TONGUES false teaching.

When Jesus told the pharisees that they should believe His works, He was talking about the obvious miracles He was performing, that is, lame people healed, blind people seeing, deaf people hearing, dead people coming to life. That's a vast difference from what you practice day to day. If what you had was miraculous, it would be a very easy thing to demonstrate. But what I get is that you are afraid that your fig leaves will show that you're really naked in that respect.

It has been proven beyond doubt (for those with an open mind and open heart to the truth) that modern tongues (for the most part) is not miraculous, anyone can do it, it has no language structure, and insufficient vocabulary to convey any intelligible message. So those doing it are deceived, and are taking the Lord's name in vain when they claim it's from God (albeit they are ignorant of that fact).

So if you really want to prove me wrong, then do as I ask, because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. It's a simple request, although it will take some time and effort. If you love your fellow Christians who need to be corrected, then you'll do whatever it takes. On the other hand, if you love only yourself, you'll continue to be hostile and slanderous.

I'm not asking you to prove you are the Christ, I already know you're not. So comparing what you do to the works of Christ and implying that I should believe you on account of the works you do is nonsense. It's ludicrous because the works you are doing (in this forum) is so far from Christlike, most people with any knowledge and spiritual maturity are shaking their heads. A Christlike work would be to repent from your hostility, and submit to doing what will obviously solve the problem of disunity among believers.

Everyone knows what a witch doctor is and what he does, so stop using exaggerative and slanderous language. Jesus said that out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, and what you're showing in your words is evil, not good. You might think it's good, and you might think you have the Spirit of God, but I'm saying that what you're showing is a different spirit. The apostle Paul wrote that controversies are inevitable, to show who is approved of God and who is not. If you don't start acting like you're approved of God, no one is going to listen to anything you say.

So, as I spoke before, God does heal today, and some of those healings are well documented. But I've yet to see any so-called 'tongues' well documented. I'm asking people who have the gift to well document it, so that it's a clear testimony that God is in it. So far, everyone who has documented it has proven the opposite.

Can you understand that the other side (your side) needs an apologetic argument? It might be settled for you, but it's not for millions of Christians. If you want people to believe that what you do is of God, then shouldn't you make that effort? But if not, then why are you posting in this forum, except just to argue in an endless debate, which the apostle Paul warned Timothy about?

If you continue in the same vein that you're going, the only reasonable conclusion anyone can make is that you fear exposure. Why don't you prove me wrong in this matter, and do what I ask?

I see not one Biblical reference.

From the looks of it it just seem like a bunch of chatters mad with each others views which is a bit pathetic

still waiting for you to give your understanding on Acts 1:8

This is Christian chat, not biblical chat hun

When I get around to reading it I will. I'm not in a rush dear.

For clear understanding is not only chapter 12. the more excellent way turns in chapter 13. Love!
The 1. Cor. Shows that speaking in tongues was used as i find it today. Overpushed.
Paul had to correct the corinthians and there view about speaking in tongues.
In the last days i read 1. Cor 12-14.
And it fitts not with the today teaching of special those which emphesize the baptism with the Holy Spirit and the gift of speaking in tongues. Take for example the role of the woman in such churches. What Paul wrote in 1. Cor. 14, 33ff. ? Compare it with which role woman have in their churches.
(I know many will not agree with me)

Also it is not important how much someone is reading the bible or certain verses. It is the Holy Spirit who reveals the scripture to someone.

I just don't see your logic on how you jump from what I said to your questions. You are obviously making assumptions that don't exist in my posts. Did you read my original post here: https://christianchat.com/threads/tongues-false-teaching.196454/post-4737227
Can you see that I'm trying to get people to be a part of the solution, not the problem?

Documenting miraculous acts can be very uplifting and edifying. But merely claiming something is miraculous doesn't make it so. I'm a realist, which means I don't blindly accept what any person says, especially since I discovered I was deceived when I did blindly accept it. Fool me once...

There has been much acknowledgement among Charismatics that there is a false tongues, and I assert that it is much more prominent than people care to admit. Do you agree there has to be a major correction among the churches concerning this issue?

I just don't see your logic on how you jump from what I said to your questions. You are obviously making assumptions that don't exist in my posts. Did you read my original post here: https://christianchat.com/threads/tongues-false-teaching.196454/post-4737227
Can you see that I'm trying to get people to be a part of the solution, not the problem?

Documenting miraculous acts can be very uplifting and edifying. But merely claiming something is miraculous doesn't make it so. I'm a realist, which means I don't blindly accept what any person says, especially since I discovered I was deceived when I did blindly accept it. Fool me once...

There has been much acknowledgement among Charismatics that there is a false tongues, and I assert that it is much more prominent than people care to admit. Do you agree there has to be a major correction among the churches concerning this issue?

You said much of thing here but you opinion and not one text used to prove the gifts are not for today.

You have smug comments and profaning with such things like

"If what you had was miraculous, it would be a very easy thing to demonstrate. But what I get is that you are afraid that your fig leaves will show that you're really naked in that respect."


