Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

Literally no one else gets this, are you asking me a question here without a Question mark or are you agreeing with this? I would hate to put you on agreeing when you are just asking a question.

I wouldn't exactly call them previews, even though I understand that thought process. I think Jesus used something common for his time (2000 year ago) and showed a Scrolled Book of Judgments bound by 7 Seals (7 = Completion) and thus God had this book completely sealed Himself, and ONLY Jesus could open the sealed book (or bring these judgments to mankind).

I will illustrate via a Closet with 7 locks on it. If I had received a bunch of gifts in the mail, and placed them in a closet with 7 locks on it, and invited friends (think Church in Heaven) over to my house to reveal these gifts. As I took one lock off, I would explain about this beautiful guitar, as I took the 2nd lock off I would tell my friends about a gold harmonica that behind this closet door, lets move ahead, as I opened the 6th lock I tell my friends about a leather bound bible I received, but guess what, even with 6 Locks Off, the closet is STILL LOCKED !! My friends have yet to see anything, they are in anticipation, but at this time they have only herd me describe what they are ABOUT TO SEE when the 7th Lock is taken off AND I finally open the closet door !!

Now, what makes more sense, when I finally take the 7th Lock off, do I continue to talk about what is behind the door, or do I simply OPEN THE DOOR? I would of course STAY SILENT and simply open the door and show them the gifts that were behind the door. LIKEWISE, after Jesus opens the 7th Seal there is nothing left to say, all Heaven stays SILENT, because Judgment is now at hand !!

What I was indicating is to see what your take is on these things, as they relate to Chronology? I'm hoping you will give me even more food for thought..... Thank You for your dedication to this subject..

So the first trumpet SOUNDS after certain aspects of the six seal are fulfilled?

Because the sealing of the 144,000 happens before the earth, trees, and seas have been harmed,,, Right? And please correct me if I am wrong

Rev 7:3 saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.

Rev 8:7 The first sounded, and there came hail and fire, mixed with blood, and they were thrown to the earth; and a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up

So my only point was that the seals contribute information that established some chronology, Holding things to a certain order..... Right?

And there is the Drought Caused by the Two Witnesses, and how all that fits in; since the drought could only be during the times before they are killed.

Rev 11:6 These have the power to shut up the sky, so that rain will not fall during the days of their prophesying; and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with every plague, as often as they desire.

And the third bowl of wrath is God's Retribution for those having conducted the 666 inquisition. It seems that this Blood Bath would have had to have happened before even the first Bowl of wrath was poured out, Looking like it happened in the first three and a half years? Please let me know what you think here...

Rev 16:4 Then the third angel poured out his bowl into the rivers and the springs of waters; and they became blood. 5 And I heard the angel of the waters saying, "Righteous are You, who are and who were, O Holy One, because You judged these things; 6 because they poured out the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink. They deserve it." 7 And I heard the altar saying, "Yes, O Lord God, the Almighty, true and righteous are Your judgments."

By talking to you I can already see that the retribution of the THIRD BOWL is the fulfillment of FIFTH SEAL: with those under the altar calling upon God for retribution; but these having to rest a little while longer until it would be fulfilled.

Rev 6:9-11 When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; 10 and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" 11 And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.

So By looking at what you are saying it's evident that THE SEALS are contemplating things taking place not only during the trumpets, but also the BOWLS OF WRATH... And this was an advance upon what I was knowing before you showed me these things... So thanks again and let me know anything else you have that can fill some more of these GAPS.....


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no way I can keep up

I will give you the exact Chronological Order of the book of Revelation, then answer your post later on. In order to understand fully the timing of the Rapture we must understand the Chronological Order of Revelation.

Revelations Timelines Explained.

The name Revelation/Apocalypse is from the Greek word Apokálypsis meaning to uncover or "Reveal". So, Jesus is given this book by God the Father, and he in turn gives it unto John the beloved disciple. He gives it via Visions/Angel Messengers etc. etc., and at times via the spoken word, but mostly through visions.

Rev. 1 is Jesus as seen in all his glory by John (and the other disciples saw this glory also) via on this earth and now in Heaven. Jesus then tells John to write what he sees in Visions down and to send it unto the 7 Churches that are in Asia-Minor. Jesus also tells John he is to write about the things which he "has seen" (Jesus' Glory on earth and in heaven) about the "things which are" (Church Age) and the "things which will be hereafter". (The 70th week Trib.)

Revelation 2 and 3 is the Church Age or time of the Gentiles. The 7 Churches of Asia-Minor represent the Complete Church Age as the number 7 = Completion. Thus these 7 Churches are not different periodic Churches from different times, but 7 different type Churches throughout the whole/complete Church Age. Rev. 2 and 3 represent the things which are (meaning that back on earth the Church Age/Time of the Gentiles was current at that time).

