when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.

when a person exchanges the truth for private definitions of words, all their communication becomes confusion, and all their understanding, darkness.



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the apostle John did not invent the Greek language.
the commandment is that we should love ((agapao)) one another.
agape is the noun form of the verb agapao.
no amount of debased rambling on anyone's part changes the truth.

God isn't evil. What I am trying to say is that you don't seem to understand what good and evil are exactly. I don't mean that offensively, please don't go on an ego trip and get offended, we have enough that around the board lately. Please know that I always mean everything I say constructively and with good intentions.

They're subjective based on the context. For example, God said not to kill (Exodus 20:13) but in Deuteronomy 20:1 there are guidelines for going to war; war which involves killing. That's just another example, we can literally go all day with examples I think.

Again, the context matters of the who, the what, the when, and why. This is because God is a judge who weighs matters and not a rigid, inflexible, unfeeling automaton. Maybe this conversation is more about who God is and our seeming inability to understand Him based on human standards and reasoning.

I was not questioning all Of Paul's theology so while I appreciate the reminder of how Paul was used in a good way I don't appreciate the notion that I would not honour that, you still have not replied to the fact that Pauls philosophy suggests God created some people to honour and some people to dishonour, which suggest God created evil. Which we know is not true, because in the beginning all that God created God saw that it was good.

Your believing God created evil are you not ?.

According to the Law of Moses, no one gets saved.

According to the Law of Faith, even Abraham while uncircumcised gets justified by Faith.

Then, HOW are we TRULY SAVED??? BY FAITH, NOT BY OUR “good works” - ONLY BY THE BLOOD AND BODY OF JESUS CHRIST- The One and Only Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. Amen, hallelujah! Praise You Jesus Christ!!

Jesus Christ entered this world as a baby- just like us. Except His Father was God. He is the Firstborn of many brethren.

Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL Righteousness in His human body for us - God was preparing a “holy sinless human body” that would be sacrificed for ALL mankind.

Jesus fulfilled ALL of the Law of Moses in His human body - all His works were recorded in His Body for us….He was fulfilling The Law for us.

On the mount of transfiguration- Jesus Christ was examined by Moses and Elijah - Jesus was being examined by the Law and the Prophets. Jesus Christ had to fulfill all the Law and all that the Prophets had written.

Jesus did both! He passed His examination because He was transfigured- full of glory full of light - NO DARKNESS! Hallelujah!

Just one more “work” for our salvation had to be recorded in His human body for us…..

…the penalty of sin….death…the Father’s Wrath…separation from our Father God….blood of a spotless and without blemish lamb…

When Jesus Christ hung on the cross for all of us and said, “It is finished.” HE DID IT!!!! Hallelujah!!! HE DID IT!!!

We receive His Blood that takes our sin away and we receive His Body that gives us His Righteousness- the Human Fulfillment of the Law.

There is NO MORE WORKS OF SALVATION FOR ANY OF US TO DO EXCEPT…. believe by faith and receive the promise of eternal life…just like Abraham did!

The good works we do now are NOT for salvation but for the Kingdom of God, preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ and for rewards in heaven that become our crowns that we lay at the feet of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Amen and amen.

Paul doesn't really teach that, that has become the understanding of some who misinterpret his old style Greek Koine writings when they got translated into old English.

Firstly, Paul is saying that God predestinated us ALL unto God via Jesus' blood. In other words God foreknew we would all need a savior, thus the words of John in Revelation matches this, Jesus was slain before the foundations of the earth was ever created.

So, predestination is actually a misunderstanding of Paul's teachings.

Secondly, in Romans Paul is trying to teach the Romans that they also can fall just as the Jewish peoples have if they abide NOT IN THE FAITH, but try as the Jews did to serve God via works of the flesh by keeping the Laws which can not save them. (see Gal. 3). So, why is Paul telling the Romans about God choosing whom He will chose? Because as Paul says, that is up to God the Potter what vessel He so chooses, but the mistake that people make is they do not understand this is not about the ELECTION of Salvation, but the Election of Service unto God.

Esau was not HATED that is also a mistranslation, the word actually means LOVED LESS, so God chose Jacob over Esau for SERVICE not predetermined Salvation. God foresaw all events and foreknew Jacob was the one to best fit His plans. I mean DUH, God sees all things right, LOL....He of course chose properly.......because of SERVICE not Election, Esau via FAITH could have still been accepted by God, but not for SERVICE, God chooses whom He will via His own plans !! So, God did not reject Israel, He chose them, but the refused to live Godly, and they chose to submit unto the law over faith. So, God then chose the Gentiles to carry His Gospel unto the whole world. After the Rapture (time of the Gentiles is finished) God will graft Israel back in when they BELIEVE AGAIN, Paul says so in Rom. 11.

So, Romans chapters 9-11 is about Election, not Salvation, Jews could still be saved, Paul was, Stephen was, Mark, Matthew and Peter were, we see Messianic Jews today also. But Israel as a nation was thrown over like Esau was for Jacob for God's own SERVICE PLANS. But WHY? Because of Unbelief AND because eventually Israel would have co-opted Christianity into a more modern form of Judaism if the 70 AD Events had never happened because they loved serving THE LAW more than serving THE FAITH.

