Jews In The Holocaust

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International Holocaust Memorial Day 2022 falls on Thursday, January 27.

Were I a Jew, I would not want the Holocaust remembered because it raises
too many painful questions about the so-called chosen people's popularity
with God.

One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ponder:
How is it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust?
Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to
protect His chosen people?
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Why is there information that Jews funded Hitler?

Where is the scripture to refute the reason I disagreed with you? Instead you keep insulting, misrepresenting, or saying untrue things about me.

As I said multiple times, God is in complete control, He has so much control that He ALLOWS all of us to have free will. This means each and every one of us are responsible for our own sins, and for the way we speak to and treat other people. God did not force you to verbally attack me, you did that all on your own with your free will. If we did not have free will to sin, we would not need a savior for our sins, would we?

I literally joined this site about a week or so ago, I have no “alternative“ account. I only know how to navigate the forum of this site at this point and how to post my status. I would appreciate it if you would stop misrepresenting me.

Why do you care about my reactions to posts, or bring it up at all? That has nothing to do with your post and the reason I disagreed with most of it. You’re so concerned about my likes and dislikes that you actually calculated a percentage for “ratio of posts to negative Red X's”. If you “didn’t take me seriously” I’m sure you would not have taken the time to do that. I’m very curious why you have such an obsession with likes, dislikes, and their ratios to posts? (BTW, I have given way more positive reactions than negative, your post just happened to be one of the few on the negative end)

You are also misinformed and misrepresenting me when you insinuate that I “cause issues with others“. I am going to be frank with you, the only one causing issues is you. The only one verbally attacking anyone is you. And the only person that I’ve had an issue with since I’ve joined is you. I‘m convinced the reason you are still insulting and misrepresenting me is because you are trying to get some sort of “rise” or “negative reaction” from me. I think that’s a very sad way to live, and I truly feel sorry for you if this is true.

Its very clear you have some sort of paranoia, and you’re probably thinking that I am somebody else you may have had issues in the past with. Why else would you accuse me of having an alternative account? I’m not that person, and I definitely don’t have the time to have multiple accounts on a site I just joined, let alone “stalk” a person I don’t know and cause them trouble.

You may not take me seriously, but I take you and your eternal salvation seriously. I take EVERYONE’S eternal salvation seriously, which is the reason why I reply to posts, and why I even bothered with this silly conversation with you. ”Likes” and “dislikes” clearly are not meaningless to you, and because of that I am concerned for you. It seems to me that you care for the approval of mere men instead of God’s approval of you being covered by Jesus’ righteousness . I hope that you accept Jesus Christ as Lord as Savior, and I pray that he heals you of these issues you have. We are all broken, but there is nothing he can not heal.

Oh wow. I just gave you a "winners" award. Of course, I had to remove it since you gave me a thumbs down on one of my posts.

Later

And just because you are assuming to know so much about me, I will tell you that before I started Bible College last year, I read the Bible from start to finish 4 times a year for 4 years in a row.

Just because God did not put a quick end to the Holocaust (or WWII) doesn't mean that God approved of these events, as some of the above posts insinuate. All we know is that God allowed this to happen.

And what did he tell us? That God orchestrates all!

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International Holocaust Memorial Day 2022 falls on Thursday, January 27.

Were I a Jew, I would not want the Holocaust remembered because it raises
too many painful questions about the so-called chosen people's popularity
with God.

One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ponder:
How is it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust?
Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to
protect His chosen people?
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The status of God's chosen people has its advantages; but also its
disadvantages; viz: the status of God's chosen people is not something to be
proud of; but rather, something to be afraid of because the covenant's God
is not the kind of judge influenced by favoritism. No; if anything, Moses'
people run the risk of being judged even more severely than Gentiles
because of their privileged position and the insider's knowledge they were
given of His likes and dislikes.

• Amos 3:1-2 . . Hear this word that Yhvh has spoken against you, O
children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land
of Egypt, saying: You only have I known of all the families of the earth:
therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. (cf. Luke 12:42-48)

This is an ancient principle illustrated not only in the Jews' history, but also
taught by Christianity.

• Luke 12:47-48 . .That servant who knows his master's will and does not
get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many
blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving
punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been
given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been
entrusted with much, much more will be required.
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Do you believe someone who truly belonged to Jesus Christ would do the things Hitler and his followers were said to have done? Anyone who does those types of things are/were not Christians, but posers and frauds. It’s wrong to contribute these acts to a “Christian nation”.

I also want to point out that there were many Jews who followed Hitler, who killed and tortured their “own people”.