Revelation chapter 4:1 is the dividing point of the Time of the Gentiles/Church Age and the 70th week tribulation point. Jesus via the Last Trump ends the Summer Harvest (Church Age) at that time, via his Visions unto John, as Jesus told John write the things you see in the Visions down, thus when Jesus says "Come up here" that is John being Raptured just after the "Things which Are" (Church Age) and seeing the "Hereafter" as this verse clearly describes.

Rev. 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. (After the Church Age/Time of the Gentiles)

Rev. 4 and 5 in total are the beginning of the 70th week troubles back on earth in that the Time of the Gentiles is over, the 70th week troubles, (DESIGNED to get Israel to repent/see Dan. 9:24-27) is now the timeclock the earth is on according to Jesus' vision, the Gentile Church are in Heaven here as evidenced via Rev. 4:4 where we see Rev. 2:10, Rev. 3:5 and Rev. 3:21 all fulfilled by us (Church) sitting in Heaven, on thrones, in white robes with gold crowns on, as "OVERCOMERS". We are again seen in Rev. 5:9-10 as those Redeemed by God, angels do not need redeeming, so that is us there. We are present when Jesus starts opening the 7 Seals that bind-up the Trumpet Judgment Scrolls.

Rev. 6 sees Jesus start opening the Seals but the seals do nothing, Judgment can not be put forth until the Judgment Scroll is completely opened up. Jesus simply prophesies here via visions unto John what is about to befall mankind back on earth. He thus shows the Church (and John) in Heaven, in this futuristic vision. THE HEREAFTER is what John is now in, he will soon be shown the 70th week tribulation back on earth, as soon as the Seven Seals are all opened up, but here in heaven Jesus is simply showing the Church and John via visions what he will soon bring to pass back on earth, which he will show them again via visions starting in Rev. 8. The first Four Seals/Horses represent the Anti-Christs soon to come 42-month rule. 1.)He Conquers 2.) Brings War 3.) Brings Famine and finally 4.) His rule will bring Death, Sickness and the Grave. Seal #5 is Jesus showing John that this mans coming 42 month rule will see many Martyrs also. The 6th Seal is Jesus showing John that the same 42-month rule of the Beast will parallel with God's coming 42-months of Wrath, as soon as the Rev. 8 Asteroid/Mountain is cast into the Sea, this Anti-Christ will go forth conquering amidst the chaos. These Seals all happen just before the Judgments Fall, as Rev. 7 says below, HOLD UP the Four Winds (Judgment) until the 144,000 are sealed in their heads, these 144,000 are the 1/3 Jews seen in Zechariah 13:8-9 who repents just before the DOTL, that are 3-5 million Jew who will flee Judea when they see the AoD.

Rev. 7, as wee see above with the lead in, are the Judgments of God/Wrath of God has not yet started in Rev. 7. The Trees are not burning yet, the Asteroid has not yet hit earth, thus this chapters is designed by God to show us that the Jews who repented, now seen in Rev. 7 fleeing Judea after they repent (are sealed) and thus God protects them from these coming "Four Wind Judgments", thus the Angel is ordered to HOLD UP these judgments that will soon harm the trees, seas and the earth (Rev. 8 asteroid). Then in Rev. 7:9-17 we see the Raptured Church in Heaven, the same ones seen in Rev. 4:1, Rev. 4:4 and Rev. 5:9-10. The Church which came out of the "CONTINUAL GREAT TROUBLES" we have on this earth as Jesus cited John 16:33. Only now does God's Wrath will hit in the next chapter, after the Jews who repented are safe in the Petra/Bozrah area where God Himself will protect them for 1260 days.

Rev. 8, God's Wrath starts when the 7th Seal of the Judgment Scroll is removed. As soon as the 7th Seal is taken off the Angels start readying the Judgment Trumps. NOTICE: no Angel readied a "Seal Judgment" because there is no such thing, the Angels do indeed ready the 7 Vial Judgments in Rev. chapter 15, and these 7 Trump Judgments as seen here in Rev. chapter 8, but not the "7 Seal Judgments", because there are no Seal Judgments, the 7 Seals simply seal up a scroll of Judgments. The Judgments are the 7 Trumps, and the 7 Vials, which are in essence the 7th Trump/3rd Woe. So, Trump #1 is God's Wrath falling (Seal 6 coming to pass along with Joel 2:31 coming to pass), the fire coming in burns up the trees as seen in Trump #1. Then the Asteroid impact happens via Trump #2. The same asteroids Wormwood fallout of Sulfur or whatever it is, after the impact, is seen in Trump #3. Then in Trump #4 we see that the Sun, Moon and Stars all go dark by 1/3 via the smoke in the atmosphere, this will thus fulfill both the Seal #6 and Joel 2:31 prophesies, and the moon will no doubt turn "Blood Red" because of the fires effect, the moon will have a "Red Hue" because of the fires back on earth, it will appear to be blood red to the naked eye. Finally, in Rev. 8:13 an Angel announces that the last Three Trumps yet to sound are indeed the three soon to come Woes.