So, God foresaw the way to reach the heathen Gentiles was to disciple them via the Disciples, and to then allow them to spread the unvarnished Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is why Paul got angry at the Galatians who were tryin to serve THE LAW instead the FAITH, and he tells them, who has bewitched you that starting out in the faith you are now serving the Flesh (Law)? Then he continues to give them example after example in Gal. 3, and finally he says there is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, not because there are not any females or males any longer, or because there will be no Gentiles nor Jews, just the opposite, he's telling the Gentiles to STOP trying to be like the Jews in order to earn your way to Heaven by keeping the Law !! YOU DON'T HAVE T BE JEW........God doesn't see Jew or Gentile but just the FAITH of both Jews and Gentiles of both MALE & FEMALE !! I amazes me people can read that and think the Church has taken the place of the Jews BUT that there are still males and females, and they can't even understand that Juxtaposition has to be the same in both cases.

The JUXTAPOSITION is FAITH makes us whole, in all mankind, be we Jew, Gentile, Male, Female, Slave or Freeman !!

It really has promoted predestination in the most awful way too, I was getting worried befor my self and even freaked out at one stage , and I really have been in quite a lot of sickening arguments here over this scripture, Has not God created some to honour and some to dishonour. I have even seen members here banned for suggesting what ever happens in your life it was predestination from God because of this scripture, it really has upset me but i am better and stronger for it,

But then this argument is used,, No this means God predestined you to be saved via believing in Jesus. and this is what Paul means, personaly I dont see predestination being described that way in Paul's philosophy, because he was being tormented by Demons, I believe your seeing the unfinished writing of Paul's thoughts he was writing in a diary. Paul was repeating the words of His tormenting demon, it is a demon who would say has not God created people to honour and dishonour. That's how I see it. Because If it was your belief you write here than Paul would have said, Has not God created people to inherit his kingdom only. You can't change what has been written in this case, I'm sorry to say that what was written here was from a tormenting demonic spirit, and many have believed it to mean it was from God.

I wish that where not true but when you see how many strange beliefs have come from what was written then that is the work of a demonic, spirit having success.

Paul did preach the gospel too, and yes Paul did many good works for God, but that was the reason he was being tormented for by demons because he was saved and because he loves God, I don't believe he was tormented by a demonic spirit because he thought God had sent, it. No I think that was another thought he had. And a unfinished writing.

I'm not becoming offended by you, some people I don't mind having a disagreement with, and your one of them 😂👍, but we simply can not compare acts of killing in a war to justify why God may permit evil to oppress, when the war in the Bible was against evil warlords getting people to offer new born babies as a sacrifice.
It was a case of kill or be killed in those wars and no choice but to fight them. So should we use the same philosophy and say God has no choice but to permit evil ?.

My brother, we have all power over Demons, the Apostle Paul was not tormented by punk Demons. That's a defeatist understanding. The honor and dishonor is about the ELECTION of SERVICE not Salvation. God honored Paul but not Nicodemus, now Nicodemus might have eventually cone unto the Faith for all e know, other men did, but Gid only honored 12 men as his disciples. That doesn't mean he did not call other men to salvation.

Predestination is unto Salvation. Anyone who reads it carefully can see this. Paul was not bothered by a punk Satan.

Okay, what it sounds like you're saying is that we shall not kill until that isn't practical anymore and our very survival depends on killing or being killed? I can agree with that. You didn't really disagree with anything I said. I maintain that morals (and sometimes sin) are subjective depending on the circumstances. That's obviously Biblical.

we have a choice these days in Jesus you can live by the sword and die by the sword. But does that mean you should.

People had no choice in them days to kill or be killed. The evil was so great. You could have still had a choice and stood there dropped your guard and say ok kill me, because I refuse to kill. But the human mind of instinct of survival for fighting to stay alive, so you could look after your family would of cause be an underlying factor in you defending your life, But because Jesus said he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword, it is not an act of pre destination is it. And it also means You can still be with Jesus if you lived by the sword in those days.

Jesus did not predestine Peter he asked him if he would come with him,

Honestly I think we just understand God completely differently. You talk about dying by the sword as if it is a problem. Jesus never said that dying by a sword is a problem, He actually seems to be saying the opposite.

Luke 22:36
36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Matthew 10:34
34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.



Not really. I mean, it depends where you live. I not even 40 years old yet and I've had my life threatened at gunpoint before. Whether you fight or drop your guard is really irrelevant because if someone wants to kill there isn't anything you can do to control their choices. The best defense is just controlling the risks we take proactively. Don't walk into a war zone where the likelihood is being killed is higher. That makes perfect sense.

Eternal security is straight down the line biblical doctrine. Calling OSAS bad doctrine to be possibly banned is basically attacking the diety of Christ imo.

no not at all, I am not saying that living by the sword was a problem, no I'm saying Jesus did not preach predestination. Re read my last post.

