We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden

I read your first post. The scripture is literal, it really happened.

In the Third Lie Satan cast into the woman that her eyes be open and she'd be as gods. In her mind she believes the Lies and was looking at the fruit thinking it make her wise. She is possessed! But what ACTUALLY happened then when Woman ate the fruit and gave to Man also? Did the serpent tell them the truth? No it was a lie.

Genesis 3:7-8

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.


The Man and the Woman are hidden from God. The Word of God cries out for his children searching for them.

Genesis 3:9-11

9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?


Man makes the First confession, he takes responsibility though he is the least at fault. He tells the truth about what happened and confesses and acknowledges that he has erred and why he erred and acknowledges God was right.

Genesis 3:12

12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

And God is dismayed at what the Woman has done! Yet she humbles herself, one of the only women ever to do so, and she makes the Second Confession and she tells the truth to God about what happened and acknowledges that her thoughts were wrong and come from the Devil.

Genesis 3:13

13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

The serpent makes no confession, but is immediately cursed by God, the First Curse, and here in this curse against the serpent is the Prophecy of his end promised by the Word of God and the Son of Man. Furthermore according to his great curse is where he gets his other name, Satan, the Enemy. Cursed be he above all cattle, the Lord Jesus Christ will crush him.

Genesis 3:14-15
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

And God tells the woman the commands for how a woman can break the Devil's possession by desiring only one man and obeying her husband. She is also given the curse of woman for her transgression and she will now have to pay the curse in painful childbirth.

Genesis 3:16
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


And God tells the man the commands for how a man can break the Devil's possession by toiling by the sweat of his brow. The earth is cursed because of him and will not yield her strength. And he furthermore must pay his curse that from the dust he was taken and to the dust he will one day return.

Genesis 3:17-19
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

The Man called the woman's name Eve because she is our mother. God give to them clothing of skins to cover them

Genesis 3:20-21
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

And God drives them out of the Garden. God sends the first Angels to the entrance of the Garden. God also sends the first Sword to guard the way of the tree of life.

Genesis 3:22-24
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

This is the story of the Garden. This is what happened in the Garden. They were cast out of the Garden by the Lord God Almighty and to guard the way against them, A Sword Cometh.

Again, you demonstrate your ignorance of Scripture.

Matthew 27:51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.

Check out what a dead spirit tried to say to me:

"Blessed are the poor in spirit. The poor in spirit are those that come begging every day for forgiveness like a starving man begging for food. The man who knows he is a sinner and begs forgiveness is Jesus target audience. Tell Jesus your sin, if you can admit you have one."

// It means poor in worldly intentions ...but nice try


Matthew 5:3
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

do you disagree?

interesting.
a sinless perfectionist who talks to dead spirits.

**sigh** i guess i will read the thread

What are you saying? A Biblical Saint was doing physical sins? ...get real. Your Temple is likely not in good shape if you think a Saint would be doing that ...while a Saint.

Biblical Saints write what GOD wants them to write. Dude, you want separation from GOD ...good luck with Him Knowing you at Judgement.


Do you get that a testimonial is a past event? Paul was a Saint at the point of writing it down. Also, they didn't have chapters back then. So this was right by it (after 10 verses) ...and uhh ...you are still walking in the flesh:

Rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Rom 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:6
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

He seems to believe that the Spirit of God that animates all living flesh is dead
in non-believers. Which is quite contrary to Scripture, no surprises there.

“But it is a spirit in man, And the breath
of the Almighty gives them understanding."

The spirit of man is the lamp of the Lord,
Searching all the innermost parts of his being.

No, they are using dead spirits from a dead tree. INTENTIONS

I have said nothing about baptism, or Calvin, or positional righteousness in this thread (and very little on these subjects in other threads). I don't know why you are bringing these things up. Perhaps you have mistaken me for someone else?[/QUOTE]

yep that’s exactly what happened. I was discussing baptism and misread your criticism of my sentance structure. I hadn’t noticed it was a different person and it was kind of out of nowhere so your right I definately mistook you for someone I had been discussing with because you replied in the mkddle
If the discussion

when you said “ preposition “ I misread it because of the prior discussion.

but to answer your question yes obviously I’m not great at grammar or sentance structure ect.

