hold fast to what they had been taught and to repudiate heretical teachings. Christians are exhorted to persevere in leading a moral life, which meant imitating Christ by keeping the Commandments, especially that of loving one another. The spirit of the letter closely parallels that of the Gospel According to John.



2 John
The second and third letters are closely akin to the first in language and ideas. The Second Letter of John exhorts a church, fancifully called “the elect lady and her children,” to boycott the docetic heretics (combated in 1 John), who deny the reality of the Incarnation. In 2 John, as in the Gospel According to John and 1 John, the light–darkness images are similar to those of the Dead Sea Scrolls. To “walk in the truth” is to reject heresy and follow the doctrine of Christ.



3 John
The Third Letter of John is addressed to a certain Gaius and complains that “Diotrephes, who lies to put himself first, does not acknowledge my authority”—a hint that gnostic teachings were severely disrupting the community. The writer is concerned about and has responsibility as presbyter for the missionaries of the church. It is somewhat of a short note concerned with church discipline, encouraging hospitality to true missionaries, and thus is not unconnected with true doctrine and the command of love.

The above is a very brief description and you can find lots more if you do a search on google or whatever search engine you use. This is from the following Letters of John | Summary