Rev. 9 is the first two Woes. I see the First Woe as God allowing Apollyon and his hordes of bound up demons out of the bottomless pit in order to be over the 7 Headed Beast once again, as he was before as shown in Rev 17, the Beast that WAS.........IS NOT...........YET IS. Thus Apollyon is the Scarlet Colored Beast of Rev. 17, he is let out of the Bottomless Pit in Rev. 9, which shows chapter 17 will be a Parenthetical Citation type chapter. The Second Woe is IMHO, a host of Angels who bring forth God's Plagues onto mankind. Until this point in time every chapter has been in perfect Chronological Order, now the book of Revelation diverges onto a different path, we start seeing the Parenthetical Citation Chapters in Revelation chapter 10. I am going to SKIP to Rev. 15 & 16 which I think is all one chapter, later divided by humans, which goes together perfectly in that the Angels ready the 7 Vials in Rev. 15 and then deliver the 7 Vials in Rev. 16, whereas the Trumpet Judgments were both READIED & DELIVERED in Rev. 8, as shown in one chapter, not divided, thus I think Rev. chapters 15 & 16 also go together in like manner.

Revelation chapters 15 & 16 is the next chapter as pertaining unto the Chronological Order of the book of Revelation. Thus we see the Vials readied in Heaven, then we see the 7th Trump brings the 3rd Woe, which is the 7 Vials of God's Wrath in full. We see the final judgments brought unto the wicked, and in the 6th Vial we see that the Kings of the WHOLE WORLD gather to fight against God Almighty, thus in the 7th Vial when Jesus lands on the Mount and splits it asunder, and then defeats all of those gathered against Israel at Armageddon, God Himself calls them Babylon the Great (Rev. 16:19) whom He has given the cup of wine the fierceness of his Wrath. Thus we know Babylon is the WHOLE WORLD Governed by Satan the liar, who has deceived (Babel) and confused these people so much so that the have chosen to take up arms against their own loving Creator. Babel = Confusion, and thus it is aptly described in Rev. 1619, Satan's Dark Kingdom on this earth, over mankind is indeed "Babylon the Great".

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Parenthetical Citation definition = Parenthetical citations are citations to original sources that appear in the text of your paper. This allows the reader to see immediately where your information comes from, and it saves you the trouble of having to make footnotes or endnotes.

Parenthetical citations are notes in parentheses that let a reader know what original sources you used in the body of your research paper. These notes make it easier for the reader because they don't have to stop reading to know what is source material. In other words, the parenthetical notes don't disrupt the flow of the paper. This saves the writer from having to create endnotes or footnotes, and it gives the reader immediate access to the sources.

God uses this in a much grander way, God now shows John in Rev. chapters 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18 and most of Rev. 19 "OTHER EVENTS" that happen at the exact same time on earth as Rev. 8, 9 and 16, the Judgment Chapters. In other words God's Wrath starts with the Rev. 8 Trumpet Judgments, we see these Judgments also in Rev. 9 and 16.

In Revelation 10 however we are shown John swallowing a book that was both sour and sweet, then he is told that when the 7 Thunders Sound the Mystery of God would finally be revealed in full and "time would be no more" [as we know it]. This simply means that when the 7 Trumpets Sound, and God has Judged this evil world, Jesus will take over and time as we once knew it will be no more, Satan will lose his kingdom, and Jesus will become King of kings and Lord of lords on this earth. Thus he now sits at God's side, but soon God will give Jesus this earth for his kingdom also. That is the mystery of the 7 Thunders. Jesus will take over after the 7th Thunder as Rev.11 and 16 clearly shows us. Thus Rev. 10 is a FLASHFORWARD to the very end of Satan's reign on this earth. Babylon has Fallen!!

Rev. chapter 11 is about the calling/parameters of the Two-witnesses 1260 day ministry on this earth. We understand that they die as the 2nd Woe before the Beast dies at the 7th Vial during the 3rd Woe so that means they have to show up before the Beast conquers Israel at the 1260 middle of the week event. Because both we know that the Two-witnesses and the Beast have 1260 day Ordained Offices on this earth as ordered by God. He does that so we humans can understand these end time timelines by juxtaposing them against each other. There is no reason that Elijah (and I think Moses), are allowed to die except to give us a juxtaposition of their timelines, where we can deduce/understand their timelines. Thus we know the Two-witnesses have to show up before the Anti-Christ Conquers Israel to become the Beast at the 1260, thus the Two-witnesses are indeed the 1335 Blessing. They show up 1335 days before the Second Coming (ends all these wonders as Dan. 12 says) and thus they show up 75 days before the Beast conquers Israel and 45 days before the False Prophet/Jewish High Priest stops or forbids Jesus Worship (takes away the Sacrifice) in the temple, then places the AoD of the E.U. President in the Temple as Rev. 13 says he does (makes an image of the Beast). So, this chapter starts 75 days before Rev. chapter 8 starts. Then the Two-witnesses get Israel to repent (1/3 of the Jews repent in Zechariah 13:8-9) just before the coming Day of the Lord (Gods Wrath) falls at the 1260 event (Zechariah 14:1-2). In Rev. 11:1-3 we can see they are called unto the Jews ONLY via the Measurements shown. The 7th Trump which ends Satan's reign, and where Jesus takes over is not a real time event in the book of Revelation as per this chapter, this is a Parenthetical Citation Chapter (REMEMBER) thus this Rev. 11, Seventh Trump is a rehashing of the Rev. 16 Seven Vials which ends via the 7th Vial and Jesus taking over. We are told that the 3rd Woe will come quickly in Rev. 11, then we are told that the 7th Trump will bring victory via the 3rd Woe (which is all 7 Vials combined), Jesus conquers and that victory is described in Rev. 16 in full. Just like the 2nd Woe being mentioned in Rev. 11 also does not describe the 2nd Woe, which we see via the Rev. 9 actions of the actual 2nd Woe in full !! So, in essence, God gives us one whole chapter about the lives and times of the Two-witnesses which covers 1335 days until Jesus' Second Coming ends all these wonders Daniel was shown in Dan. chapter 12. So this chapter starts just before Rev. 8 and ends with Rev. 16:19.