I remember grammar school about 50 or so years ago. But here’s the thing. I’ve worked roofing and construction my entire life. I literally have never had a writing job or anything. I’ve filled out paperwork , written some short thkngs on Christmas cards ect things like that , maybe written three letter in my lifetime

what I’m saying is in my life ive never really had any reason to use grammar because I’ve actually Never written anything. I’ve never had writing as a hobby , besides my hands have been sore for about 40 years no or so in the evenings and I’d never really had any time or interest in being an author or writer.

I’m not even here trying to be a writer . What I write here in this forum is just how I speak. Because again after 50 years your right prepositions , nouns , adjectives are the absolute furthest thing from my mind. Im just here to share scripture and some thoughts with others and here tbier scriptire and thoughts

I’m not sure I think before you have pointed out grammar or some such thing. Im. It meaning to sound rude but trying to explain to you I’m an old dog and have no interest in writing or learning grammar all over again.

just here to discuss scripture I’ve met quite a few folks here a few you are one have an issue with bad sentance structure , or grammar and that’s perfectly ok with me.

but again it doesn’t bother me I write just how I speak and I’m too old to care about of others have an issue with grammar of sentance structure. So if it’s like a pet peeve of yours I’m ok if you just pass on by my posts.

I don’t really have an issue with it. But others here seem to be able to discuss and don’t have a hang up with it.

so I apologize but how I write is just what it is at this point , I try to express my thoughts as best I can. But it honestly seems like something I don’t care about how I write or how others do. If it’s an issue for you there are a lot of folks here who wrote beautifully and structure sentences perfectly I’m not one of them and never will be

I hope you receive this without taking offense just trying to make a point to you when you spend fifty years not using writing skills , you tend to. Ot find it to be very important me do lose recall
Of things like prepositions and such .

God bless sorry I’m mistook your post for someone’s response it sort of came in the middle of a discussion and I wasn’t paying close enough attention ruin to who it was.

The Tree was not dead

You can't be for real. sin is death. wicked intentions come from a dead tree. You only read a fraction of the posts in this thread.

I think he’s saying when they are the fruit , they inherited a sentance of death. Not positive though.

in fact that tree God planted may still be living, and in His garden.

Fear of The LORD is Wisdom from the Tree of LIFE. It is Wisdom that tells us what happens if we are not Saved.

Do you think your secret repeated willful sin will not be Judged?:


Ecc 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.


Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

No. That's why he says this:

Anyone who disagrees with him, therefore, has a dead spirit. According to him.

But also according to his standard, since he continues to sin, he has a dead spirit also.

I think I’m not positive but I think he’s saying they inherited this when they transgressed

“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

not that thoer spirit does but they were now under a sentence of mortality sort of they passed from life , to death when they transgressed. Which makes this relevant

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

sort of they died when they rejected a gods warning and followed satans word in the beginning , and are given life again when they hear the gospel and are brought back to life where they began

“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I don’t think Man was created to die , but transgressed the commandment that said “Ye will surely die “ they sort of rejected what God said and followed what the serpent said and were led into death but Christ is offering life from that death.

Gods Will seemed to always be man would live , and satans was man will die d Adam followed death which is why we die and need Christ and redemption to
Life.

In the beginning

“And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:9, 15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But after they heard and followed satans word

“therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


And there. After we come to Christ and believe the gospel and overcome the word of Satan

“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

ahh ok I hadn’t read that one. It seems
Like he hasn’t noticed that God made atonement immediately after they were sentenced to death

Oh, he has not admitted he sins. He claims to have made no
claims about himself, but that is just another one of his lies.

But he does claim one cannot sin if they are in fact saved.

And he obviously believes himself saved because he is putting himself forward
as a teacher of Scripture, while displaying a shocking lack of understanding of
the material. The long and the short of it is he believes he does not sin.
Unless it is all an act and he is just a troll

Look at what he says, for instance, calling the tree dead.
When it is pointed out that the tree was not dead?
He refuses to admit it.