Difference between Baptized with the Holy Ghost and being FILLED with the Holy Ghost vs

What your saying is untrue.
Denominations are NOT what makes a soul a believer. Hearing and doing the word in faith makes one a believer.

The filling of the Holy Ghost has nothing to do with culture,race,teachings,ECT. But has ALL TO DO WITH WHAT AND HOW YOU ACCEPT WHAT THUS SAITH GOD'S WORD!

Your eyes? Try the word of God INSTEAD.

• empowering of the Holy Spirit Acts 2:38
• baptism of the Holy Spirit John 1:33
• having the Holy Spirit in you John 14:17
• Having the Holy come upon you Numbers 11:25, Judges 3:10, Judges 6:34, 1 Sam 16:13, EZ 37:1 Luke 3:22, Acts 2:3-4, Acts 19:6,

I dont know any teaching which splits so much believers.
You can be glad, in the last 30 years this teaching became much influence in the non pentecostal/charismatic denominations.
This makes it not correct, but to a sign of the time.

I dont know any teaching which splits so much believers.
You can be glad, in the last 30 years this teaching became much influence in the non pentecostal/charismatic denominations.
This makes it not correct, but to a sign of the time.

I dont know any teaching which splits so much believers.
You can be glad, in the last 30 years this teaching became much influence in the non pentecostal/charismatic denominations.
This makes it not correct, but to a sign of the time.

That is what the word says not according to me.

Then it is interesting, that according your teaching before 1900 almost non believers were filled with the Holy Spirit and even non of them received the Holy Spirit.
And also since 1900 you alone can find filled with the Holy Spirit believers ore those which received the Holy Spirit in the pentecostal and charismatic Movements.
Also then fleshly Christians which you could find in the corithian church you would call filled with the Spirit, because the spoke in tongues.
Well this I would call false teaching.

It’s very simple, no need to complicate it.

God wants a relationship with us and wants us to have a relationship with each other. A relationship MUST HAVE COMMUNICATION.

We are like a cellphone. Jesus Christ purchases us with His Blood and Body. We now belong to Him - we are SEALED with the Holy Spirit.

However, like a cellphone- we have not been “activated.” We belong to Jesus Christ but have no power.

Baptism with the Holy Spirit is when we get “activated” - filled with power the FIRST time.

After Baptism with the Holy Spirit, we will need to learn how to plug in to the Holy Spirit and get recharged…be FILLED AGAIN with the Holy Spirit - just like we have to daily recharge our cellphone.

Receiving the Holy Ghost (which comes with the evidence of speaking in tongues because every believer needs the ability to pray in the spirit and "If I pray in an unknown tongue, my Spirit prayeth" according to scripture.) is not something that started, is controlled by, or is occurring today because of anything that happened in 1900 other than a lot of people know about it thanks to those revivals, etc.

Subsequently, even your postings probably help more people be aware of that particular set of revivals and it lets them know that Yes, God can move in the USA, in a big way. That gives them hope and understanding that God can do it again if his people likewise get sincere in prayer. (Thank-you Jesus)

The outpouring of the Holy Ghost has been a divider of the people ever since it's initial outpouring on the day of Pentecost. Haters will hate, mock and seek to stop it, just as the Churchy people did throughout the Book of Acts . But those who will seek the Lord diligently as if what he promised and delivered to the Apostles (and ALL the disciples) on the day of Pentecost is still something he's willing to pour out upon them according to the promise of Acts 2:38-39... these people are still receiving because the promise is to ALL that the Lord our God shall call. It didn't stop at the writing of Acts, and it didn't start in 1900 (no matter what anyone claims).

I didn't even know about those revivals when I received the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues, because I wasn't looking at man to receive it. And it doesn't come from man. Jesus is the ONLY one who baptizes with the Holy Ghost... which means JESUS is the one who decided to include speaking in tongues during the outpouring.

People may get angry that some are saying "Hey, ya know that promise that was poured out on the day of Pentecost and is promised to ALL that the Lord calls? Ya know you need that, right?.. because it's the Holy Ghost... and without the Holy Ghost, a person is NONE of his (because he hasn't yet received the SPIRIT of adoption)" That's not a judgmental "You're not good enough" It's a "Hey, I love you and want you to have it too because it's available to ALL that the Lord our God shall call... and His call is unto you...so tarry until you receive it also.".

It's a foolish thing to our natural mind, but we know it's written that he chooses the foolish things to confound the wise. So it shouldn't surprise us. Yet it does.

You can reject it if you like (based on 1900 or any other doctrine) but speaking in tongues is still a sign to the unbelievers that you you can't deny you've been told about and probably witnessed (even if you don't think it's REALLY speaking in tongues) so you won't stand before God with excuse.

You say "I can't find it pre-1900, therefore it didn't exist during that time" but your limited research 100+ years later is no more reliable than Elijah's conclusion that he was the only one left serving God over Baal in Israel. He said there weren't any others... and he was there while it was going on. (1 Kings 19:10&14) And he was a prophet. BTW, do you realize God had to speak to Elijah to get him to understand the truth about how many were still going for God?.. And from what I remember, you don't believe God speaks like that anymore either... so you're kind of in a pickle (so to speak).

I wish you the best, but I also know the bible tells us there will be mockers in the last days who speak big but don't even have the Holy Ghost. And God will not force you (or anyone) to believe. So it's up to you... but only regarding you. The rest of us can still receive the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues, because God is still pouring it out just like he did in the book of Acts. Thank-you Jesus.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Receiving the Holy Ghost (which comes with the evidence of speaking in tongues because every believer needs the ability to pray in the spirit and "If I pray in an unknown tongue, my Spirit prayeth" according to scripture.) is not something that started, is controlled by, or is occurring today because of anything that happened in 1900 other than a lot of people know about it thanks to those revivals, etc.

