So, it still remains a mystery to you. Okay.
You should inquire as to how they became anti-Semitic.
Jews In The Holocaust
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So, it still remains a mystery to you. Okay.
You should inquire as to how they became anti-Semitic.
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kaylagrl
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I know how they became Anti -Semitic, read the church fathers. They weren't politicians. Not that politicians weren't involved, clearly they were. But the germ of the idea came from Luther himself, and many like him.
Uhhh . . . folks? When are you going to acknowledge the Apostle Paul and what he told us? And what did he tell us? That God orchestrates all! God has done these things, so let's stop pointing fingers at anyone other than our Powerful, Lord and God.
Seriously . . . when?
Romans 11:7-8 NLT - "So this is the situation: Most of the people of Israel have not found the favor of God they are looking for so earnestly. A few have--the ones God has chosen--but the hearts of the rest were hardened. 8 As the Scriptures say, "God has put them into a deep sleep. To this day he has shut their eyes so they do not see, and closed their ears so they do not hear."
Stop pointing fingers. Paul wants us all to know that God is in control . . . not us. This is the single most important concept of the Bible . . God's Omniscient Power. He has an Eternal Plan. Oh, I know . . . we just don't want to believe that so that we can claim that we're powerful as individuals. Suit yourselves . . . when you face God you'll see exactly what I mean. His Power will render you to nothing.
Ephesians 3:9-11 NLT - "I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. 10 God's purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11 This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord."
Seriously . . . when?
Romans 11:7-8 NLT - "So this is the situation: Most of the people of Israel have not found the favor of God they are looking for so earnestly. A few have--the ones God has chosen--but the hearts of the rest were hardened. 8 As the Scriptures say, "God has put them into a deep sleep. To this day he has shut their eyes so they do not see, and closed their ears so they do not hear."
Stop pointing fingers. Paul wants us all to know that God is in control . . . not us. This is the single most important concept of the Bible . . God's Omniscient Power. He has an Eternal Plan. Oh, I know . . . we just don't want to believe that so that we can claim that we're powerful as individuals. Suit yourselves . . . when you face God you'll see exactly what I mean. His Power will render you to nothing.
Ephesians 3:9-11 NLT - "I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. 10 God's purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11 This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord."
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kaylagrl
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If someone could provide that information from an unbiased source I'd have to look deeper into it. I've never heard of that before.
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kaylagrl
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I don't think the fact that the Germans did not act in a Christian way makes them evil. I see this in the church today. I often post to obey the law and let Christ affect our behavior. I always get lots of negative feedback. One told me he wondered about me that I would speak of the law so often.
There is a huge reaction against living as Christ tells us to live, but a judgment against us as evil because of it would be all wrong. Many of the ones who object so strongly to law obedience are trying to live a Christian life as they see it. Some are only trying to speak for obedience to the spirit of the law.
In Germany, many people are dead in their sins because of this ideology that came as a result of their gradual turning from letting Christ affect their behavior. The saints that were killed here on earth were not killed eternally, those dead in their sins lost their eternal life.
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kaylagrl
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It's the seed of racism that leads to the other. Just look around the world, down through history.
I think the bottom line is rebellion against God, and racism and systematic elimination are tools used for that. There are many cases of genocide in the world today. If you google "genocide" the sites will alarm and amaze you. It is part of the last days.
Alright, what seeds, today, are being planted by the Democratic and Republican parties that will lead to genecide?
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kaylagrl
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Time will tell. We're still allowing China to carry on considering what they are doing. Right at this moment we are looking the other way as China does what we said we'd never let happen again.
The killing of black infants through the abortion industry has long been regarded as genocide. Planned Parenthood is engaged in genocide. And both Democrats and Republicans have contributed millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood (a totally misleading name).
"Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?"
http://www.blackgenocide.org/planned.html
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FAQ: Do you mean to say there are actually Christians out there believing it
was the Jews' own fault that they were rounded up like cattle, stripped of
their dignity, their property, their wealth, and their possessions, enslaved,
starved, deprived of basic human necessities, tortured, subjected to
Frankenstein medical experiments, worked to death, and gassed, shot, and
incinerated by the millions?
A: If the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God is binding; then
yes; the Jews, as a corporate people, are definitely at fault for what
happened to them.
The covenant obligates Him to protect them from misfortune when they're
compliant with it; but the same time the covenant also obligates God to
lower the boom on them when they're not compliant with it. There's really
no mystery to this: it's all spelled out in black and white at Ex 34:6-7, Lev
26:14-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:15-69. (cf. Deut 29:14-28)
If there is only one good thing to come out of the Holocaust is that it proves
to the world that God is reliable, viz: He can be trusted to honor His
commitments.
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FAQ: Do you mean to say there are actually Christians out there believing it
was the Jews' own fault that they were rounded up like cattle, stripped of
their dignity, their property, their wealth, and their possessions, enslaved,
starved, deprived of basic human necessities, tortured, subjected to
Frankenstein medical experiments, worked to death, and gassed, shot, and
incinerated by the millions?
A: If the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God is binding; then
yes; the Jews, as a corporate people, are definitely at fault for what
happened to them.
