This is a tragedy and I take no pleasure in reporting this.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/daystar-marcus-lamb-covid-death/100669238
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/daystar-marcus-lamb-covid-death/100669238
Natural immunity? Faith for healing?
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His death in no way proves false the fact that some people have a "natural immunity" to the Covid Virus. This is an established fact, and there are cases where such people who may have been exposed to the Virus have had zero problems healthwise.
Natural Immunities are a scientific/biological fact in the human anatomy......
Natural Immunities are a scientific/biological fact in the human anatomy......
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The only people who have natural immunity to any disease is those who have caught it and survived. Smallpox was eliminated by vaccination programs, even though 30 % of victims died. If you think that it's okay to subject vast numbers of people to the risk of preventable illness and even death, I do not. Vaccines are less risky than exposing the whole world to a virus that can and does kill.
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Correct. But as soon as Wuhan virus was released, natural immunity CAME UNDER ATTACK by the very people who should have been talking about it, and educating the general public about it. The medical establishment (with the help of the lying media) attacked natural immunity because (1) there were billions of dollars at stake, (2) there were billions of sheeple to be controlled and tyrannized and (3) this was a great opportunity to destroy all personal freedoms and introduce totalitarianism.
Natural immunity is a powerful defense against microbial attacks. If the governments and the public health agencies really cared about reducing infection rates and death rates, they would have encouraged people to start building up natural immunity, while making very cheap and very effective treatments like ivermectin, HCQ, the HCQ combo pack (HCQ/azithromycin/zinc) freely and readily available over the counter. But we know that that would have totally destroyed their bogus narrative.
Recent studies show that if a person has a mild or severe case of flu or coronavirus, that person acquires natural immunity.
New Study Trashes Claims Of COVID Re-Infection Risks
https://principia-scientific.com/new-study-trashes-claims-of-covid-re-infection-risks/
Also masking for children is (1) totally useless and (2) extremely dangerous.
Study: Face Masks DO Harm Children’s Development
https://principia-scientific.com/study-face-masks-do-harm-childrens-development/
Natural immunity is a powerful defense against microbial attacks. If the governments and the public health agencies really cared about reducing infection rates and death rates, they would have encouraged people to start building up natural immunity, while making very cheap and very effective treatments like ivermectin, HCQ, the HCQ combo pack (HCQ/azithromycin/zinc) freely and readily available over the counter. But we know that that would have totally destroyed their bogus narrative.
Recent studies show that if a person has a mild or severe case of flu or coronavirus, that person acquires natural immunity.
New Study Trashes Claims Of COVID Re-Infection Risks
https://principia-scientific.com/new-study-trashes-claims-of-covid-re-infection-risks/
Also masking for children is (1) totally useless and (2) extremely dangerous.
Study: Face Masks DO Harm Children’s Development
https://principia-scientific.com/study-face-masks-do-harm-childrens-development/
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There is another issue that no one has discussed and should. The smallpox vaccine began when someone noticed that those who had been exposed to cowpox did not get smallpox. It may be that the reason kids and teachers have had extremely small risk from this disease is that exposure to previous related viruses like the common cold have given them partial immunity. Statistically it has already been shown that those regions that were hit hard by SARS ten years ago have shown immunity to Covid.
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You referenced the smallpox vaccine in a previous post a few days ago and then you say this? Seriously?
Cowpox is not smallpox, it is not deadly, but being exposed to cowpox confers some immunity for smallpox. That was the fundamental breakthrough.
Covid19 is related to SARS, study the data and all those countries that were hit hard by SARS were not hit hard by Covid, it appears to have conferred immunity that has lasted for 10+ years.
Covid19 is a Corona virus, it is related to the common cold. Why do you think that kids and teachers have not been hit hard by this? It seems that being exposed to colds every year has helped them get a robust immune response to Covid.
Cowpox is not smallpox, it is not deadly, but being exposed to cowpox confers some immunity for smallpox. That was the fundamental breakthrough.