Rev. 12 is Israel being chased into the wilderness where God will protect her (Woman) for 1260 days, so it starts with the Rev. 8 Asteroid Impact or just before because she starts fleeing 30 days before she gets Conquered, but Rev. 12 is about God protecting Israel for 1260 days and Satan being cast down to earth at that point in time also. So, as pertaining unto the last 3.5 years timeline, this chapter overlaps all of the Judgment chapters (Rev. 8, 9 and 16.)

Rev. 13 starts with the Rev. 8 Asteroid Impact also, we know this because that is when the White Horse goes forth conquering amidst the chaos. So, this White Horse/Anti-Christ, rules for 42 months during the Trumpet Judgments (seen in Rev. 8) and the Rev. 9 Trumpets/2 Woes and the Rev. 16 Vials/3rd Woe.

Revelation chapter 14 is The Harvest Chapter, we see the 144,000 (3-5 million Jews) and Jesus shows up and Harvests the Wheat (Israel) in the first few verses. In verses 17-20 we see the Wine-press Wrath via the Grape Harvest of the Wicked. But in verse 14 we see a FLASHBACK to the Pre-trib Rapture where Jesus himself thrusts in the sickle to Harvest the Church (Barley) from upon a cloud (we meet him in the air). Barley doesn't need to be crushed before it can be sifted. Thus this chapter covers the full 7 years.

Rev. chapter 17 comes next, this chapter also starts in Rev. 8 via the 10 Kings (E.U. Leaders) coming together to plot the Harlots demise, but the actual Harlot covers all time on earth because this Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION of All Time. She is the worshiping of Jupiter, Zeus, the Horoscope and Babylonian religions, she is Baal worship etc. all, and she is also Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism worship as well as Humanism etc. any religion that does not say that the God of Abraham is God and that Jesus Christ is His beloved son who died for all mankind's sin is a Harlot Religion. The Harlot gets killed off by these 10 Kings ( 10 = Completion or All of Collective Europe Combined). So, this story is about what goes down during the Anti-Christs 42 month rule on earth, and these kings forbidding all religious practices except Beast Worship, and thus they "Kill off the Harlot [Religions]. And it is also about Apollyon arising out of the Bottomless Pit, the Demon who kills the Two-witnesses. (He WAS....IS NOT.....YET IS)

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Rev. 18 covers the same 42 months because this is the tale by God of His Wrath on Babylon the Great (Satan's Dark Kingdom on earth over humans). This of course starts with the Rev. 8 Asteroid Impact because this is the Judgment of Babylon (WHOLE WORLD as Rev. 16:19 explains) This of course covers Rev. 9 and 16 also. There are some clues in this chapter. In verse 2 we see that Babylon (this world) has become the Habitation of Devils/Demons, and of course we see Satan is cast down to earth and Apollyon and his hordes of Demons released from the Bottomless Pit, thus demons are now all over this earths domain. In verse 4 we see God saying "come out of her my people lest you partake in her (Babylon) sin and thus also receive of her plagues". This is God telling Israel to flee Judea, which they are seen doing in Rev. 7 and in Rev. 12. We get two more clues that Babylon is destroyed over the course of 42 months, except most people can't seem to decode these codes. Verse 8 says her plagues will come in ONE DAY and verse 10 says her judgment will come in ONE HOUR, both mean 42 months. We know the Day of the Lord starts on ONE DAY and is called the Day of the Lord but we also know it lasts 42 months. We also see in Rev. 17:12 that the 10 Kings rule ONE HOUR with the Beast and we know the Beast rules for 42 months, so both of these are clues telling us it will take Babylon (this whole evil world under Satan's Dark Rule) 42 months of Judgment before she falls. Then Satan gets locked in the bottomless pit for 1000 years.

