The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

Here you go again with your falsehoods.

Your 1st falsehood is that "Jesus is not speaking to His Bride/His Elect/His Church in Matt ch24'

Your 2nd falsehood you make is 2 Thess ch2 "the falling away is the rapture."

Your 3rd falsehood you make is "the Church is not in Revelation chapters 6 - 18".

All lies from a hear that worships the big laodecian lie of pre-trib rapture.

3 Strikes your OUT........

My bad 3rd Century:



the Codex Sinaiticus

The oldest extant Greek codex, said to date from the 3rd century, is the Codex Sinaiticus,

Sorry but your date is still off by about 150 years. Codex Sinaiticus (known by the Hebrew letter Aleph) is dated from the middle of the fourth century, and about the same age as Codex Vaticanus (B). They may even be related since both of them omit Mark 16:9-16, but Vaticanus actually leaves a blank space where that passage belonged! These are the only two manuscripts with this major omission. And both these MSS form the basis of the critical text of Westcott & Hort (which continues to this day) and forms the basis of all corrupt modern English bibles.

But if you sincerely believe that it is a reliable manuscript, you have been very seriously deceived. Frederick Henry Ambrose Scrivener -- the leading textual scholar of the 19th century -- did a FULL COLLATION of Codex Sinaiticus. John William Burgon -- another outstanding textual scholar from the 19th century -- carefully compared it to the Received Text. And what was their verdict? IT IS ONE OF THE MOST CORRUPT MANUSCRIPTS IN EXISTENCE.

Tischendorf (who "discovered" this manuscript in a wastebasket) counted 14, 800 corrections in it. Scrivener said "The Codex is covered with alterations of an obviously correctional character—brought in by at least ten different revisers, some of them systematically spread over every page, others occasional, or limited to separate portions of the manuscript, many of these being contemporaneous with the first writer, but for the greater part belonging to the sixth or seventh century."

So if you want the truth about this seriously corrupted and mutilated manuscript, read Scrivener's comments, as well as Burgon's in The Revision Revised. You would be wise to dump Sinaiticus in the trash can.

It's still better than the KJV which uses mythical creatures to describe the Hebrew Word for Loftiness as Unicorn and confirmed they did not fully understood Koine Greek so did their best translation through Classical Greek, which the 2 are as opposite from night and day.

Good questions there Freegrace.

Yes we know the `judgment` seat of Christ how it is different from judgment at the Great White Throne. Yes as you rightly say, rewards or loss of those things done under the power of the Holy Spirit and not for self aggrandizement. Where as the great White Throne judgment is for what people have done according to their conscience - the motive of their works. (Rev. 20: 13)

Now there is only ONE TYPE of resurrection for a believer - to life, however the timing and the inheritances are different. To lob everyone into one time slot and for one purpose is not what God`s eternal purpose through Christ is all about.

The purpose of God through Christ for the Body necessitates us being transferred from earth to Christ`s own throne before the trib, for we are the court that will pass judgment upon the world system and fallen angels. (rev. 3: 21, 1 Cor. 6: 2 & 3) Heavenly rule purpose.

Then the martyred believers in the trib, that were looking for Christ the Messiah`s rule through Israel, will be of that purpose - earthly rule purpose.

Remember that the Lord made all the realms in God`s great kingdom and all rebellious rule in each realm is being brought under Christ. And He will establish His rulership in each of those realms. (1 Cor. 15: 25, Col. 1: 16)

Thank you.

Jesus made some very interesting comments when He compared the residents of Sodom and Gomorrha to residents of cities during His life on earth; how it will be MORE TOLERABLE for S & G than the current cities in Israel. That must have really shocked those self righteous Pharisees, to be compared with the lowlifes of S & G.

I believe that Jesus was teaching that life in the LoF will be different for people. iow, some will have it "more tolerable" than others, while others will have it "less tolerable" than others. All based on their deeds, which is what will be evaluated and judged at the GWT judgment.

I can't help but believe that there will be only ONE resurrection of the saved, because the Bible only speaks of a resurrection in the singular.

Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14, Acts 24:15, 1 Cor 15:23.

It makes more sense to understand that all this WILL occur in the Millennial reign of Christ. Glorified believers WILL co-reign with Christ and pass judgment on the direction of King Jesus. The problem with a pretrib rapture and trip to heaven is that there are NO verses that show this at all. And the Bible teaches a single resurrection for the saved and a single resurrection for the unsaved.

And in that single resurrection of the saved, that will include all the living believers, who will be "gathered up" or raptured.

Rev 20:4,5 call the resurrection of the Tribulation martyrs the FIRST one. That proves that the single resurrection of all believers will occur at the Second Advent.