Well, there's the issue. Germany was a Christian nation at the time. So one has to question, why didn't more people speak up? I think you have to read history and some of the things Martin Luther said against the Jews. Then you'd understand what I am talking about. Luther wrote a sermon called the Jews and their Lies. So if someone thought they were ridding the world of the enemies of Christ, they might take part in the Holocaust. If they thought they were getting rid of Christ- killers, perhaps they could even think they were working on Gods behalf. The fact that Hitler used Luther's sermon as an excuse should tell us something.

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FAQ: Supposing there is no one to blame for the loss of Jewish life in the
Holocaust but the Jews themselves? If so; then how many of them would've
had to breach the covenant to put them all in so much danger?

A: It's surprising how few Jews it takes to ruin it for all the rest. For example
the incident at Ai in the 7th chapter of Joshua. The insubordination of one
insignificant Jewish man-- just one --caused God to stop assisting Joshua's
army in battle. As a result, 36 men were needlessly killed in action; and
ultimately capital punishment was inflicted upon not only the insubordinate
man himself, but also his sons and his daughters. God's accusation? "Israel
has sinned" (Josh 7:11)

See that? God didn't accuse the perpetrator; no; He accused Israel. In other
words: in that particular incident; the sin of just one Jew under Joshua's
command became the sin of all the Jews under his command; viz: the whole
kit and caboodle-- lock, stock, and barrel; and Israel could proceed no
further with its conquest of Canaan until the guilty man was executed.

And then there's the case where Saul alone caused a three-year famine,
and another case where David's conduct cost the lives of 70,000.

Another possibility is that the generation caught by the Holocaust, was
caught not only due to their own breaches of the covenant, but also due to
breaches committed by generations preceding them.

• Ex 34:6-7 . . Then Yhvh passed by in front of Moses and proclaimed: Yhvh,
Yhvh God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in
loving-kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for thousands, who
forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the
guilty unpunished: visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the
grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.

That statement is included in the covenant, so God is morally obligated to
honor it lest He be found in breach of contract. But it just goes to show that
sins have a way of snow-balling from one generation to the next till the
snowball is so big that it triggers an act of God; which is disturbing because
it tells me that it's not impossible that the Jews of today are endangering the
Jews of tomorrow by their current breaches of the covenant-- breaches that
according to Ex 34:6-7, God will by no means sweep under the rug.

Wouldn't it be awful if the next Holocaust took place right inside the Jews'
own homeland? I sincerely believe that Saddam Hussein's SCUDS were a
wake-up call. Next time; incoming missiles just may contain nuclear
warheads instead of high explosives; and many among Jacob's people will be
poisoned to death with radiation instead of pesticide.

(According to stats I found online, the State of Israel has experienced
1,380,053 cases of Covid 19 resulting in 8,243 deaths; and a very large
percentage of those cases are fully vaccinated. Why hasn't their God's
covenanted providence been protecting His people?)

I believe it's okay to pity the Jews per Lam 1:12; but I do not believe it is
appropriate to let them get away with playing the victim all the time; the
meanwhile diverting attention away from their own chronic failure to honor
the covenant in a manner consistent with God's requirements.
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First of all I would like to establish something of great concern.
The Jewish people were never punished by God for the crucifixion of Jesus. This thought and teaching is the main cause of anti-semitism.

Fact.
Jesus said..no man takes my life but I lay it down.
The crucifixion was foretold by the prophets. (God already knew) ( Jesus already knew).
Jesus said "forgive them for they know not what their doing".
Jesus mission was to offer up himself as high priest for a sacrifice once and for all.
70 ad was not a punishment nor the ww2 event. They were both a fulfillment and example of prophecy of the scattering before the gathering.
Jesus first mission was to the house of Israel only. If they did not reject him you would not be reading this.
Jews don't become christians.

When our Lord was before piliate the jews cried out let his blood be upon our hands and upon the hands of our children.
This is a oath of traditional teaching.
Jesus said my peace I give you but not as the world gives. Israel has yet to discover their Messiah jesus as a nation therefore they have no peace. Selah.
That's why we are to pray for the peace of Israel. It is a metaphor for Jesus.
Before ww2 the jews were well established in business and learning institutes recognized for their intellect and prosperity.
Hitler drew attention to german economics being controlled by the jews. Causing discord among many german business men along with the poverty stricken nation who were in debt after ww1.
The jews controlled much of the banking and such.
Hitler was not a german but from Austria. Finding opportunity to sway the german country to revolt against the sanctions placed upon Germany after ww1.
Long story to long to post.
But Hitler did accuse the jews in the murdering of Christ which bought the silence of the christians in Germany. In fact when the US and Russia who were allies then enter berlin the German people lied and said they had no idea of the atrocities that took place.
They were then ordered to bury the bodies properly that were found in the gas chambers.