Rev. 19 basically covers the full 7 years also as Rev. 14 does also. We see the Raptured Bride in Heaven (us the Church) where we marry Jesus then return to earth with him in order to be a part of Jesus' victory, where Jesus merely SPEAKS VICTORY (So he kills the Anti-Christ WITHOUT HAND as Dan. 2 and Dan. 7 and 8 all say) and thus the only part of Rev. 19 that does not happen during the Rev. 8, 9 and 16 Judgment chapters is where the Anti-Christ and False Prophet are cast into hell, after his 1260 day rule on earth as the Beast, in Reb. 19:20.

Of course Rev. 20 (Judgment Seat) Rev. 21 (the Ever-after) and Rev. 22 (New Jerusalem) all happen after Rev. 19 ends Satan's Dark Rule on earth.

To understand the Revelation TIMELINES one has to understand that the middle of the 70th week is the KEY, thus the 1260, thus the Rev. 8 Asteroid Impact, thus everything in the end times is centered around the Daniel 1260, 1290 and 1335 Prophetic Understandings.

Everything up until Rev. 4:1 is the Church Age Period/Time of the Gentiles on earth. Everything after that is the 70th week period (BELOW)

Up until Rev. 8 everything happens in the First Half of the 70th week, Rev. 4 and 5 is the Church in Heaven with Jesus, probably AFTER the Marriage which we see in Rev. 19, but then again I stated Rev. 19 covers the full 7 years for a reason. Rev. 6 is Jesus amidst the Church in Heaven opening the 7 Seals and Prophesying what is about to befall mankind back on earth when God's Wrath/Judgments finally falls in Rev. chapter 8. Then in Revelation chapter 7 we see the 3-5 million Jews Fleeing Judea (REMEMBER Rev. 18:4, Come out of her my people !! We see that in Rev. 7, the 144, 000 are ALL Israel who repent) So, all of that happens in the first half of the 70th week or in the first 1260 days of the 70th week. Everything after Rev. chapter judgment 8, basically happens during the last 1260 days, thus the 1260 is basically the dividing line God uses to teach us how to understand His end-time timelines !!

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Revelation chapters 8, 9 and 16 are the Judgment Chapters and thus God's judgments start in Rev. chapter 8, moves on to the Two Woes of Rev. chapter 9 and to the Rev. chapter 16 Third Woe (which are the 7 Vials) which bring Jesus' Victory over Satan, the Beast and his False Prophet in Rev. 16:19. Thus these three chapters last for 42 months. They cover the whole 42 months of God's Wrath after the above 1260 middle of the week.

Rev. chapters 12, 13, 17 and 18 all start at the 1260 middle of the week event also, because each chapter is about the Anti-Christ and his rule on earth as seen in Rev. 12, 13 and 17. Rev. 18 is about God's 42 months of Wrath and Babylon Falling/being judged. Rev. chapter 11 is about the Two-witnesses 1335 appearance, where they Witnesses for 1260 days, are then killed by Apollyon, and then ascend unto Heaven. Rev. 14 and 19 both cover the full 7 years of the 70th week. This is why all of these chapters are Parenthetical Citation Chapters, they cover the book of Revelation chapters that have already been covered once, thus the Parenthetical tagline.

Amen to that! We certainly have impassable differences but this is a very, very rare insight. We likely still see this in different ways but it is true that nothing at all happens when each seal is opened. All they provide is information about future events.

Brother just wondering? What is highlighted in green: is this to say the trumpet are encapsulated within the seventh seal, indicative they play out as in a (parenthesis) indicative of [Chapters 8 through 11 really being one chapter] as in like manner as chap 15 and 16 being one? If this is what you are saying then I am in complete agreement. If I am see what you are saying correctly than I suggest what you say in green reads as follows: "whereas the Trumpet Judgments were both READIED & DELIVERED in Rev. 8 through 11, but in all actually should have been all shown in one chapter, not divided, -------- I think this is what you meant to say, but if not let us know... Thanks and G B!

"""Revelation chapter 14 is The Harvest Chapter, we see the 144,000 (3-5 million Jews) and Jesus shows up and Harvests the Wheat (Israel) in the first few verses. In verses 17-20 we see the Wine-press Wrath via the Grape Harvest of the Wicked. But in verse 14 we see a FLASHBACK to the Pre-trib Rapture where Jesus himself thrusts in the sickle to Harvest the Church (Barley) from upon a cloud (we meet him in the air). Barley doesn't need to be crushed before it can be sifted. Thus this chapter covers the full 7 years."""

Several things need adjusting here.
1) only 144 k FIRSTFRUIT jews are in heaven at the start of ch14. (not 3 million)..(they, the 144k, are harvested/gathered first....hence "firstfruits")
THEN in 14:14 we see the main Jewish harvest by Jesus on a cloud with a sickle.
2) barley is the harvest AFTER the wheat. And does require "crushing".
3) rev14:14 is grape harvest.
Ripe grapes.

