Natural immunity? Faith for healing?

I strictly only talked about natural immunity not how to handle the pandemic. If that was the question, I missed it as I was defending natural immunity.

Vaccines are good for the at risk population otherwise natural immunity for kids and young adults is just as safe.

Australia that is funny. Wasn't it a few months ago y'all were in a prison like status due to Covid? I heard you couldn't even go outside.

It varies from state to state. Where I live was pretty strict, but there has been a fair amount of exaggeration. I know that you were defending natural immunity. It sounds good but it is impracticable. And I suspect you are using the wrong term, hence my confusion. If you are talking about the immune system, that is a different subject.

It varies from state to state. Where I live was pretty strict, but there has been a fair amount of exaggeration. I know that you were defending natural immunity. It sounds good but it is impracticable. And I suspect you are using the wrong term, hence my confusion. If you are talking about the immune system, that is a different subject.

You can have your own opinion, not your own facts. The only explanation for India and Africa not being hit much harder is that Ivermectin and HCQ are very effective.



Well I prefer to risk Covid. Maybe you should take your own advice.



No, of course not, I am not simply pulling these things up out of my rear end like the left does. India didn't have enough oxygen which is why they went to Ivermectin. NY Governor Cuomo would not allow them to use oxygen and forced people onto ventilators which had a mortality rate of 90%. It has nothing to do with what I think, it is what the facts were. Also, everyone should know that it is simple to make oxygen from water, all you need is electricity. The idea that NY was worried about a shortage of oxygen only works for the naive and ignorant.



Once again, you have the right to your own opinions, not to your own facts. Africa has 2% vaccination rate. Look at the data, they are doing much better than Europe or the US. Taiwan has used taking temperatures at the door of businesses very effectively. This is a simple and inexpensive solution, far cheaper for businesses than being shut down. The most important things you can do are easy to enforce, temperature at the door, people with symptoms stay home from work, and you use sneeze guards for cashiers, bus drivers, etc.



Which is why they are punishing Africa. Africa is exposing their lies about HCQ. No one is allowed to contradict the narrative that the vaccine is essential, if you do you will be punished.

howard springs quarantine camp.

is that exaggerated??

https://dailycaller.com/2021/12/03/australia-woman-quarantine-darwin-covid-19/

This bad?

Impracticable for who?

Facts? Really?

South Africa: Population: 59.3 million approx.

Cases: 2.99M

Deaths: 89,915


Australia: Population: 25.7 million approx.

Cases: 213,000

Deaths: 2,021

Population: 25.7 million

800 deaths occurred before vaccination was available. Do the maths. Australia's population just under half SA. SA death rate 44 times as high.

Fair enough --South Africa has vaccinated 22% of the population and has 1,490 deaths per million, Nigeria has vaccinated 2% and has 14 deaths per million.

South Africa has one of the most crowded slums in the world, probably not a reasonable comparison with Australia. India is probably a better comparison. India has 336 deaths per million. India has a vaccination rate of 33%.

These numbers may seem like a lot, but the average life expectancy is approximately 80 years. So we would expect 12,500 deaths per million. 125 deaths is 1%.

So then South Africa -- about 10%, Nigeria 0.1%, India 3%

In the US 80% of Covid deaths were the elderly. If that is true in these countries then Nigeria and India are trivial in deaths among those who younger than 65. We are talking of a sampling size of over 1.6 billion people and very low vaccination rates.

Life expectancy India - 70
South Africa - 64
Nigeria - 55

Nowhere near 80.

If the life expectancy is lower then you expect more people per million to die and therefore the numbers for Covid are even less significant.

For example, in South Africa if the life expectancy is 64, then we expect 15,625 deaths per million. That means they had 9.5% of those deaths were from Covid.

If we see the same 80% of the deaths from the elderly it means that 7.6% of the deaths were elderly and 1.9% of the deaths were not elderly.

I believe that any unnecessary death is bad. And that ignores the many more who suffer chronic and serious illness as a result of COVID. Statistically, road deaths are utterly insignificant. Who seriously believes that the roads should go back to the law of the jungle? That drunk driving should be acceptable?

I believe that any unnecessary death is bad. And that ignores the many more who suffer chronic and serious illness as a result of COVID. Statistically, road deaths are utterly insignificant. Who seriously believes that the roads should go back to the law of the jungle? That drunk driving should be acceptable?

Everyone agrees with these principles. The question is what is the best way to do that. There is a cost to everything they do, shutdowns lead to deaths, lockdowns lead to deaths, vaccine leads to deaths. This is why we study them for years before we mandate them.

are taking people out of their homes and placing them in quarantine camps, as your evil government does, acceptable??

No, we do not have to study for years. Quarantine has been the first response since the 14th century at least. There have been enough pandemics to have a reasonable idea of how to deal with them. A lot of disease outbreaks are snuffed out by quick action from medical authorities. It's when the disease is so contagious that it gets loose before it before it can be controlled that we have problems.

Yes, from years of study we know that social distancing can be effective, we have 50+ years of study showing the HCQ is effective against a viral infection especially if used early, from study we know about vitamin D and zinc and Ivermectin. From study we have also found that many of the so called wonder drugs caused horrible deformities, or they were deadly, or they caused some other adverse reaction. We are not ignorant, we know that most of these drugs, vaccines, or whatever else comes out of these labs get rejected after testing because they have serious adverse effects.

We also know that lockdowns cause death, unemployment leads to higher numbers of death, from years of study we know the negative health impacts of obesity. The term "quarantine" refers to something we do to people who are infectious, not to those who have tested negative from this. We have also, through study determined that asymptomatic spread of Covid is not an issue.

Yes through years of study we have learned how to manipulate people through fear, how the media can be weaponized to get people to behave in any way the ruler of this air wants them to behave.

An utterly irrelevant response. The only way anyone can have natural immunity is if they catch the disease. And recover. Plainly, not everyone does.

The only way anyone can have natural immunity is if they catch the disease. And recover. Plainly, not everyone does.

But you have failed to mention something that is critically important. If a person shows symptoms and is given early treatment with ivermectin or the HCQ combo pack, not only will that person recover, but he or she will also have natural immunity after that. The human body immediately produces antibodies when there is a viral invasion. However if that person is in poor health and/or has other health issues, then the drug is necessary. However, the medical establishments have sabotaged these early treatments because there is an evil agenda afoot. Doctors have had to fight hospitals to administer ivermectin.

Complete rubbish. HCQ is for Malaria and Invermectin to treat animals. You can tell who has been taking invermectin. They bark and scratch themselves a lot.