Covid19 is related to SARS, study the data and all those countries that were hit hard by SARS were not hit hard by Covid, it appears to have conferred immunity that has lasted for 10+ years.
Covid19 is a Corona virus, it is related to the common cold. Why do you think that kids and teachers have not been hit hard by this? It seems that being exposed to colds every year has helped them get a robust immune response to Covid.
So what is your idea? Bring the whole world together to catch cold, SARS (which was also more deadly than COVID) or the flu (which can also be deadly)? Meanwhile, COVID, which is highly contagious, rips through the world, flooding hospitals and overloading health workers.
I am utterly bewildered at the lack of logic. I've had 70 years exposure to colds and flu. I can't imagine anyone my age not having one, other or both at some time in their lives. COVID has still afflicted people in my age range and a disproportionate number have died.
People were not sent to work in farmyards in order to overcome smallpox. They were given vaccines. People don't need to go to school to get a cold or the flu. Schools are the perfect incubator for diseases that are then spread through the community. Kids go home sick. Parents catch it and take it to work. So the cycle continues.
A side effect of COVID restrictions is that the flu is virtually non-existent in the Australian community. The medicos are concerned that the population will be more vulnerable to flu when restrictions are eased, which is happening now. Your simplistic arguments do not stand up to any reasonable examination.
I am utterly bewildered at the lack of logic. I've had 70 years exposure to colds and flu. I can't imagine anyone my age not having one, other or both at some time in their lives. COVID has still afflicted people in my age range and a disproportionate number have died.
People were not sent to work in farmyards in order to overcome smallpox. They were given vaccines. People don't need to go to school to get a cold or the flu. Schools are the perfect incubator for diseases that are then spread through the community. Kids go home sick. Parents catch it and take it to work. So the cycle continues.
A side effect of COVID restrictions is that the flu is virtually non-existent in the Australian community. The medicos are concerned that the population will be more vulnerable to flu when restrictions are eased, which is happening now. Your simplistic arguments do not stand up to any reasonable examination.
your simplistic vaccine is not standing up to any scrutiny.
my strategy is based on science. A robust immune system is science. Eat right, get sleep, get exercise has been proven to improve health.
Stop spreading this fear porn which is more damaging than anything.
People who are at high risk will of course take far more precautions than those who aren't. But those who are healthy and have no abnormal reason to fear should get out. Go to outdoor events like rallies, vaccine protests, etc. All of those events that were called "super spreader" events never turned out to be. As a result large number of people would get a mild exposure so that they could become immune.
Herd immunity is when 80% of the population (give or take) is immune. Even if 20% are too high risk to go to crowded parks and other outdoor events the fact that 80% are going benefits them by tamping down on the spread of this thing.
Social distancing has been proven to be effective (3 feet gives you the benefit, 6 feet is excessive). But even more making sure no one goes out into public that has a fever (take temperatures at the door) or symptoms is a very effective method at reducing the viral load with which you are first exposed and that is a very critical factor in determining how sick you get.
use therapeutics. HCQ has been proven effective in Africa, and Ivermectin has been proven effective in India, and oxygen is extremely helpful for those who are very sick.
Now if you are doing all these things by all means develop an effective vaccine that has been tested for 12 years and shown to be both safe and effective. Make sure your data collection and analysis is transparent so that the whole world can see and trust it. Do not do stupid things that undermine trust by censoring any questions, saying that questioning the person pushing this is to "question science", mandate an experimental vaccine, change the definition of a vaccine, coerce people to get the vaccine with free french fries or threaten to fire them if they don't get it, set up quarantine camps and a whole host of other tyrannical moves, and call on the military to give the vaccine by force. Basic science. Logical really.
my strategy is based on science. A robust immune system is science. Eat right, get sleep, get exercise has been proven to improve health.
Stop spreading this fear porn which is more damaging than anything.
People who are at high risk will of course take far more precautions than those who aren't. But those who are healthy and have no abnormal reason to fear should get out. Go to outdoor events like rallies, vaccine protests, etc. All of those events that were called "super spreader" events never turned out to be. As a result large number of people would get a mild exposure so that they could become immune.