4) the grape harvest immediately prior to Armageddon is over ripe (rotten grapes) .
Unredeemed Jews...rotten grapes

Hello Brother and thanks for this: The combine distance of the western and eastern routes from Megiddo/Armageddon to Jerusalem is slightly under 200 miles according to Google Earth; Comprehending two forward columns of troops occupying these two highways all the way to Jerusalem. After all we are looking at a major defeat, orchestrated by the four angels of the Euphrates. These are four Angels having been prepared for the hour, day, month, and year. to be released, so that they would kill a third of mankind. What will be said beyond this point has been the work of what is now over a thousand pastors world wide; that by now (in the past twenty-two years) has crossed almost every denominational boundary. These relationships have yielded much fruit; but for now it boils down to a single word that translators were not respecting as a singular form in the Greek, but this discrepancy is revealed in the footnotes of some NASB bibles. The implications of what follows are disconcerting, if not all out shocking. Implications that forced us to take a critical examination of Revelations Chronology.


*G444 matches the Greek ἄνθρωπος (anthrōpos,) which occurs 550 times in 498 verses in the Greek concordance of the NASB https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g444/nasb95/mgnt/0-1/


*G444/the men. - Most bibles (many times) have erroneously rendered the Greek word (Anthropos) as “Mankind” as founds in Revelation 9:15, 18, and 20, thus conveying the idea that these 3 plagues are affecting all of humanity. Yet, contextually and etymologically, the correct translation is "the men", and refers specifically to the soldiers (“the men”) (a coalition) from all the nations having bivouacked in the valley of Megiddo/Armageddon. Remember that the death/blood is said to be just outside Jerusalem extending approximately 200 miles north to the Valley of Megiddo/Armageddon, but with only a third of the troops killed.


Revelations 9:15, 18, and 20 all include the forgery rendering the word Anthropos “Mankind” rather than rightfully MEN”.


The word "Mankind" is actually the Greek word anthropoi; a word nowhere to be found in the New Testament. This forgery is significant in that the translators were trying to create the illusion that the battle of Armageddon was a global conflict, rather than a regional battle affecting those who will gather to subjugate Israel (firstly from the north extending south.) Therefore, even the actual words of Rev 9:15, 18, and 20 do not fit a narrative for an end-of-the-tribulation’s battle.

NOTICE! Those who get killed at the Battle of Armageddon will be saved (Yet, on the other hand, the Nations will still be enduring this defeated, but they are defiant/rage.) The Scriptures indicate that the survivors did not repent of the works of their hands … This means the ones who are destined to be killed WILL believe in God at some point of time before their death.

Because of Moses and Elijah, these prophecies will be known amongst these armies regarding this plague, that they were to turn on one another. A third of the men among these armies will repent, and will be taking their places among the Great Multitude…

Trying to understand all this; that is, the Chronology, in that we are having copies of copies (etcetera) (that other than a few small scrapes) and them being separated by (lets say) 100 years of the signature; we are only having (even less ancient copies) from an organization having had their hands on the reins of the Sixth Beast. This is to say that a particular woman always survives the destruction (the one who "lives securely") of every empire she has ever ridden (that being six but one more in the future). She has been the plague on all humanity, with the history of conquering and becoming wealthy from the gifts of beast (her many lovers) She is the one saying (that because of her) we are having the bible. The Harlot is saying she was with the church from the beginning; yet all of what we see of her early days, is portraying Herself as being among the social elite. If this is the case, then how is it that she could have been so carless, to have complete lost almost all the original manuscripts. Almost everyone knows to sacredly guard original documentation. The harlots history is one of having ridden the beasts of the earth while having spread the plague of war, looting, and biological pestilence wherever she has gone in the world. These things are prime indicators (that by now) we are having leaven added to three pecks dough. The Book (hardcopy) "SEVEN EYES" will first be distributed to at least two thousand pastors in the united states, before being available for free download to the masses of planet earth... There are a few people here (on this website) that we want to also send a hard copy; so let me know if you want one...

PS... What the Book "Seven Eyes" will easily reveal, is the content of the (first part) of the Sixth Seal and the Sixth Bowl of Wrath having been switched long ago. This is to say that the first part of the Sixth Seal is really the Sixth Bowl of Wrath, and the Sixth Bowl of Wrath is really the first part of the Sixth Seal... I know this is like dropping a bomb, but these were switched long ago, because of the Harlot's hatred for PRIMARLY the Jewish People. Making it appear as though Jerusalem/Israel were destroyed rather than what is by now, the Harlot's Global Reign.

Just a question...

why do I see the word "anthropois" here: https://biblehub.com/text/2_timothy/2-2.htm

and here (when you click on "Tools"): https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2ti/2/2/ss1/t_concf_1127002





...er, wait a sec... I think you were saying "anthropoi" instead of "anthropois" as I somehow mistakenly thought you were referring to...