"Enduring to the end" in order to be saved is not a reference to eternal life. It is to do with the salvation of the soul. Many will be like the sinner in Corinth. He was going to heaven. His sin did not rob him of eternal life. It did rob him of fellowship with the church. He lost his peace and joy. He was out of God's will for all the time he remained in sin and that is punishment in itself. He repented and was restored. At no time was he going to hell, in spite of his condition. Those who refuse to give up their own ways suffer much loss and are useless in God's kingdom. Those who consecrate themselves to God will suffer much in this life, but also be greatly rewarded in this and the next life. Eternal life is eternal. The new, born again spirit is born of God. What can kill something born (not created) of God? Will God kill what is His own?

The natural life in the soul is created by God, so was man's spirit in the beginning. When Adam rebelled, he died spiritually. The natural life was only intended to be temporary. It permitted Adam to exist as a human until such time as he made a decision, literally a life or death choice. We know the awful choice Adam made.

God's intent is that we should lose

Not according to the Bible. In the book of revelation, he is the "Serpent of Old". Satan means adversary. And that is is Satan's nature. He is not an idea. Ideas do not roam around like a roaring Lion to devour the unwary. Satan was not always God's adversary, but he made himself to be that.(1 Peter 5:8) And Satan is specifically called the devil twice in the book of Revelation.

If you do not believe the Bible to be God's word, then you can come up with any theory you life. Don't be surprised if Christians disagree with you.

I kind of feel sorry for those who only know one way to spell a word.

we really need to rebuke Satan here, I could not agree with you anymore, Your absolutely correct, That Satan is bad theology altogether, there is quite a few places in our Bible where you see Satan, you also see a false representation of God, and I believe strongly for that reason he is giving the title The false accuser of God's children, a title never to be removed, because this is his character, he's never going to change, he crossed the line he went evil and decided to use evil to gain power, never to come back again, also throughout the Bible we see multiple personalities, that Satan takes up and multiple false identities he appears as, and many other places we see a double minded mentality, we also see Satan's character, in other places in the Bible we see Satan taking up more than one character at the same time and more one than personality, at the same time, playing the good angel and the bad angel in one sentence, his character being mind manipulation of the person who's thoughts are on the receiving end of those thought, his character also being one to deceive always looking to get away with deceiving somebody or convert somebody into a false precept or belief of God or tempting somebody,

But yet it seems none of this is taking into account when people believe that God can send Satan to test somebody,

My belief of job 1 is there is only one truth for me, and that is God was revealing Satan as a false accuser and a dirty tempter, and not revealing Satan as a person given a job to test people to see if they will sin. I believe also Satan was defeated in Job 1, and it's the same with Jesus, the holy spirit was revealing Satan as a dirty tempter and tester, when Jesus was led up of the spirit to meet the dirty tempter,

But all said and done we should also remember that we should not hold a grudge against this dirty tempter and just rebuke his authority with strength and peace in are heart, and just accept his behaviour as a crazy person, but also we don't have to forgive Satan or sombody left else sin against somebody else, but certainly we should not let a crazy individual of a mad man, make us become angry and hold a grudge,.

Theres also a doctrin going around that says if you can't forgive Satan God will not forgive you,. And satan is a test to see if you can or can't forgive,,. But I say to that if I haven't forgiven someone yet it does not mean I hold a grudge it's means I have patience in coming to the decision, that forgiveness comes when your ready. And not when it's pushed.

Ahh okay I understand. I think some things are pre-destined aren't they? That doesn't mean everything needs to be pre-destined. I mean, we can find Biblical evidence for predestination. Let's not ignore those rarely-quoted predestination verses because they are so inconvenient. They are there and no one has quoted any yet. 🤭

When the heart is empty, the devil comes to roost. It is a squatter. Fill your heart and mind with the Spirit of God, there is no room for him. God does not permit evil, He just leaves the building.

I think Job was correctly translated but incorrectly interpreted. God asked "You have been considering Job, haven't you?" not "Consider Job, go ahead?" God did not proactively permit Job to be an object of misery. God did not intervene with the devil as it is Job's job. ;-)

Spirits are derived from heaven and heaven should be respected. God will judge while we must rebuke those with such a spirit. Those that have this spirit may one day embrace the Spirit of God. It would be awkward with the one you have castigated in the past.

your logic can't grasp my logic

You mean not according to you and your ilk.
Serpent of Old - was he not slaved to the ground at Eden? How is he walking about at various points in history.
According to you he is the adversary and it is natural? Where is this written that you should know his nature?
Postmodernism, cultural marxism, free love, scientology, calvinism. Are they ideas or persons?
Ideas consume everything that permits it. Your lukewarm inchoate disposition blinds you, you should be wary. The lion like their meat slow.
God does not have adversaries, we do.
"And Satan is specifically called the devil twice in the book of Revelation." So ? I have a brother Daryl and my other brother Daryl.

I am not the one with OSAS or that God consorts with demons. The words of you and your ilk are self-serving and of no importance. Citing political correctness as a rebuke is feeble and indicative of your priorities. Remember the lion likes them slow.