Can we pray amiss?

And forgive us our trespasses,

And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.

Here is the real Question ------Is the Lord's Prayer for today for the Born Again Person ?????-----

I say ----So while this Prayer is Perfect in every way -----we need to discern what we are asking -------and now we DO NOT Pray to the Father --we Pray to Jesus who takes our request to the Father for us -----

Many believe that God hears all Peoples prayers ----and that is not what Scripture says ------Sin and iniquity block God from hearing the prayers of the unbeliever -----God hears the prayers of the righteous ---

I say ----Here is the thing ---God already knows your heart when you are going to pray and He also knows what you are about to pray -----

IF God does not hear a sinners prayer, how did Jesus hear the prayer of the thief on the Cross? OR, your prayer when you prayed for Jesus to become Lord of your life?

Here is the real Question ------Is the Lord's Prayer for today for the Born Again Person ?????------

Jesus was using it as a teaching tool for His Disciples who ask Jesus how they should Pray -------before His death and resurrection -----

Some of what is for the asking in this Prayer is already DONE for Believers ----by asking for something that Jesus already accomplished for us is like saying ------you don't believe in what Jesus did accomplish on the Cross ----so you have to keep asking ------

For example -----



All True Believers are already forgiven for their Trespasses ------so why would we be asking for this again -----





This to has already been accomplished ----Jesus defeated Satan on the Cross so now we have to submit to god and the devil will flee ------Satan has no legal hold on True Believers -----so why would we be asking for God to deliver us from evil when He has already --------we ourselves have to keep our gate closed to not allow Satan in -----

I say ----So while this Prayer is Perfect in every way -----we need to discern what we are asking -------and now we DO NOT Pray to the Father --we Pray to Jesus who takes our request to the Father for us -----

So asking amiss is in James ----you ask with the wrong MOTIVE and in an unrighteous manner ------there is quite a few Scriptures on how to get answered prayer ------you have to Pray God's Will not our will ----you have to forgive others who have wronged you ---you have to believe that you have received your answer right away as soon as you pray it -------all these are in scripture ------you can look them up ==

James 4:3

Amplified Bible

3 You ask [God for something] and do not receive it, because you ask [a]with wrong motives [out of selfishness or with an unrighteous agenda], so that [when you get what you want] you may spend it on your [hedonistic] desires.

Also God warns against repetitive Prayers -----like saying the Lord's Prayer every Sunday at Church ---or praying on prayer beads ---etc

Matthew 6:7
AMPC
And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking.

I say ----Here is the thing ---God already knows your heart when you are going to pray and He also knows what you are about to pray -----

Many believe that God hears all Peoples prayers ----and that is not what Scripture says ------Sin and iniquity block God from hearing the prayers of the unbeliever -----God hears the prayers of the righteous ---


Isaiah 59 AMP
Separation from God
59 Behold, the Lord’s hand is not so short
That it cannot save,
Nor His ear so [a]impaired
That it cannot hear.
2
But your wickedness has separated you from your God,
And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.

Here is the real Question ------Is the Lord's Prayer for today for the Born Again Person ?????------ .

We pray to God in the Name of Jesus

IF God does not hear a sinners prayer, how did Jesus hear the prayer of the thief on the Cross? OR, your prayer when you prayed for Jesus to become Lord of your life?

Yes. BUT this does not excuse our NOT praying. Praying is how we communicate with God, and how He communicates with us. Prayer is a cornerstone of a Christians life walk with Jesus...................

You are way off on your assessment, sorry

Also God warns against repetitive Prayers -----like saying the Lord's Prayer every Sunday at Church ---or praying on prayer beads ---etc

Matthew 6:7
AMPC
And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking.

I say ----Here is the thing ---God already knows your heart when you are going to pray and He also knows what you are about to pray -----

Many believe that God hears all Peoples prayers ----and that is not what Scripture says ------Sin and iniquity block God from hearing the prayers of the unbeliever -----God hears the prayers of the righteous ---

Jesus gave us great instruction on how to pray, and there are specifics we should adhere to, when we pray. .

what other things that Jesus taught are to be ignored?

You are completely wrong in saying that God changed his mind about how we are to pray.

God is an eternal God who is absolutely dependable to stay the same holy Father God was the day we were created. God spoke to man in stone through the flesh for the first about 4,000 years and then God spoke to man through Christ in the spirit direct to the heart but the message is the same.

Christ in the spirit direct to the heart but the message is the same.

So what your saying is God Sent His ONLY SON To BE Flogged --Beaten --Punched ---Bruised ---and to Shedding His Blood for Nothing ---and be unrecognizable and then be hung on a stake and all All remains the same -----even how we are to pray -----WOW I suggest you read the Scripture more -----


Hebrews 8 NIV

New International Version
The High Priest of a New Covenant

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said[b]:

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”[c]
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

I say -----Good luck staying with the law --and God remaining under the Old Covenant ------

Who said ignored ---I say that what Jesus accomplished on the Cross is already in Place for the Born Again person -------there is no need to keep asking God for something that He sent His Only Son to accomplish for us --------Healing is already in place for us ------so to pray for God to heal you is fruitless as it is alread done ---we have to believe that our healing is in place -------


For unbelievers they are still under the law and are subject to the Curse of the Law -so for unbelievers ----their sin has not been forgiven -therefore they remain away from God ------

Scripture tells us we can in James 4: 3: All of you ask, and receive not, because all of you ask amiss, that all of you may consume it upon your lusts.

We are given many instructions about what God wants to talk with us about in scripture. The Lord’s prayer says to address it to God our Father. It stresses that all must be wthin God’s will, or our talk must be scripture based. God reacts to all that is righteous in a loving way, but in all that is sin with blazing anger.

We are to ask for our daily bread, knowing God is spirit and God’s bread is spiritual bread as well as what feeds our body. Next we ask for forgiveness of our sin as we forgive others. If we have a grudge we insist on holding onto, God can’t forgive us as we don’t forgive.

We have asked God for his kingdom to rule on this earth rather than the world’s kingdom. The world is operated by demons, Christ rules His kingdom We ask that the world not lead us to evil now, but God lead us away from temptation.

Then we give all our praise and love to God.

God cannot live with the evil that is sin, for God hates evil. When the world leads our prayers, God does not hear those prayers with love.

This is praying as God instructs, and not praying amiss.

Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy Name,
thy kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those
who trespass against us.

And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.

For thine is the kingdom,
and the power, and the glory,
for ever and ever. Amen.

It appears in a James 4:1-3 they were asking for things with the wrong intentions and asking for the wrong things. They probably weren’t just asking for food, clothing, and shelter because everyone needs those things.

I would guess they were coveting each other’s property and spouses and willing to quarrel, fight, and murder each other over them. They seem to have eventually turned to prayer asking God to take out their opposition in order to acquire their property/resources.

That's pretty speculative, honestly. Literally a worst case scenario. Does it even make sense that such people would be open to the reproof of an apostolic epistle?