Please disregard this post. = )


[need new/stronger glasses ]



...back to the drawing board, for me... lol




Ok... maybe here:

Matt7:12 - https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/7-12.htm

and here (under "Tools"): https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/7/12/t_conc_936012

144,000 is an ENCODED message saying ALL Israel who repent, just like "The Woman" in Rev. 12, God doesn't pluck out a certain number of people, God uses numbers to tell us specific things however. The 7 Spirits and 7 Eyes in Revelation simply means God sees all and God is omnipotent. We know 6 stands for man, 10 stands for completion, and 12 stands for fulness. We see how God uses these numbers throughout the bible, since the Hebrew language had only 4000 words and no vowels.

Thus the 10 Horns in Daniel 7 and the 10 toes simply means COMPLETE Europe at any given time, no matter how many nations there are/were, the 10 COULD NOT COME BACK TOGETHER, thus in Dan. 2:43 is says they shall try to mingle themselves with one another via the seed of men (Royal Marriage) but they shall not cleave to one another (Europe can not reform as an Empire), because they are like iron and clay. So, when they do give their power unto ONE MAN in the end times, they are still just many nations, this makes them weaker than having one central power, thus they chose to eventually give all of their power to this one man (which is why he is called the Little Horn).

In Rev. 2:10 the Church of Smyrna are told they will have tribulation for 10 days (complete Church Age). The Ten Commandments are a stand in for ALL God's laws. Any time God TIMES something by 10 or 7 He is adding an EMPHASIS on the Completion He is speaking about. Thus when God says he has saved himself 7000 people and He later says there will be 144,000 why do we not understand these are Prophetic utterances that are simply speaking about the COMPLETE number of Jews who repent? It can not be both 7000 and 144,000 but it can be the COMPLETE number thereof, as in 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 7000 and 12 (Fulness) x 12 x 10 (Completeness) x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000, so its funny to me people can't figure out these simple truths, God is using numbers not CHOOSING a certain number, just like there are not 10 Virgin Brides, the 10 stands for ALL Christendom, why is this so difficult?, because people thought one thing and were in error? I don't get it tbh, if God proves me wrong I don't think of it like that, I think of it as "Hey, God loves me enough He wants to REPROVE me, and TEACH me His truths, I love it, when see I am WRONG, I know I just learned a DEEP TRUTH !!

Now, turning to Zechariah 13:8-9 we do not get he actual number, we get this, 1/3 of the Jews will turn unto God and 2/3 will refuse to repent and will perish, then in the very next verse in Zech. 14:1 we see the DOTL arrives, and since we know Israel has like 10 million Jews living there now 1/3 of that is 3 million, and since there are 15 million Jews living worldwide and more may indeed return to Israel, and a 1/3 of 15 million is 5 million we can only say those who repent and then flee Judea will be between 3-5 million Jews, so I don't just make the numbers up brother.

By the way, the 10,000 x 10,000 in Rev. 9 doesn't mean 200 Million, and its not a Chinese Army either. Its ALL the COMPLETE Hosts of Heaven who brings forth plagues against all those who have taken the Mark of the Beast.

So why are these the First-fruits? Because they are the First-fruits of the Wheat which needs to be Crushed by a TRIBULUM (The Greek word used for a tool/machine which crushes Wheat is where we get the English word Tribulation from), Israel is that wheat. The Church is the Barley, and no Barley does not need to be crushed in order to be sifted, thus Barley never went through the TRIBULUM machine Whet did. Jesus to his Disciples the Jews were the Wheat. The Grape Harvest is demonstrated as God pressing (Judging) the wicked. The Jews celebrated three Harvests the Barley, Wheat and Grapes, God took those three harvests and showed the End Time Events to come, see THIS ARTICLE at Gone Fishing.

THREE MAIN HARVESTS OF SOULS.
https://gone-fishin.org/2012/03/20/three-main-harvests-of-souls/

Jews stay in a resting place until the very end, thus the 144,000 are the very first-fruits of the Wheat, Peter, Paul etc. other Messianic Jews ate a part of the Barley Harvest who did not need Crushing, the Article PROVES THIS. Thus the 144,000 (3-5 million Jews who repent and accept Jesus) will be the First-fruits of the Jews/Wheat. Each grain has a First-fruit, we re the First-fruits of the Barley, in the tribulation period, those Martyred Gentiles will not be a part of the First-fruits of the Barley/Gentile Church, thus in Rev. 12:17 they are called THE REMNANT [Church].

In Leviticus 23:1 the Israelite is instructed to ..."bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest". This is barley because it is the first grain to mature.Apr 10, 2007

Read the above Article, Barley DOES NOT need to be crushed in order to be sifted brother. Jesus paints a masterpiece with these Three Harvests !! He gives us his MYSTERY Rapture in his parables/deep truths, we have to dig it out. I just so happen to have been called to do this, its what I do in life. I never stop until I get an answer From God.

No, it is clearly TWO DIFFERENT Harvests, Jesus from upon a cloud thrusts in his Sickle and Harvests his Church (Barley) which can be sifted without being crushed. The Angel comes and Harvests the Grapes in verse 17-20.

Revelation 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

So, these that are cast into the Wine-press of God's Wrath are the RIPE GRAPES.

