TONGUES false teaching.
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The main issue at hand is not whether some abuse their place within the assembly, such as speaking disorderly = we agree and there is no debate.
Love is te Greatest = No matter what, Lo
The main issue is whether God's View from Heaven to His Body for His Gift of Tongues is pleasing to God and for us Today.
So, can you please look at this Scripture again and give a YES or NO reason based on all of 1 Corinthians.
i also am a realist like you = agree.
Improper use/abuse of speaking in tongues is covered in 1 Corinthians = agree.
The questions are
i also am a realist like you and do not accept peoples opinions or statements until i research myself.
This is why we must completely trust what God has said to us from His word without adding to it or taking away from it.
God addresses and corrects the misuse of tongues in 1 Corinthians, so we are protected from error = agree.
In light of Scripture, how do we answer these questions?
A.) God heals today only when they are documented?
B.) Tongues are for today only if they can be documented?
YES or NO to A & B
Love is te Greatest = No matter what, Lo
The main issue is whether God's View from Heaven to His Body for His Gift of Tongues is pleasing to God and for us Today.
So, can you please look at this Scripture again and give a YES or NO reason based on all of 1 Corinthians.
i also am a realist like you = agree.
Improper use/abuse of speaking in tongues is covered in 1 Corinthians = agree.
The questions are
i also am a realist like you and do not accept peoples opinions or statements until i research myself.
This is why we must completely trust what God has said to us from His word without adding to it or taking away from it.
God addresses and corrects the misuse of tongues in 1 Corinthians, so we are protected from error = agree.
In light of Scripture, how do we answer these questions?
A.) God heals today only when they are documented?
B.) Tongues are for today only if they can be documented?
YES or NO to A & B
The miracles in the New Testament were for attesting the apostles' message - Heb. 2:4.
The edification of the body (1 Cor. 14:26) is done through the various gifts of the Spirit. But in regard to tongues (which means languages unknown to listeners), Paul clearly stated that it was not to be used unless there was interpretation (which means translation).
Just because I didn't give references doesn't mean that my comments didn't have basis in scripture. Perhaps you didn't recognize it because of your unfamiliarity with scripture. Just because you know a few verses that you use to support your opinion doesn't make your opinion Biblical.
The burden of proof is on you to provide what it takes to show that your claim to the miraculous is valid. You're the one who claims to have the miraculous gift. Prove it. Otherwise, it's just a Big Fish story.
The edification of the body (1 Cor. 14:26) is done through the various gifts of the Spirit. But in regard to tongues (which means languages unknown to listeners), Paul clearly stated that it was not to be used unless there was interpretation (which means translation).
Just because I didn't give references doesn't mean that my comments didn't have basis in scripture. Perhaps you didn't recognize it because of your unfamiliarity with scripture. Just because you know a few verses that you use to support your opinion doesn't make your opinion Biblical.
The burden of proof is on you to provide what it takes to show that your claim to the miraculous is valid. You're the one who claims to have the miraculous gift. Prove it. Otherwise, it's just a Big Fish story.
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No one is disputing that Love is the Greatest = for God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son = AGREE
1 Corinthians is God's love for us in His Body by exposing division in the Body and improper attitudes.
God corrects the misuse/abuse of speaking out of order in the Assembly, including speaking in tongues without interpretation.
So let's get back to the main point God wants everyone to know = the Gifts of the Holy Spirit for His Body/His Bride/His Church.
According to what is written in 1 Corinthians, can you find any commandment that the Gift of Speaking in Tongues:
A.) Is not from God?
B.) Has been withdrawn by God?
1 Corinthians is God's love for us in His Body by exposing division in the Body and improper attitudes.
God corrects the misuse/abuse of speaking out of order in the Assembly, including speaking in tongues without interpretation.
So let's get back to the main point God wants everyone to know = the Gifts of the Holy Spirit for His Body/His Bride/His Church.
According to what is written in 1 Corinthians, can you find any commandment that the Gift of Speaking in Tongues:
A.) Is not from God?
B.) Has been withdrawn by God?
Your questions are intellectually dishonest, because the answer is obviously "no," and yet you keep asking them. They are also irrelevant, because they don't address my agenda, which I clearly stated. I again ask you, did you read my original post here:
https://christianchat.com/threads/tongues-false-teaching.196454/post-4737227
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https://christianchat.com/threads/tongues-false-teaching.196454/post-4737227
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A.) Intellectually dishonest???
B.) Irrevelent?
Ad Hominen attack are not supportive but undermines your position.
Let's seek to please God and not ourselves.
AGREE = We are not follow false teachers/preachers/religions but only the Truth according to "It is written."
I am only covering what is written for us to embrace and believe in His Word.
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
AGREE = We are not to believe what religion says but what God says.
AGREE = misuse of any Gift that God gives us is wrong but that does not make the Gift wrong or the Believer who operates in those Gifts under the obedience to Christ.
B.) Irrevelent?
Ad Hominen attack are not supportive but undermines your position.
Let's seek to please God and not ourselves.
AGREE = We are not follow false teachers/preachers/religions but only the Truth according to "It is written."
I am only covering what is written for us to embrace and believe in His Word.
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
AGREE = We are not to believe what religion says but what God says.
AGREE = misuse of any Gift that God gives us is wrong but that does not make the Gift wrong or the Believer who operates in those Gifts under the obedience to Christ.
IMO your questions are not addressing the real issue. The real question is, 'does what people practice today called tongues the same thing as what was done in the NT?' Would you agree with this?
A.) If what is done today is not the same thing as Acts 2, then it is not from God.
B.) The only one I know of doesn't directly say, but has an implication: Heb. 2:4. Since the writer of Hebrews excludes himself from "those who heard," he excludes himself from performing signs and wonders, and ultimately the gift of tongues. Since he also says "those who heard" (directly and literally from Jesus), the implication is that ONLY those people performed those signs. So, by implication, when those people died, it is reasonable to assume that the miraculous gifts died with them.
It's not saying that all miracles ceased, but that those gifts of miracles ceased, which a person had to exercise at his discretion. Gifts given to individuals permanently, not just a one-time event. After all, isn't this the assumption about tongues today? "I have the gift of tongues" means that person has been given a permanent gift to exercise at his own discretion. Do you agree with this?
But then there is the problem of the Corinthian church. Is there any indication that the gifts, including tongues, was given to many individuals? Was it really so prolific as Charismatics claim? Does the scripture anywhere imply it?
A.) If what is done today is not the same thing as Acts 2, then it is not from God.
B.) The only one I know of doesn't directly say, but has an implication: Heb. 2:4. Since the writer of Hebrews excludes himself from "those who heard," he excludes himself from performing signs and wonders, and ultimately the gift of tongues. Since he also says "those who heard" (directly and literally from Jesus), the implication is that ONLY those people performed those signs. So, by implication, when those people died, it is reasonable to assume that the miraculous gifts died with them.
It's not saying that all miracles ceased, but that those gifts of miracles ceased, which a person had to exercise at his discretion. Gifts given to individuals permanently, not just a one-time event. After all, isn't this the assumption about tongues today? "I have the gift of tongues" means that person has been given a permanent gift to exercise at his own discretion. Do you agree with this?
But then there is the problem of the Corinthian church. Is there any indication that the gifts, including tongues, was given to many individuals? Was it really so prolific as Charismatics claim? Does the scripture anywhere imply it?