To much to post here.

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FAQ: Supposing there is no one to blame for the loss of Jewish life in the
Holocaust but the Jews themselves? If so; then how many of them would've
had to breach the covenant to put them all in so much danger?

A: It's surprising how few Jews it takes to ruin it for all the rest. For example
the incident at Ai in the 7th chapter of Joshua. The insubordination of one
insignificant Jewish man-- just one --caused God to stop assisting Joshua's
army in battle. As a result, 36 men were needlessly killed in action; and
ultimately capital punishment was inflicted upon not only the insubordinate
man himself, but also his sons and his daughters. God's accusation? "Israel
has sinned" (Josh 7:11)

See that? God didn't accuse the perpetrator; no; He accused Israel. In other
words: in that particular incident; the sin of just one Jew under Joshua's
command became the sin of all the Jews under his command; viz: the whole
kit and caboodle-- lock, stock, and barrel; and Israel could proceed no
further with its conquest of Canaan until the guilty man was executed.

And then there's the case where Saul alone caused a three-year famine,
and another case where David's conduct cost the lives of 70,000.

Another possibility is that the generation caught by the Holocaust, was
caught not only due to their own breaches of the covenant, but also due to
breaches committed by generations preceding them.

• Ex 34:6-7 . . Then Yhvh passed by in front of Moses and proclaimed: Yhvh,
Yhvh God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in
loving-kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for thousands, who
forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the
guilty unpunished: visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the
grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.

That statement is included in the covenant, so God is morally obligated to
honor it lest He be found in breach of contract. But it just goes to show that
sins have a way of snow-balling from one generation to the next till the
snowball is so big that it triggers an act of God; which is disturbing because
it tells me that it's not impossible that the Jews of today are endangering the
Jews of tomorrow by their current breaches of the covenant-- breaches that
according to Ex 34:6-7, God will by no means sweep under the rug.

Wouldn't it be awful if the next Holocaust took place right inside the Jews'
own homeland? I sincerely believe that Saddam Hussein's SCUDS were a
wake-up call. Next time; incoming missiles just may contain nuclear
warheads instead of high explosives; and many among Jacob's people will be
poisoned to death with radiation instead of pesticide.

(According to stats I found online, the State of Israel has experienced
1,380,053 cases of Covid 19 resulting in 8,243 deaths; and a very large
percentage of those cases are fully vaccinated. Why hasn't their God's
covenanted providence been protecting His people?)

I believe it's okay to pity the Jews per Lam 1:12; but I do not believe it is
appropriate to let them get away with playing the victim all the time; the
meanwhile diverting attention away from their own chronic failure to honor
the covenant in a manner consistent with God's requirements.
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And why would He? The Lord was simply fulfilling His Eternal Plan, the Plan which our great Apostle Paul expounded upon in Ephesians chapters 2 and 3. Paul tells us that it is God who takes responsibility. All throughout the Old Testament, over and over and over again we find that God takes credit. He places responsibility upon Himself . . . SO THAT he can demonstrate His Raw, Almighty Power. How the church has missed this is mystifying. Why pastors (who have their faces in their Bibles more than anyone else) do not teach this truth . . . again, is mystifying.

Whew. I get so tired of repeating myself like a broken record.

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FAQ: If true that the Jews, as a people, brought the Holocaust upon
themselves in accordance with the language of the covenant that their
ancestors agreed upon with God; then why don't they own up to it instead of
always going about playing the victim and acting so indignant?

. A: Well; sad to say: the Jewish people, on the whole, are famous for their
obtuse attitudes; not only in the Bible; but in real life too. It's so common
and so chronic that we're forced to conclude that their attitudes are actually
quite systemic. Finding a Jew who will admit they are wrong-- wrong about
anything --is like searching for the Loch Ness monster and the lost city of
Atlantis.

The average John Que and Jane Doe Jew is so defensive, so reactive, so
stiff-necked, so adamant, so self-righteous, so arrogant, and so infected with
a chosen-people superiority complex; that they simply cannot tolerate
criticism; not even criticism coming straight from the mouth of the very God
with whom they boast an elite association; ...

Jews have been playing the victim card for decades, and getting away with it
too; so it really riles them whenever somebody dares to suggest that the
misfortunes that have overtaken them down through the years ...

The covenant also obligates God to provide the State of Israel with abundant rain when the people are compliant. Well; if not for ground water, Israel
wouldn't have much of an agriculture. Alas, the historical Jordan River has
been reduced to a toxic trickle of its former self because so much water is
pumped out of it for irrigation.

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