The covenant obligates Him to protect them from misfortune when they're
compliant with it; but the same time the covenant also obligates God to
lower the boom on them when they're not compliant with it. There's really
no mystery to this: it's all spelled out in black and white at Ex 34:6-7, Lev
26:14-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:15-69. (cf. Deut 29:14-28)
If there is only one good thing to come out of the Holocaust is that it proves
to the world that God is reliable, viz: He can be trusted to honor His
commitments.
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TheIndianGirl
Guest
The nazis hated the Jews because the Jews were smarter, richer, obtaining positions of power but at the same time were considered subhuman.
In the civil war and during the periods where black slaves were being used or when equal rights were being denied, many whites considered blacks as subhuman often calling them names and issuing harsh punishment. There was definitely a racist element to black slavery. Blacks were considered only 3/5 human.
Now, rather than racsim being the primary seed, the tide has shifted where believing in certain ideologies makes a person racist (and/or subhuman). People with certain beliefs may be considered dumb/subhuman.
It was the fault of the human beliefs and actions that brought about the dictatorship in Germany. That was the root of the problem.
Every one who lives in our world where demons work has some hurt by someone's actions. Every person has a hurt caused by sin in the world. Germany was an exaggerated way the same principle works. Jews were more victims than part of the cause. The people who helped Hitler kill and cause pain became killers, they were victims as much as the people who gave their mortal life. They gave their eternal life.
Our Sunday School class did a study of what brought Hitler to power using several books that document what happened. We did it, looking to see if any of the causes were in the US today, and we found that there were. Steps of government to be the parent of people, so people look to them for help rather than family. Propaganda for tolerance of sin rather than tolerance of people. Government asking ministers to sign they will accept government rulings as Paul suggests. (They forgot that we are not to obey government when God opposes those rules) All legislation that puts government in control of our lives rather than us controlling. I have forgotten a lot of the study we did.
No, it was not the fault of Jews who had settled in Europe that led to these atrocities. The blame goes directly to the evildoers under Satan and Hitler. But we must keep in mind that all unbelieving Jews (who rejected Christ) brought divine wrath upon themselves, when they made this declaration to Pontius Pilate: Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. (Mt 27:25) So that generation of Jews brought a curse upon their descendants in Europe in the 20th century. just as the Nazis have brought divine wrath upon themselves and will be in Hell. Indeed the wrath of God rests upon all who choose to disobey the Gospel.
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FAQ: How can it possibly be that God would cause an event whose collateral
damage led to the deaths of all those other people too besides the Jews?
A: We're not saying God engineered the Holocaust. All we're saying is: He
stood by and did nothing to prevent a number of His own people being taken
in it. In other words: the essential thing that Moses' people brought upon
themselves was the loss of God's providence. I think God took advantage of
Hitler's agenda as an opportunity; viz: a convenient means of throwing His
people to the wolves like He did in the Old Testament with Nebuchadnezzar.
NOTE: It's not all that unusual for Christians to lose out on God's providence
too; and thus end up in hot water themselves.
• 1John 1:6 . . If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in
the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
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FAQ: How can it possibly be that God would cause an event whose collateral
damage led to the deaths of all those other people too besides the Jews?
A: We're not saying God engineered the Holocaust. All we're saying is: He
stood by and did nothing to prevent a number of His own people being taken
in it. In other words: the essential thing that Moses' people brought upon
themselves was the loss of God's providence. I think God took advantage of
Hitler's agenda as an opportunity; viz: a convenient means of throwing His
people to the wolves like He did in the Old Testament with Nebuchadnezzar.
NOTE: It's not all that unusual for Christians to lose out on God's providence
too; and thus end up in hot water themselves.
• 1John 1:6 . . If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in
the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
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I believe that it has something to do with “free will”. We live in a fallen world filled with sinful men who are corrupted even more with wealth and power. I don’t believe God has anything to do with “allowing” or “not allowing” most (if not all) of the things that humans CHOOSE to do. He may influence people and lead His people by The Holy Spirit, but ultimately God gives mankind the free will to choose what they will do. God did not create us to be robots. However, I believe that God can work ALL things, good AND bad, for His Good. I also want to point out the fact that God did NOT promise us a life without hardship. In fact, He told those who love Him and follow Him that they would face persecution and death for His name.
As for “The Chosen” people’s “popularity with God”….I believe too many people place Jewish people on a pedestal as if they are better or more favored than Gentiles. Of course He loves them and wants to redeem them, but God is also not willing that ANY should perish. Jesus died for ALL nations, not just the Jews.
A Jewish person isn’t saved just because of their ancestry. If a Jewish person doesn’t accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, they will experience the second death just like any Gentile would. Putting Jewish people on a pedestal as “God’s Chosen” gives a false sense of security about their eternal future with God. Unfortunately, the majority of Jewish people REJECT Jesus. Remember when Jesus told the Jewish Pharisees that their father was not Abraham, but Satan, because they rejected and hated Jesus? If their father wasn’t Abraham, then they weren’t part of Israel. God is fulfilling His promise to Abraham through Jesus by grafting those who are saved into Israel to multiply Abraham’s descendants to be as numerous as the stars.
Do you believe someone who truly belonged to Jesus Christ would do the things Hitler and his followers were said to have done? Anyone who does those types of things are/were not Christians, but posers and frauds. It’s wrong to contribute these acts to a “Christian nation”.