Saved by Water

Please don't make such silly and condescending claims.

Can you point to anyone who has claimed that they don't believe Acts 2:38? No, you can't.

The issue that those who are "immersed" in the requirement for water baptism for salvation simply misunderstand and misapply the verse.

You guys claim it is THE pattern for salvation. We KNOW it was ONLY for that immediate crowd, who SAW the miracles of Jesus and then shouted "crucify Him, crucify Him".

By Acts 10, Cornelius received salvation and the Spirit on the basis of faith, BEFORE Peter was convinced by the evidence to water baptize them.

Gal 3:2 and 5 gives the NT pattern for receiving the Spirit; by believing the gospel.

Your theory is all wet.

Jesus said he who believes and is baptized shall be saved. He did not say get baptized because you are saved. (Mark 16:16)

Interesting statement since you misunderstand what is conveyed in Matthew 28:19 and insist the proper way to baptize is using a phrase. A phrase that is never repeated in administering water baptism. In fact every single detailed record of water baptism is done in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Your right he did not make a mistake.

He said to baptize in the name of the Father Son and Spirit.

So I will take him at his word.

Actually he said in John 3 whoever believes will never die but has eternal life. He who believes is not condemned. He who does not believe is condemned already. No mention of water baptism in the conversation at all.

Again, You can;t make a doctrine by one passage.

I mean look at Jesus words..

• John 3:15
  that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
  
  
• John 3:16
  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
  
  
• John 3:18
  “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
  
  
• John 3:36
  He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
  
  
• John 5:24
  “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
  
  
• John 6:35
  And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
  
  
• John 6:40
  And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
  
  
• John 6:47
  Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
  
  
• John 7:38
  He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”
  
  
• John 11:25
  Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
  
  
• John 11:26
  And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
  
  
• John 12:44
  Then Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me.
  
  
• John 12:46
  I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.

we have the same in acts 10:

Acts 10:43
To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”

Acts 13:39
and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Paul even said it

Romans 10:11
For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

and I have just6 scratched the surface. And you want me to look at 1 verse where jesus mentions baptism and say he forgot to mention it in all the other passages? or is there another reason Jesus does not say it in ANY of the other passages, But says it in this one?

I personally would look at the moral majority of passages where belief alone is used

Then I would look at all the passages where the word faith not works is used.

Then I would look deeply and consider what is the means of salvation. ESPECIALLY since no one in the OT was saved by any work period.. and then ask my self if baptism IN WATER is required. why in the OT, where they too were saved by grace, Baptism (whicvh was practiced then) was not required then. but is now.

Please provide scriptures where the apostles actually performed water baptisms that way.

well since you have not proven I misunderstood anything.

this comment is silly at best.

lol..

I can see this will go no where..

what they did or did not do in no way negates what he said.

Does the word make the connection between the use of the name of the Lord Jesus and remission of sin?

Jesus said he who believes and is baptized shall be saved. He did not say get baptized because you are saved. (Mark 16:16)

Not so.

Ananias told Paul he would be a witness to all men and that baptism was to be done in order to wash away sin. This is consistent with the message proclaimed earlier by Peter. (Acts 2:38)

Do you not know that truth will always be established be at least 2-3 scriptures?

So are you saying Jesus did not mean what He said in Mark 16:16?

So, as far as you are concerned they did not obey Jesus.

It really is no laughing matter. What is sad is those such as yourself refuse to accept what the bible confirms by numerous scriptures.

FreeGrace2 said:
I suggest that YOU more closely. It doesn't say "through Jesus' name".

Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

I don't know if your error is intentional or just reading too quickly, but the next TWO WORDS are the key to receiving remisison of sins.

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

The action for remission of sins is to believe in Christ. The result is to have sins remitted.

Why in the world do you KEEP ignoring the issue in Acts 10:43???

Here is the phrase that you seem to love to ignore:

"whosoever believes in Him shall receive remission of sins".

The phrase "throuth His name" which you seem so fixated on, is directly tied to "believes in Him"

So, let me re-arrange the sentence without changing anything.

To Him give all the prophets witness, that whosoever believes in His Name shall receive remission of sins.

Do you not know that truth will always be established be at least 2-3 scriptures? That is a fact, and as such if your understanding of what was stated in Matthew 28:19 were correct there would be at least 1 other scripture that said the same thing. There is not. All water baptisms were performed in the name of the Lord Jesus.

If baptismn was required. Jesus would have said so in all those other passages.

Mark 16 could be spirit baptism.

Your right its no laughing matter that you reject what Jesus said.

like I said. this will go no where.. You do not even want to discuss what Jesus said..

I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Col. 2:9 says that in Jesus dwells the fulness of the Godhead bodily.