In the Three Harvests God shows us the Barley "(Church) the Jews who repent (Wheat) AND the Wicked who refuse to Repent, thus the Harvest Chapter which covers he full 7 years s an apt description.

No, Rev. 11 is a Parenthetical Chapter, not a part of the Judgments. Rev. 8, 9 and 16 (15&16) cover the entire 42 months of God's Judgments, all God's Wrath comes from the 7 Trumpets (THINK 7 Thunders in Rev. 10), we see the Four Trumps in Rev. 8 which are ONE ASTEROID STRIKE, then in Rev. 8:13 we are specifically told that the remaining Three Trumps when THEY SOUND (Trumps) will be the Three Woes, thus the Last Woe (Trump) brings the 7 Vials, so Rev. 16 is the LAST WOE the one Rev. 11 says would COME QUICKLY, and yes, in Rev. 11 we are told Jesus will win in the end, but the details are not given, because that chapter is specifically about the Two-witnesses ministry, thus when they die at the 2nd Woe, we are just given a glimpse of what the final 75 days will be, they go to Heaven and we are told Jesus will win. Likewise we are also told about the 2nd Woe, but we see those details in Rev. 9 !! So, this is THE STORY of these Two-witnesses, not the story of God's Judgments per se in detail we get THE DETAILS or Actual Judgments in Rev. 9 and in Rev. 16 fir those two woes.

My point is, there are no READYING of the Seal Judgments because they are not Judgments, but Prophetic SOON TO COME proclamations by Jesus, foretelling of the Judgments that start in Rev. 8, and run through Rev. 9 and 16, the reason I say Rev. 15 goes with Rev. 16 is the Angels in Rev. 15 ae seen Readying the 7 Vials, then in Rev. 16 we get the 7 Vials being poured out, but in Rev. 8 we see the Angels not only Readying the 7 Trumps but also bowing the Trumpet Judgments in the same chapter. We men divided the chapters, not God.

The Seals are like a Closet with 7 Locks on it, on the other hand, the Trumpets are in reality just that, they have ALL the Judgments of God encapsulated within them, the 5th Trump is the 1st Woe, the 6th Trump is the 2nd Woe, and the 7th Trump is the 3rd Woe which is ALL 7 Vials, so Rev. 16 comes to pass with the blowing of the 7th Trump, thus the 3rd Woe is the 7 Vials. Thus Rev. 10 now makes sense, when the 7 Thunders Sound, time (as we knew it) will e no more, we will then be under Jesus Rule. Amen. So Rev. 10 is both sweet and sour when John is told to swallow it, there are MANY DEATHS and Judgments BUT there is also Victory over Satan (and the Anti-Christ) finally, Amen.

The Rev. 15&16 thing is minor, I am just pointing out that if they were consistent, they would have left 15&16 together just like Rev. 8 both readies and delivers the Trumpet Judgments.

I think you are over analyzing one word here, it is man which means MANKIND in that that God of course doesn't need to differentiate the killing of a 1/3 of one man, thus you are saying its speaking about only men in a certain area (which I agree with to an extent), you see, the Anti-Christ will nit need to conquer the WHOLE WORLD because 1/3 of it will be destroyed by God's Wrath, ALL of the 7 Beasts are speaking specifically about Gentile Nations that Conquer Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region, not the whole world but the whole Region, as Dan. 2 clearly tells us, it says Nebuchadnezzar would rule ALL MEN and that Alexander the Great (3rd Beast) would rule the whole earth, but he never ruled India nor China, so its the WHOLE EARTH (7 heads and 10 Horns of the Beast that arise out of the Mediterranean Sea) being spoken of, not the whole world.

So, this word is being used to show it is men whom are being targeted specifically men with the Mark of the Beast,

#0444 ἄνθρωπος anthropos {anth'-ro-pos}

from G0435 and ops (the countenance, from G3700); man-faced, i.e. a
human being; TDNT - 1:364,59; n m
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) a human being, whether male or female
1a) generically, to include all human individuals
1b) to distinguish man from beings of a different race or order
1b1) of animals and plants
1b2) of from God and Christ
1b3) of the angels

So, in essence we agree on where this mainly happens, but I don't think saying MANKIND is out of bounds. If you take the Mark of the Beast, 1/3 will be targeted by an Angelic hosts of Angels to be killed. And, there are not Angels bound in the Euphrates River. God doesn't treat Angels like that, if one reads it very, very carefully, they are BOUND to a Day, Hour, Month and a Year, thus God is saying there will be Angels appointed to be in a specific player on this day, hour, month and year to KILL 1/3 of all men who have the Mark of the Beast in this Region.

"""Read the above Article, Barley DOES NOT need to be crushed in order to be sifted brother. Jesus paints a masterpiece with these Three Harvests !! He gives us his MYSTERY Rapture in his parables/deep truths, we have to dig it out. I just so happen to have been called to do this, its what I do in life. I never stop until I get an answer From God."""

maybe this will help:

Yes
I misspoke.
barley first
then wheat.
both are crushed