And 2 Thess 2:1 actually says that as well. Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

Morphological GNT vs Textus Receptus

Time to start counting manuscripts?

Anyway......tough question. I do favor the KJV......but I also shop around and I am definitely not KJV only. Textual criticism is above my pay grade.

Jerome (the person that wrote the Latin Vulgate), born in 347, commenting on the "Johannine comma" of 1John 5:7-8, complains that unscrupulous EARLIER heretics edited out the longer version! These were probably apostate Arians. The point is that errors were creeping into manuscripts way, way back.

So yes being the "earliest manuscripts" by no means make them the most accurate or most valid!

I'm slowly (very very slowly lol) learning about textual criticism.....and it's an extremely fascinating and extremely difficult topic.

BTW........the Latin Vulgate has its problems yes, but for someone to say that it's only fit for the trashcan is absolute nonsense.

"who will make up the "nations" that Jesus will rule? It is obviously the unbelievers who survive the Tribulation."

I don't think so. In fact Ezekiel 20:37 makes clear that not even rebellious Israelites are going to survive the judgments of the Second Coming.

There is also the sheep and goats judgment to consider.

Rebellious enemy gentiles (aka unbelievers) will not survive the judgments of the Second Coming IMO.

I was not talking about the Latin Vulgate, but Codex Sinaiticus (Aleph), which was only discovered in the 19th century. So there is some confusion there.

Yes I'm very well aware that lol. I'm just making a general statement. And yes I agree with you.....that codex has some very serious issues.

But ultimately I'm not really qualified to give anyone any definitive advice on the matter. Just some off hand opinions.

Here is the source material. Highly recommended. Everyone should read this.....

https://www.bereanpatriot.com/the-johannine-comma-of-1-john-57-8-added-or-removed/

More GREAT info on Textual Criticism....fantastic introductory study material. Perfect for yours truly lol.

https://www.bereanpatriot.com/major...ext-vs-textus-receptus-textual-criticism-101/

It would be best to forget Jerome.
He placed the Order of the New Testament INCORRECTLY and changed the number of the Books creating MORE to the number of Man [66]

The Inspired Order of the Bible - Bellevue University's ...
http://jpatton.bellevue.edu › inspired
Of a truth once a tradition becomes established, it is difficult to change. Yet Jerome knew better. He had a rationale, a wrong rationale, for making these ...


In A.D. 391 Jerome said the following, “As, then, there are twenty-two elementary characters by means of which we write in Hebrew … so we reckon twenty-two books, by which, as by the alphabet of the doctrine of God, a righteous man is instructed…” 1 Yes, Jerome understood that the Hebrew Old Testament contained 22 books coinciding with the 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet, not 39. And to this day the Jewish translations contain 22 Old Testament books. The books and arrangement or order of the books has never been lost. Even Josephus, in Book 1, Section 8 of his famous work, Antiquities of the Jews, recognized “only 22 books.”


Concerning the New Testament, E.W. Bullinger in his Companion Bible made this bold statement: “Our English Bibles follow the order as given in the Latin Vulgate. This order, therefore, depends on the arbitrary judgment of one man, Jerome. All theories based on this order rest on human authority, and are thus without any true foundation.” 2 Dr. Bullinger has hit the nail on the head!

The scholar, now deceased, who has done the most research, in the author’s assessment, on the issue of Bible book order, is Earnest Martin. His 1994 book entitled, Restoring the Original Bible, is the most systemic, documented, referenced and scholarly work on the Inspired Order of the Bible. It’s available for $24 from his Web site: http://www.askelm.com.

The Order should be: 49 Inspired Books, not 66 [the number of Man]

Table 1
Inspired Order of the Old Testament:



Table 2
Inspired Order of the New Testament:

Christ Himself gives us the Correct Order the Old Testament should follow in Luke 24:44
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

It should read like the Tanakh:
Law
Prophets
Psalms/Writings

But ROMAN Catholic Jerome flip flopped Law and Psalms

So, anyone thinking the Latin Vulgate and the English Bibles are legit According to God, are being FOOLED!

Should be 49 Inspired Books and the Order should be Law/Prophets/Psalms-Writings + New Testament is out of Order as well!

This is how and why I know you have NO CLUE when you claim Pre-Trib Rapture!!

flip flopped Prophets and Psalms*

How TERRIBLE is it that Jerome did not even Follow Jesus' Own Correct Order in Luke 24:44?

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Law
Prophets
Psalms/Writings

To purposefully not follow God's Order is Rebellion, the same as Witchcraft!

Plus, he admits there's only 22 O.T. Books and then creates 39 Books!

The man is no Saint, he is a DEMON Possessed Maniac!