Subsequently, even your postings probably help more people be aware of that particular set of revivals and it lets them know that Yes, God can move in the USA, in a big way. That gives them hope and understanding that God can do it again if his people likewise get sincere in prayer. (Thank-you Jesus)

The outpouring of the Holy Ghost has been a divider of the people ever since it's initial outpouring on the day of Pentecost. Haters will hate, mock and seek to stop it, just as the Churchy people did throughout the Book of Acts . But those who will seek the Lord diligently as if what he promised and delivered to the Apostles (and ALL the disciples) on the day of Pentecost is still something he's willing to pour out upon them according to the promise of Acts 2:38-39... these people are still receiving because the promise is to ALL that the Lord our God shall call. It didn't stop at the writing of Acts, and it didn't start in 1900 (no matter what anyone claims).

I didn't even know about those revivals when I received the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues, because I wasn't looking at man to receive it. And it doesn't come from man. Jesus is the ONLY one who baptizes with the Holy Ghost... which means JESUS is the one who decided to include speaking in tongues during the outpouring.

People may get angry that some are saying "Hey, ya know that promise that was poured out on the day of Pentecost and is promised to ALL that the Lord calls? Ya know you need that, right?.. because it's the Holy Ghost... and without the Holy Ghost, a person is NONE of his (because he hasn't yet received the SPIRIT of adoption)" That's not a judgmental "You're not good enough" It's a "Hey, I love you and want you to have it too because it's available to ALL that the Lord our God shall call... and His call is unto you...so tarry until you receive it also.".

It's a foolish thing to our natural mind, but we know it's written that he chooses the foolish things to confound the wise. So it shouldn't surprise us. Yet it does.

You can reject it if you like (based on 1900 or any other doctrine) but speaking in tongues is still a sign to the unbelievers that you you can't deny you've been told about and probably witnessed (even if you don't think it's REALLY speaking in tongues) so you won't stand before God with excuse.

You say "I can't find it pre-1900, therefore it didn't exist during that time" but your limited research 100+ years later is no more reliable than Elijah's conclusion that he was the only one left serving God over Baal in Israel. He said there weren't any others... and he was there while it was going on. (1 Kings 19:10&14) And he was a prophet. BTW, do you realize God had to speak to Elijah to get him to understand the truth about how many were still going for God?.. And from what I remember, you don't believe God speaks like that anymore either... so you're kind of in a pickle (so to speak).

I wish you the best, but I also know the bible tells us there will be mockers in the last days who speak big but don't even have the Holy Ghost. And God will not force you (or anyone) to believe. So it's up to you... but only regarding you. The rest of us can still receive the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues, because God is still pouring it out just like he did in the book of Acts. Thank-you Jesus.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

The outpouring of the Holy Ghost has been a divider of the people ever since it's initial outpouring on the day of Pentecost. Haters will hate, mock and seek to stop it, just as the Churchy people did throughout the Book of Acts . But those who will seek the Lord diligently as if what he promised and delivered to the Apostles (and ALL the disciples) on the day of Pentecost is still something he's willing to pour out upon them according to the promise of Acts 2:38-39... these people are still receiving because the promise is to ALL that the Lord our God shall call. It didn't stop at the writing of Acts, and it didn't start in 1900 (no matter what anyone claims)

Baptized by the Holy Ghost is what happens at Salvation

Filled with the Holy Ghose is what happens at Sanctification

It really is simple

The converse conclusion of your teaching is that people who dont speak in toungues never are be able to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
On the other side it is interesting that people who are according your teaching are filled with the Holy Spirit can easily spread false teachings. Sorry this fit not together!

If you think I was teaching that someone FILLED with the Holy Spirit can "easily spread false teachings", you pretty much missed the point entirely as to what being "FILLED with the Holy Spirit" means.

Someone "FILLED, not just indwelt by, the Holy Spirit" has no room in them for false teachings.. FULL and FILLED by definition mean that there isn't room for something else. If they've still got false teachings coming out their mouth, they're not FILLED with the Holy Spirit... They may HAVE the Holy Spirit, but they're not FULL of the Holy Spirit. (They've got other junk in there.)

And in this last part I'm speaking to you as a friend even though you COULD (please don't) think I'm saying it from a better-than-thou attitude. Until you get "speaking in tongues" it is unlikely that you will be able to understand what I'm saying. "The wind bloweth where it listeth and you hear the sound (of what's being said, in this case) but you don't know where it (the teaching) is coming from and you don't know where it's going (what would be next in the teaching). That's why I started the thread by explaining that this stuff will sound weird to those who don't have the Holy Ghost.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Good point.
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'Revivals' often were..criticized & despised.
- Not just..the Pentecostal Revival.
- in Christian History.
Because..it breaks the existing 'pattern/establishment.'

I can give you an example. Today we have millions of charismatic with the Holy Spirit baptised RCC members which are speaking in tongues and at the same time the defend the RCC teachings and claims. According your definition they are filled with the Holy Spirit.
While you telling me that I have not the Holy Spirit, because I dont speak in tongues. If I have not the Holy Spirit then I am also not born again. Ergo i am not a child of God and have no eternal life.
How can I agree with such a teaching?
Which I cant find taught in the word of God?

We're baptized into Christ by the Spirit, at salvation, when we are born again.

• For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13

Then we are baptized in water by man.

• And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Acts 1:4-5

Then we are baptized with the Holy Spirit by Jesus Christ.

• I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”Mark 1:8

These are the 3 distinct baptisms, with the three different “baptizers” shown in scripture.



Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:14-17

• They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Three different baptisms with three different baptizers.


The baptism with the Spirit doesn’t just happen automatically at salvation.






JPT