Herd immunity is when 80% of the population (give or take) is immune. Even if 20% are too high risk to go to crowded parks and other outdoor events the fact that 80% are going benefits them by tamping down on the spread of this thing.
Social distancing has been proven to be effective (3 feet gives you the benefit, 6 feet is excessive). But even more making sure no one goes out into public that has a fever (take temperatures at the door) or symptoms is a very effective method at reducing the viral load with which you are first exposed and that is a very critical factor in determining how sick you get.
use therapeutics. HCQ has been proven effective in Africa, and Ivermectin has been proven effective in India, and oxygen is extremely helpful for those who are very sick.
Now if you are doing all these things by all means develop an effective vaccine that has been tested for 12 years and shown to be both safe and effective. Make sure your data collection and analysis is transparent so that the whole world can see and trust it. Do not do stupid things that undermine trust by censoring any questions, saying that questioning the person pushing this is to "question science", mandate an experimental vaccine, change the definition of a vaccine, coerce people to get the vaccine with free french fries or threaten to fire them if they don't get it, set up quarantine camps and a whole host of other tyrannical moves, and call on the military to give the vaccine by force. Basic science. Logical really.
What a foolish thing to say. Anyone can look at the world health statistics and determine which countries are doing the best to deal with Covid.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
For example let's compare deaths per million Europe which has a very high vaccination rate with Africa which has a 2% vaccination rate.
Europe
Netherlands 1,136
Germany 1,223
Austria 1,398
Greece 1,770
France 1,822
Spain 1,884
UK 2,124
Italy 2,221
Bulgaria 4,169
Hungary 3,649
compare this with Africa
Botswana 1,000
South Africa 1,489
Niger 10
Chad 11
South Sudan 12
Tanzania 12
Nigeria 14
Ivory Coast 26
Ghana 38
Ethiopia 57
Look at the Data and now you know why they have to punish Africa.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
For example let's compare deaths per million Europe which has a very high vaccination rate with Africa which has a 2% vaccination rate.
Europe
Netherlands 1,136
Germany 1,223
Austria 1,398
Greece 1,770
France 1,822
Spain 1,884
UK 2,124
Italy 2,221
Bulgaria 4,169
Hungary 3,649
compare this with Africa
Botswana 1,000
South Africa 1,489
Niger 10
Chad 11
South Sudan 12
Tanzania 12
Nigeria 14
Ivory Coast 26
Ghana 38
Ethiopia 57
Look at the Data and now you know why they have to punish Africa.
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I strictly only talked about natural immunity not how to handle the pandemic. If that was the question, I missed it as I was defending natural immunity.
Vaccines are good for the at risk population otherwise natural immunity for kids and young adults is just as safe.
Australia that is funny. Wasn't it a few months ago y'all were in a prison like status due to Covid? I heard you couldn't even go outside.
Vaccines are good for the at risk population otherwise natural immunity for kids and young adults is just as safe.
Australia that is funny. Wasn't it a few months ago y'all were in a prison like status due to Covid? I heard you couldn't even go outside.
You should take your own advice. Your some of your information is not supported by facts.
Invermectin is harmless but useless. HCQ may be harmful. I was given it while in the Navy. It made me sleepy and my job involved 8,000 volt DC systems. I preferred to risk Malaria.
Do you think hospitals don't use oxygen? They do, as long as they can get it. A lot of 3rd world countries are not so fortunate.
Social distancing is fine if people will comply. That's the rub, some people just won't. It takes one infected person to create havoc in areas that have low vax levels. Australia has the Omicron variant even though very few people come into the country without being fully vaccinated or going into isolation.
UPDATE 11 August 2020: National Taskforce strengthens recommendation against use of hydroxychloroquine
"Following a review of available scientific and clinical data, the National COVID-19 Clinical Evidence Taskforce have strengthened their recommendation against the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19. The taskforce notes that based on available evidence "hydroxychloroquine is potentially harmful and no more effective than standard care in treating patients with COVID-19. We therefore recommend that hydroxychloroquine should not be used."
