Alcohol - a world wide phenomena

I guess I mean by tipsy as starting to feel the effects of alcohol. The first thing alcohol affects is judgment. Rather, we should be sober minded.

Some people "feel the effects" after one sip. Does that mean they are "tipsy"?

Is "sober minded" in context actually referring to alcohol? No, it is not. It only appears once in the KJV, in Titus 2:6, and in context, it means "having demonstrated good judgment".

If you want to make a definitive statement regarding alcohol, use definitive terms.

Agreed about Titus 2:6. First thing alcohol affects is judgment. That’s a definitive fact.

It is my understanding that alcohol, like any other drug, affects people differently. Then there's the paradoxical reaction of some.

Yes, alcohol (eventually) affects judgment; no argument there. You still have not defined "tipsy". Do you plan to do so, or shall I conclude that you are just here to promote your pro-abstinence position?

Yes.
No alcohol in in God's ministry.
Allowed without drunkenness or heavy (hard liquor) drink.

And different kinds of alcohol affect the same person differently.

people dont understand that wine is just pressed grapes. You can have non-alcoholic wine
anyone whos worked in a vineyard understand this.

old wine is made of pressed fermented grapes...OLD grapes.
new wine is freshly pressed NEW grapes. It hasnt been fermented.

wine is just liquid made from grapes. to infer its ALWAYS alcoholic is to actually twist the original meaning.

when jesus said to drink wine he wasnt meaning it had to be ALCOHOLIC. He referred to it as fruit of the vine. The wine respresenting blood was in reference to its colour.


'strong drink' was more likely to refer to alcohol content of any kind of drink, not necessarily wine.

as an example unleavened bread is still bread its made of the same things as bread just without the leaven or yeast

leavened bread contains yeast.

both are BREAD.

None of this is correct. New wine is alcoholic wine that has a lower percentage of alcohol. Older wine has higher.

Pressed grapes into juice is not wine.

I have a small grape vine on my property. They are wine grapes. They are very different from the grapes that are sweet and from the store. Wine grapes are usually bitter, with huge seeds and a very thick skin. The juice is awful. They are only suitable for making wine. Ppl like you have no idea what you are talking about.

The clear Biblical mandate missing in the choices is that drunkenness is forbidden. I suppose the Spirit may give permission for one to drink alcohol, but He will not give permission of get drunk (which is SIN).

Tipsy - when the alcohol reaches the brain and begins to affect the thought process, your judgment. Judgment is affected before any physical impairment.

New wine is found in the clusters.

There can be alcohol present while the grapes are still on the vine.

You are welcome to abstain, but you cannot make a biblical case to impose total abstinence on anyone else. It simply isn't possible.

Everything should be measured by the standard of sonship and being led by the Spirit. Drunkenness is when 1) you cannot respond to the Spirit or hear Him and 2) when you cannot be self-controlled. The amount of alcohol required for this level of impairment will be different for each believer.

The question was not about drunkenness by about consumption.

Give strong drink to one who is perishing, and wine to the bitter in soul.
Let him drink and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
Proverbs 31:6-7

The reason the Bible uses...sober....which includes any .....mind altering substance.

WHOA......Are you making room for those in God's service? I refer to specific scripture.