Nothing you have provided has proven anything beyond reasonable doubt LOL.

You are your Rocket scientist and linguist and secular names like Modern tongues created by those of secular humanism who rely on their own human intellect and use hostility in their comments as you are.

Just like a Pharisees as many of those like you like to do ask for proof. You insult and try to suggest one is saying they are Christ? Name call with your immaturity.

What is the reason for signs and wonders after Jesus ascended? Can you answer that from the word of God? IF you can, I would be very impressed please use the scriptures found in the Book of Acts.

Nothing you have provided has proven anything beyond reasonable doubt LOL.

I'm sure you can read. Christian chat has many sub-group forums. This one is named Bible Discussion forum. Each forum allows topics to be talked about

this one is called

TONGUES false teaching.
started by Majors

The main issue at hand is not whether some abuse their place within the assembly, such as speaking disorderly = we agree and there is no debate.

Love is te Greatest = No matter what, Lo

The main issue is whether God's View from Heaven to His Body for His Gift of Tongues is pleasing to God and for us Today.

So, can you please look at this Scripture again and give a YES or NO reason based on all of 1 Corinthians.


i also am a realist like you = agree.

Improper use/abuse of speaking in tongues is covered in 1 Corinthians = agree.

The questions are


i also am a realist like you and do not accept peoples opinions or statements until i research myself.
This is why we must completely trust what God has said to us from His word without adding to it or taking away from it.
God addresses and corrects the misuse of tongues in 1 Corinthians, so we are protected from error = agree.

In light of Scripture, how do we answer these questions?
A.) God heals today only when they are documented?
B.) Tongues are for today only if they can be documented?

YES or NO to A & B

no problem. I can think I will just place you on ignore that way I don't offend you. You seem trollish.

The miracles in the New Testament were for attesting the apostles' message - Heb. 2:4.
The edification of the body (1 Cor. 14:26) is done through the various gifts of the Spirit. But in regard to tongues (which means languages unknown to listeners), Paul clearly stated that it was not to be used unless there was interpretation (which means translation).

Just because I didn't give references doesn't mean that my comments didn't have basis in scripture. Perhaps you didn't recognize it because of your unfamiliarity with scripture. Just because you know a few verses that you use to support your opinion doesn't make your opinion Biblical.


The burden of proof is on you to provide what it takes to show that your claim to the miraculous is valid. You're the one who claims to have the miraculous gift. Prove it. Otherwise, it's just a Big Fish story.

You never answer why signs happened in the book of Acts, did you? Your insults are most taxing. Please try to be an adult and answer my qestion. Acts 1:8 is the foundational text can you provide more. thank you.

For clear understanding is not only chapter 12. the more excellent way turns in chapter 13. Love!
The 1. Cor. Shows that speaking in tongues was used as i find it today. Overpushed.
Paul had to correct the corinthians and there view about speaking in tongues.
In the last days i read 1. Cor 12-14.
And it fitts not with the today teaching of special those which emphesize the baptism with the Holy Spirit and the gift of speaking in tongues. Take for example the role of the woman in such churches. What Paul wrote in 1. Cor. 14, 33ff. ? Compare it with which role woman have in their churches.
(I know many will not agree with me)

Also it is not important how much someone is reading the bible or certain verses. It is the Holy Spirit who reveals the scripture to someone.

they even said Jesus was healed by the power of the devil. You need to read the word of God guy.

I see not one Biblical reference.

The main issue at hand is not whether some abuse their place within the assembly, such as speaking disorderly = we agree and there is no debate.

Love is te Greatest = No matter what, Lo

The main issue is whether God's View from Heaven to His Body for His Gift of Tongues is pleasing to God and for us Today.

So, can you please look at this Scripture again and give a YES or NO reason based on all of 1 Corinthians.


i also am a realist like you = agree.

Improper use/abuse of speaking in tongues is covered in 1 Corinthians = agree.

The questions are


i also am a realist like you and do not accept peoples opinions or statements until i research myself.
This is why we must completely trust what God has said to us from His word without adding to it or taking away from it.
God addresses and corrects the misuse of tongues in 1 Corinthians, so we are protected from error = agree.

In light of Scripture, how do we answer these questions?
A.) God heals today only when they are documented?
B.) Tongues are for today only if they can be documented?

YES or NO to A & B

Your questions are intellectually dishonest, because the answer is obviously "no," and yet you keep asking them. They are also irrelevant, because they don't address my agenda, which I clearly stated. I again ask you, did you read my original post here:
https://christianchat.com/threads/tongues-false-teaching.196454/post-4737227
?

No one is disputing that Love is the Greatest = for God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son = AGREE

1 Corinthians is God's love for us in His Body by exposing division in the Body and improper attitudes.

God corrects the misuse/abuse of speaking out of order in the Assembly, including speaking in tongues without interpretation.

So let's get back to the main point God wants everyone to know = the Gifts of the Holy Spirit for His Body/His Bride/His Church.

According to what is written in 1 Corinthians, can you find any commandment that the Gift of Speaking in Tongues:
A.) Is not from God?
B.) Has been withdrawn by God?