I don't agree with mandates. I do agree with quarantine. It's two weeks at most. I don't agree with closing borders with no notice either. As far as I'm concerned, the vaccine is a non-issue. The real problem governments eroding civil liberties in response to COVID. And people responding violently to restrictions just give ammunition to governments to crack down harder.
Invermectin is harmless but useless. HCQ may be harmful. I was given it while in the Navy. It made me sleepy and my job involved 8,000 volt DC systems. I preferred to risk Malaria.
Do you think hospitals don't use oxygen? They do, as long as they can get it. A lot of 3rd world countries are not so fortunate.
Social distancing is fine if people will comply. That's the rub, some people just won't. It takes one infected person to create havoc in areas that have low vax levels. Australia has the Omicron variant even though very few people come into the country without being fully vaccinated or going into isolation.
UPDATE 11 August 2020: National Taskforce strengthens recommendation against use of hydroxychloroquine
"Following a review of available scientific and clinical data, the National COVID-19 Clinical Evidence Taskforce have strengthened their recommendation against the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19. The taskforce notes that based on available evidence "hydroxychloroquine is potentially harmful and no more effective than standard care in treating patients with COVID-19. We therefore recommend that hydroxychloroquine should not be used."
I don't agree with mandates. I do agree with quarantine. It's two weeks at most. I don't agree with closing borders with no notice either. As far as I'm concerned, the vaccine is a non-issue. The real problem governments eroding civil liberties in response to COVID. And people responding violently to restrictions just give ammunition to governments to crack down harder.
You can have your own opinion, not your own facts. The only explanation for India and Africa not being hit much harder is that Ivermectin and HCQ are very effective.
Well I prefer to risk Covid. Maybe you should take your own advice.
No, of course not, I am not simply pulling these things up out of my rear end like the left does. India didn't have enough oxygen which is why they went to Ivermectin. NY Governor Cuomo would not allow them to use oxygen and forced people onto ventilators which had a mortality rate of 90%. It has nothing to do with what I think, it is what the facts were. Also, everyone should know that it is simple to make oxygen from water, all you need is electricity. The idea that NY was worried about a shortage of oxygen only works for the naive and ignorant.
Once again, you have the right to your own opinions, not to your own facts. Africa has 2% vaccination rate. Look at the data, they are doing much better than Europe or the US. Taiwan has used taking temperatures at the door of businesses very effectively. This is a simple and inexpensive solution, far cheaper for businesses than being shut down. The most important things you can do are easy to enforce, temperature at the door, people with symptoms stay home from work, and you use sneeze guards for cashiers, bus drivers, etc.
Which is why they are punishing Africa. Africa is exposing their lies about HCQ. No one is allowed to contradict the narrative that the vaccine is essential, if you do you will be punished.
Well I prefer to risk Covid. Maybe you should take your own advice.
No, of course not, I am not simply pulling these things up out of my rear end like the left does. India didn't have enough oxygen which is why they went to Ivermectin. NY Governor Cuomo would not allow them to use oxygen and forced people onto ventilators which had a mortality rate of 90%. It has nothing to do with what I think, it is what the facts were. Also, everyone should know that it is simple to make oxygen from water, all you need is electricity. The idea that NY was worried about a shortage of oxygen only works for the naive and ignorant.
Once again, you have the right to your own opinions, not to your own facts. Africa has 2% vaccination rate. Look at the data, they are doing much better than Europe or the US. Taiwan has used taking temperatures at the door of businesses very effectively. This is a simple and inexpensive solution, far cheaper for businesses than being shut down. The most important things you can do are easy to enforce, temperature at the door, people with symptoms stay home from work, and you use sneeze guards for cashiers, bus drivers, etc.
Which is why they are punishing Africa. Africa is exposing their lies about HCQ. No one is allowed to contradict the narrative that the vaccine is essential, if you do you will be punished.